Google quits censoring search in China

Foxrac

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Joined
Mar 23, 2005
Messages
44,397
Reaction score
448
(CNN) -- Google on Monday announced it has stopped censoring search results in China.

The announcement came amid speculation that the search giant would pull out of China entirely and sets up a showdown with the Communist leadership there.

In a 3:03 p.m. ET post on its official blog, Google said it stopped running the censored Google.cn service on Monday and was routing its Chinese users to an uncensored version of Google based in Hong Kong.

"We want as many people in the world as possible to have access to our services, including users in mainland China, yet the Chinese government has been crystal clear throughout our discussions that self-censorship is a non-negotiable legal requirement," said Senior Vice President David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer, on the blog.

Google hopes the move "will meaningfully increase access to information for people in China," Drummond wrote.

"We very much hope that the Chinese government respects our decision, though we are well aware that it could at any time block access to our services," he added.

Google said it would be carefully monitoring to see if access to the site is blocked in mainland China.

Early reports from China on Monday suggested that the Chinese government was already restricting access to Google's Hong Kong-based site, said Eddan Katz, International Affairs Director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

"We've already heard indications that visitors to Google.hk are getting 'can't find page' errors," he said.

The company on Monday also launched a dashboard page, which it promises to update regularly each day, that will show which Google services are available in China. According to the page, YouTube, Google Sites and Google's Blogger apps were blocked Monday afternoon.

Observers said Google's actions amounts to a de facto withdrawal from China by putting the ball in the court of a Chinese regime that virtually everyone expects will begin censoring search results on the site.

Ron Diebert, director of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto, which studies the intersection of digital policy and human rights, said Google's move didn't come as a surprise.

"It's become unsustainable for Google to operate in this environment," he said. "They've made a decision that the risks are too great for them, so they're going to pull out."

Google launched Google.cn, its China effort, in 2006 amid complaints that its devotion to Web freedom was being subverted by a willingness to comply with Chinese censorship in return for access to a huge potential customer base.

The company, whose slogan is "don't be evil," countered that by operating in limited form, it gave Chinese users more information than than they would have had otherwise. Google also hoped its presence would speed a move toward online freedom in China.

In January, Google announced that the company and at least 20 others were victims of a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" originating in China in mid-December, evidently to gain access to the e-mail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

The company said the attacker or attackers gained access to the header -- or subject-line information -- from the e-mails of two human rights activists through the Google network.

As a result, the company said, it was no longer willing to abide by the filters that the Chinese government demanded on certain searches before allowing Google to operate in the country.

For a brief time afterward, Google.cn was retrieving results for sensitive topics including the 1989 crackdown at Tiananmen Square, the Dalai Lama and the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement. But about a day later, search results appeared to return to normal.

Advocates of Internet freedoms cheered Google's move Monday.

"It demonstrates that a company like Google, with the business stakes in a market as large as China, can make the decision that free and open Internet is a better business alternative and a better ethical choice for its users," said Katz of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which promotes free speech online.

Internet users naturally gravitate toward sites that offer unrestricted access to information, he said. "This is an example of how the genie can't be put back in the bottle."

Diebert, who co-founded the OpenNet Initiative, said China's next move may not be to just block access to Google but to go a step further: blocking all outside search engines from accessing Web information in China.

"If such a radical measure happens, that would have major implications for cyberspace as a whole," he said. "It would point to a more regionalized Internet" and perhaps embolden countries like Iran to follow suit, Diebert said.

Google.cn is the preferred search tool for about 13 percent of Chinese Web users, according to a state-sponsored survey. Baidu.com, a government-friendly Chinese search engine, dominates the market in mainland China with about 77 percent of users, the survey said.

Google's announcement had been widely anticipated. Internet companies operating in China face a March 31 deadline to renew licenses to operate in the country, according to the Beijing Communications Administration.

The blog post by Drummond said Google plans to continue research and development work in China and to maintain a limited sales presence there.

In an apparent attempt to deflect blame for the decision from Google employees still living in China, the post specified that the decision was made by Google's top brass in the United States.

"Despite all the uncertainty and difficulties they have faced since we made our announcement in January, [Google's China employees] have continued to focus on serving our Chinese users and customers," the blog said. "We are immensely proud of them."

Google quits censoring search in China - CNN.com
 
Hello China, please remove your damn censor law and let Chinese to browse so freely and time for reform to expands the democracy in mainland China.
 
Hello China, please remove your damn censor law and let Chinese to browse so freely and time for reform to expands the democracy in mainland China.

You know how moronic that sound?

Why do corrupted officials want to give up their seats?
 
You know how moronic that sound?

Why do corrupted officials want to give up their seats?

How does it is moronic? I have no idea about what are you talikng? You means my post or China?

I'm speaking my opinion against China and doesn't agree with their existing government system, however China is emerge and more important in future due rapidly growth in economy so they can change it.
 
You know how moronic that sound?

Why do corrupted officials want to give up their seats?

Exactly, just look at what they did to the people on the square years ago.

If they want change and democracy, they are gonna have to take matters into their own hands and if necessary, by force.

It worked here in the US when we got into the British's face and told them to shove it where the sun don't shine. :lol:

Yiz
 
Exactly, just look at what they did to the people on the square years ago.

If they want change and democracy, they are gonna have to take matters into their own hands and if necessary, by force.

It worked here in the US when we got into the British's face and told them to shove it where the sun don't shine. :lol:

Yiz

Well, a peaceful democratization can occur. Look at the USSR.

How does it is moronic? I have no idea about what are you talikng? You means my post or China?

I'm speaking my opinion against China and doesn't agree with their existing government system, however China is emerge and more important in future due rapidly growth in economy so they can change it.

i doubt anything is going to change unless they're on the verge of going bankrupt... then maybe we will see a Chinese version of Gorrbachev or Tito.
 
Exactly, just look at what they did to the people on the square years ago.

If they want change and democracy, they are gonna have to take matters into their own hands and if necessary, by force.

It worked here in the US when we got into the British's face and told them to shove it where the sun don't shine. :lol:

Yiz

Oh really but Russia got out of communist without revolution.
 
I wonder why they don't have their own websearch since they worry about censorship so much.
 
Oh really but Russia got out of communist without revolution.

Unfortunately, I'm reading reports that shows differently. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses who was holding a Assembly Meeting which is done yearly that various congregations come together and hold talks and a communion was interrupted by the Russian Police Force that they're breaking the law simply because the Government is refusing to recognize the JWs as a religion. The government issued a decree that the JWs is a fringe cult group and their religion will not be honored. So they forced them out of the building and was told to disperse and go home or face arrest.

So much for a change for democracy where religious rights is only at a "exception" to certain groups favored by the Russian Government.

Here's a video of this happening..........

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8BtGY51o2w]YouTube - Russia Jehovah's Witnesses Stavropol Convention Disrupted and Canceled[/ame]

I may not agree with the JW religion myself, but to deny the right of Religion Freedom to certain groups that they dislike leads to discrimination. So who else is gonna be targeted?

Yiz
 
Unfortunately, I'm reading reports that shows differently. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses who was holding a Assembly Meeting which is done yearly that various congregations come together and hold talks and a communion was interrupted by the Russian Police Force that they're breaking the law simply because the Government is refusing to recognize the JWs as a religion. The government issued a decree that the JWs is a fringe cult group and their religion will not be honored. So they forced them out of the building and was told to disperse and go home or face arrest.

So much for a change for democracy where religious rights is only at a "exception" to certain groups favored by the Russian Government.

Here's a video of this happening..........

YouTube - Russia Jehovah's Witnesses Stavropol Convention Disrupted and Canceled

I may not agree with the JW religion myself, but to deny the right of Religion Freedom to certain groups that they dislike leads to discrimination. So who else is gonna be targeted?

Yiz

jW has been oppressed in the same manner in the States a century ago... and numerous other democratic countries.
 
Unfortunately, I'm reading reports that shows differently. For example, Jehovah's Witnesses who was holding a Assembly Meeting which is done yearly that various congregations come together and hold talks and a communion was interrupted by the Russian Police Force that they're breaking the law simply because the Government is refusing to recognize the JWs as a religion. The government issued a decree that the JWs is a fringe cult group and their religion will not be honored. So they forced them out of the building and was told to disperse and go home or face arrest.

So much for a change for democracy where religious rights is only at a "exception" to certain groups favored by the Russian Government.

Here's a video of this happening..........

YouTube - Russia Jehovah's Witnesses Stavropol Convention Disrupted and Canceled

I may not agree with the JW religion myself, but to deny the right of Religion Freedom to certain groups that they dislike leads to discrimination. So who else is gonna be targeted?

Yiz

At least, Russia today is more freedom than during USSR time but their government is corrupted, of course so you would say same thing for US and UK.
 
At least, Russia today is more freedom than during USSR time but their government is corrupted, of course so you would say same thing for US and UK.

Yeah, like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Yiz
 
Yeah, like Ruby Ridge and Waco.

Yiz

They're wackos. They don't respect our laws so they get what they deserved.

But seriously, we have more freedom than ever. In the good old days, as recent as 1950's, we were taxed to death, literally... as much as 95%. We liked to treat blacks as a separate species. We didn't believe they deserve the equal treatment. We believed women are inferior and not fit for some positions. We had no regulations on pollution so we polluted a lot. We had children working for us. Our lifespan was shorter by a decade. Our freedom of speech was strongly regulated - in fact, a lot were not allowed. Our religious freedom wasn't great either - we were constantly discriminated based on religion.

Should I go on about our good old days?
 
So they're leaking an uncensored version to look at expict material? Uh oh!
 
I think we should start being very nice to China....

Panda Express Rocks!
 
I think we should start being very nice to China....

Panda Express Rocks!

Republic of China...
flag1.jpg
 
The gov't of China, not chinese.

oh they do. all countries do... hence the domain address prefix like www.stuff.cn, .kr (korea), .ru (russia), etc.

Point is - google is providing service that links the "Chinese Internet" to the world. The Chinese government demanded google to filter out a certain information such as Tiananmen Square.

This news - google is announcing that it cannot do that so it's relocating its service to Hong Kong.
 
ah, I see. well, they certainly not Google's gov't. But they can ban it. It's too bad. Hong Kong would be a good place, people in China can always go to Hong Kong to google, right?
 
Back
Top