Proposal for Audism policy to be placed in the guidelines

[Lighthouse77]

Big time definitely.

people like them can't understand that it is alright to learn ASL only.

Now avoid teaching them how to read and write, then I can understand why they could call these parents lazy or abusive.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I have a question.

Does it considered or counted as an audist attitude when Audists see other parents or anyone decide not to place their kids into the oral program, or spoken language, or speech therapy and considered that the parents are so lazy?

Audism is attitude.

Oppression is behaviour.

Always remember that audism is attitude & thoughts of the person.

Audism is both intentional and unintentional.

An example of audism would be a supervisor interviewing candidates for the job position. A Deaf person has had extensive knowledge of the machinery/job; working for the company for a long time. A hearing person knows nothing about the machinery/job and has only been with the company for a minimal amount of the time.

The supervisor hires the hearing person claiming the Deaf person doesn't know the job well enough based on his Deafness. He feels training the hearing person will be easier based on communication. This is audism.

Another example of audism is when a parent who has exposed their child to all aspects of communication and still doubts bilingualism; that is audism. Downplaying ASL, encouraging the important aspects of AVT and oralism.
This parent recruits opinions from almost everywhere yet still doubts the importance of ASL hand in hand with bilingualism. This is audism.

A Deaf person doubts another Deaf person's education in Gallaudet; stating Gallaudet is only good for partying, drinking and socialising. The Gallaudet graduate claims she has a B.A in education, the doubter states he has learned from rumours that the Gallaudet B.A is like another high school degree. This is audism.

Audism comes from both the hearing and Deaf perspectives.

 

[Tousi]

And FF, here is an extreme example of deaf to deaf audism (supposedly): Nyah, nyah "I hear and talk better than you! And furthermore, when you were born, you were so ugly, the doctor slapped your Mother.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

And FF, here is an extreme example of deaf to deaf audism (supposedly): Nyah, nyah "I hear and talk better than you! And furthermore, you were born, you were so ugly, the doctor slapped your Mother.

2C!! Thanks for inserting humour into this.

That's the extreme Deaf to Deaf audism.

Sadly it exists.

I go through this as a DeafBlind person.

The Deaf Community I grew up with ends up doing this to me and they don't realise it until I make them aware & ask them why they do this to me.

Some of them stop but the majority continues to do so. It's the Darwin theory - survival of the fittest however it's also audism.

 

[shel90]

Audism is attitude.

Oppression is behaviour.

Always remember that audism is attitude & thoughts of the person.

Audism is both intentional and unintentional.

An example of audism would be a supervisor interviewing candidates for the job position. A Deaf person has had extensive knowledge of the machinery/job; working for the company for a long time. A hearing person knows nothing about the machinery/job and has only been with the company for a minimal amount of the time.

The supervisor hires the hearing person claiming the Deaf person doesn't know the job well enough based on his Deafness. He feels training the hearing person will be easier based on communication. This is audism.

Another example of audism is when a parent who has exposed their child to all aspects of communication and still doubts bilingualism; that is audism. Downplaying ASL, encouraging the important aspects of AVT and oralism.
This parent recruits opinions from almost everywhere yet still doubts the importance of ASL hand in hand with bilingualism. This is audism.

A Deaf person doubts another Deaf person's education in Gallaudet; stating Gallaudet is only good for partying, drinking and socialising. The Gallaudet graduate claims she has a B.A in education, the doubter states he has learned from rumours that the Gallaudet B.A is like another high school degree. This is audism.

Audism comes from both the hearing and Deaf perspectives.

Other examples of Audism would be telling teachers to use speech while teaching in a BiBi program, that having speaking skills open up more opportunities, and hearing is a gift.

 

[shel90]

And FF, here is an extreme example of deaf to deaf audism (supposedly): Nyah, nyah "I hear and talk better than you! And furthermore, you were born, you were so ugly, the doctor slapped your Mother.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Other examples of Audism would be telling teachers to use speech while teaching in a BiBi program, that having speaking skills open up more opportunities, and hearing is a gift.

Enhancing AVT while downplaying ASL for the Bi-Bi ; the purpose of Bi-Bi is to focus on ASL development.

Bi-Bi is to develop individual students prior ASL skills while enhancing their knowledge of Deaf Culture.

Ernest C Drury School in Milton, ON is the prime example of the Bi-Bi setting. Deaf children use ASL and they are fluent ASL signers; they learn Deaf Studies, ASL syntax and semantics. The older students learn linguistics and Deaf history issues.

Oh it is a fantastic school.

 

[Frisky Feline]

And FF, here is an extreme example of deaf to deaf audism (supposedly): Nyah, nyah "I hear and talk better than you! And furthermore, you were born, you were so ugly, the doctor slapped your Mother.

yeah that's totally sad. I know a few deaf "almost" audists because they were raising by HEARING people. If they were raising by DEAF people then they would not be deaf audists. bite my butt.

 

[Lighthouse77]

hearing is a gift.

hmmm, what is opposite of gift? So majority of people have a gift of hearing. I think a gift would be something that is rare.

 

[shel90]

hmmm, what is opposite of gift? So majority of people have a gift of hearing. I think a gift would be something that is rare.

Agreed so if deafness is rare..then deafnes is a gift!

Just kidding.

 

[deafskeptic]

I'm sick of excuses that you need hear and speak so you can communicate with extended family. I can understand you'll need speech skills around strangers and some cases in workplaces -- like becoming a nurse because you want to help people no matter what their background is-- but not family.

One thing that ticks me is when people tell my dad when I go places with him that I have good speech and when I go home, he goes on and on about how my mother worked hard to make sure I have good speech and I feel like screaming at him "ENOUGH ALREADY!" and when I point out to him other parents have worked hard with thier children and yet they didn't pick up speech. He's like they didn't work as hard as my mother and I point out I had enough undistorted hearing that I was able to pick up speech, he goes on to tell me how grateful I should be.

As far as I'm concerned any obbession with good speech is audism - especially with a lack of concern over if I can understand others around me.

 

[Lissa]

Would you consider CI users who wish to hear and believe they are better than those who do not have a CI "Audists"? I am just trying to understand your thoughts on who you think are "Audists"

 

[shel90]

One thing that ticks me is when people tell my dad when I go places with him that I have good speech and when I go home, he goes on and on about how my mother worked hard to make sure I have good speech and I feel like screaming at him "ENOUGH ALREADY!" and when I point out to him other parents have worked hard with thier children and yet they didn't pick up speech. He's like they didn't work as hard as my mother and I point out I had enough undistorted hearing that I was able to pick up speech, he goes on to tell me how grateful I should be.

As far as I'm concerned any obbession with good speech is audism - especially with a lack of concern over if I can understand others around me.

I totally agree..I have met parents who have been so obsessed with their deaf children developing good speech that they forget the most important thing...the child's self-esteem.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

I can understand Shel's POV.

Some "Deaf" people here tout their ability to hear to the point where they brag about it. They will go off the deep end to claim they were so happy they did not lose a lot of their hearing to the point to be classified as "Deaf".

This rubs me off the wrong end. The haughty attitude they carry around thinking their life is much more complete than ours; they view our Deaf-World as incomplete because we don't have what? Hearing. I do not view hearing as a gift. I actually view it as a nuisance. I grew up hating my hearing aids. Such nuisances would annoy my ears, give me chronic ear wax, worsen my tinnitus and my headaches would worsen; they all came from the nuisances called hearing aids.

The hearing aids are supposed to aid you to hear.

For me, I am so blessed in my silent world. I don't need to hear gossip although I may partake a bit of that with my eyes and hands! LOL! I don't need to hear immature retorts from young people however I do see those cute kids mimicking a fat person with their overextended arms and their legs taking gigantic steps. This I giggle and their parents shooing at them, I always tell the parents "NO NO NO.. I loved the show!!"

You see where other people's attitude can affect the community - intentional or unintentional.

This community is accessed with a handlename and a password. We need to implement this guideline to remind them that you are entering our intimate community to be a part of us; not to mock us.

 

[shel90]

Would you consider CI users who wish to hear and believe they are better than those who do not have a CI "Audists"? I am just trying to understand your thoughts on who you think are "Audists"

Any attitude that sees oneself as better than someone because they can hear whether it is a deaf person with a CI or a hearing person, is audist.

 

[Lissa]

Any attitude that sees oneself as better than someone because they can hear whether it is a deaf person with a CI or a hearing person, is audist.

Thanks for clearing that up for me

 

[Tousi]

Well, beneficial hearing is a gift but I do not tell anyone that as it is pretty obvious to my friends when they ask for help. Notice I said "when they ask for help"; I know better than to offer it or "take over" in situations. I don't dare. I think I did when I was young and didn't know any better; yet, strangely, I also didn't get flack from it so I guess I wasn't too overbearing.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Would you consider CI users who wish to hear and believe they are better than those who do not have a CI "Audists"? I am just trying to understand your thoughts on who you think are "Audists"

I have always believed accessibility is a must for everyone.

CI is accessibility.

CI allows you to hear & communicate.

Your CI has not made you an audist because you do not tout you are better than us. You are genuine in your interest to learn ASL.

You request several times in open forum and in PMs ; asking for transcripts for the videos so you can be involved in this community.

You educate other members about the CI and you educate those who asks for information about the CI.

This I appreciate about the CI users in our AD community.

Those who do not have a CI actually have the b@lls to posts threads asking us if we treasure our hearing, wondering if we preserve our hearing.. this is going against the grain of what our community is.

This is what an Audist is. Hope this clarifies your question.

You are not an audist- way far from it.

 

[Lighthouse77]

when people tell my dad when I go places with him that I have good speech

people sure do have this obsession with good speech when you are deaf. It's tiring as I hear it ALL the time. At first, they thought I was from a foriegn country because I have an accent and wanted to know where I'm from. I tell them I'm from here and I'm deaf. It's fine that they tell I have good speech because they feel bad about commenting my accent in the first place. But there other times they didn't say anything about my accent. They didn't even know I was deaf and as soon as I tell them, they tell me I have good speech or I speak very well . I know they are just impress that a deaf person can speak because other times, people make me repeat because they couldn't understand what I was saying. people told me I talk funny too.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Well, beneficial hearing is a gift but I do not tell anyone that as it is pretty obvious to my friends when they ask for help. Notice I said "when they ask for help"; I know better than to offer it or "take over" in situations. I don't dare. I think I did when I was young and didn't know any better; yet, strangely, I also didn't get flack from it so I guess I wasn't too overbearing.

Good post Uncle!!

Just like Auntie... you just know!