Federal ban on gay men's blood donation to be reconsidered

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jillio said:
With the testing procedures in place today, there is no need to refuse to accept blood from any special population.:roll:

Well, accepting blood from a known drug-addict would be wasting money on screening tests.

But homosexuals? With anal sex being incorporated in so many heterosexuals' lifestyle, it just seems silly to ban everyone who admitted to being sexually-active in that realm; the donator pool is already so narrow.
 
did you even read the link? Yiz's concern IS exaggerated. It's as if ya'all are treating it as cootie and can get infected from saliva


Care to show me where I even hinted at believing that??? Now you are just making stuff up.
 
Even taking into account that 75% of HIV infected men who have sex with men already know they are HIV positive and would be unlikely to donate blood, the HIV prevalence in potential donors with history of male sex with males is 200 times higher than first time blood donors and 2000 times higher than repeat blood donors.

Men who have had sex with men account for the largest single group of blood donors who are found HIV positive by blood donor testing.

Blood donor testing using current advanced technologies has greatly reduced the risk of HIV transmission but cannot yet detect all infected donors or prevent all transmission by transfusions. While today's highly sensitive tests fail to detect less than one in a million HIV infected donors, it is important to remember that in the US there are over 20 million transfusions of blood, red cell concentrates, plasma or platelets every year. Therefore, even a failure rate of 1 in a million can be significant if there is an increased risk of undetected HIV in the blood donor population.

Blood Donations from Men Who Have Sex with Other Men Questions and Answers
 
With the testing procedures in place today, there is no need to refuse to accept blood from any special population.:roll:

You know, I suspected the law was founded in homophobia, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but now it sounds like it really just is founded in homophobia. I know in the 80's AIDS (or then "GRID") was considered the gay disease (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) but now that we know better there's no absolutely no reason for that ban to stay in place.
 
That's what I tell them, but someone comes along and draws out a "HUMAN ERROR - Mistake" argument card on me. :roll:

Well, if that's the argument, then we better stop taking blood from anyone.:giggle: That mistake could as easily occur in a heterosexual who is HIV positive. Probably even more readily, since it would appear that no one even suspects the heterosexual as a carrier.:lol:

Homophobia is an isidious disorder.:D
 

Hmm... I'm all for statistics.

Let's see...a failure rate of 1 in a million per 20 million transfusions (per year)... so a probability of 20 people infected per year (at the most).

That's with gay men. Let's be realistic. Gay men ARE the largest contributor for HIV in the donor pool.

The question is... if you take away ALL the gay men, is there enough blood to go around?

What is the probability of someone dying from HIV from a blood transfusion vs the probability of someone dying because there wasn't enough blood? That should be the real statistical question.
 
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Well, accepting blood from a known drug-addict would be wasting money on screening tests.

But homosexuals? With anal sex being incorporated in so many heterosexuals' lifestyle, it just seems silly to ban everyone who admitted to being sexually-active in that realm; the donator pool is already so narrow.

How does one know that the person is a drug addict unless that person has disclosed such?

And the only population of drug addicts that are at increased risk is the IV drug users. That is a minority of the population of drug addicts.
 
Hmm... I'm all for statistics.

Let's see...a failure rate of 1 in a million per 20 million transfusions (per year)... so a probability of 20 people infected per year (at the most).

That's with gay men.

The question is... if you take away ALL the gay men, is there enough blood to go around?

What is the probability of someone dying from HIV from a blood transfusion vs the probability of someone dying because there wasn't enough blood? That should be the real statistical question.

Another excellent point. If you ban MSM, then you are barring a lot of potential donors from being able to donate.
 
You know, I suspected the law was founded in homophobia, but I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but now it sounds like it really just is founded in homophobia. I know in the 80's AIDS (or then "GRID") was considered the gay disease (Gay-Related Immune Deficiency) but now that we know better there's no absolutely no reason for that ban to stay in place.

Homophobia and a gross misunderstanding of the HIV virus and the risk of exposure. Not to mention the population that carries the HIV virus.
 
How does one know that the person is a drug addict unless that person has disclosed such?

And the only population of drug addicts that are at increased risk is the IV drug users. That is a minority of the population of drug addicts.

How do we know if someone has had sex with another man? Don't they rely on self-disclosure?
 
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Well, accepting blood from a known drug-addict would be wasting money on screening tests.

But homosexuals? With anal sex being incorporated in so many heterosexuals' lifestyle, it just seems silly to ban everyone who admitted to being sexually-active in that realm; the donator pool is already so narrow.

How does one know that the person is a drug addict unless that person has disclosed such?

And the only population of drug addicts that are at increased risk is the IV drug users. That is a minority of the population of drug addicts.

Hence I chose the word "known."

But I do agree with you. Banning marijuana users and such from donating is not the way to go.
 
It's funny how some people are terrified of HIV when in reality, the risk of getting HIV is actually REALLY difficult, even while doing unsafe sex. The odds of getting it is at most 2 out of 1,000 times during unsafe anal sex - the most risky sex act. Odds of getting it from oral sex is 1 out of 10,000. It's not that easy to catch.

I have shared drinks or food with HIV+ friends and I don't think about it. I get tested once a year and it's still negative. I had gay friends who are negative and they worry about getting it from salsa despite the fact that there's no document of a person getting it from food! I laughed when they tell me about their dates with POZ guys and how they try to avoid touching them or not eating where they ate. Even gays can be stupid. :)

The odds of getting infected with blood transfusion is 90% - it's the MOST efficient way to transmit HIV. The 10% who didn't get infected probably have natural immunity to it.

I firmly believe that the reason for high HIV rate in Africa is malnutrition (so many of them have open sores) and genetics that make them vulnerable to HIV infection. The fact that half of HIV cases here is black shows that it's likely genetic.

While HIV is more manageable than ever, it's life changing and it is always a big deal. You have to deal with toxic side effects of medications. In fact, nowadays, most HIV+ people die from toxic side effects of HIV meds than AIDS. AIDS is becoming rare nowadays. The lifespan is about 10 years shorter than the average lifespan.

Anyway, the ban should stay here because of the window period where HIV cannot be detected but gays are also more likely to be infected with other viral infections such as HPV and some strains of hepatitis that won't be detected through blood tests because of their perceived low risk. Because gays are often networked with the same gays across the nation, it makes them more likely to get infected along. The tighter the network, the more risk they face.

So, yes, if I were given a choice to pick blood from Salt Lake City and DC, I'd pick SLC as statistics would show that SLC is less likely to have infections than people in DC. I'd even rather have blood from the whites than from the blacks because statistics consistently show that blacks have high rate of STD's, as much as 4 times more than whites. That's reality. It's sad that people make it a race issue because they are ignoring the REAL risks.
 
How do we know if someone has had sex with another man? Don't they rely on self-disclosure?

Yep. Which is what makes a ban like this so absurd to begin with. The only people it affects are those that have the courage to be honest.

It does nothing more than provide a sense of false security to the homophobes. Think of the number of people who do donate who do not disclose their orientation, or those that consider themselves to be hetereosexual but have still increased their risk with homosexual encounters. That number alone is astounding.
 
Hmm... I'm all for statistics.

Let's see...a failure rate of 1 in a million per 20 million transfusions (per year)... so a probability of 20 people infected per year (at the most).

That's with gay men. Let's be realistic. Gay men ARE the largest contributor for HIV in the donor pool.

The question is... if you take away ALL the gay men, is there enough blood to go around?

What is the probability of someone dying from HIV from a blood transfusion vs the probability of someone dying because there wasn't enough blood? That should be the real statistical question.
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Yep. Which is what makes a ban like this so absurd to begin with. The only people it affects are those that have the courage to be honest.

It does nothing more than provide a sense of false security to the homophobes. Think of the number of people who do donate who do not disclose their orientation, or those that consider themselves to be hetereosexual but have still increased their risk with homosexual encounters. That number alone is astounding.

:gpost::gpost:
 
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