Is Justified Violence Against Women OK?

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Violence against women is justified, says pupil study
A study of schoolchildren has found that most of those questioned thought violence towards women was acceptable if there was a reason behind it.

The majority of the pupils said it was justified if the woman had an affair, or if she was late in making the tea.

The study by a researcher from Edinburgh Napier University also suggested that girls expect to curtail ambitions once they are married.

The research involved 89 primary seven children at five Glasgow primaries.

The 11 and 12-year-olds were questioned in depth about their attitudes and aspirations towards gender roles and behaviour.

They were asked to consider whether or not a man was justified in punching his partner when he found out she had had an affair.

Nearly all of the children thought that the woman deserved to be hit.

In another scenario, about 80% of the children said a man had cause to slap his partner because she did not have the dinner ready on time.

Researcher Nancy Lombard described the findings as "worrying" because the youngsters had naturalised and normalised violent behaviour.

She said: "The children didn't agree with violence, but gave reasons to try to justify it if the woman had done something 'wrong'.

"The old saying of 'If he pulls your pigtails it means he likes you', translates into violence in adulthood which girls accept as normal."

Narrow expectations

The study also suggested that girls expected to modify their behaviour and narrow expectations once they were married and had children.

One of the girls said: "I want to be a dancer or a doctor."

But she added: "When I grow up I'm going to have two babies and work part-time in the shop down the road."

Ms Lombard said that sexual stereotypes were limiting and modifying girls' behaviour to accommodate boys and men.

She said: "All the girls said they don't get much of the playground because the boys dominate the space.

"They are still told they can't play football because they are a girl."

Ms Lombard called for work with children to start early to encourage respectful relationships, challenge violent behaviour and break down gender stereotypes.

The findings of the study will be presented at a conference in Glasgow on Wednesday which has been jointly organised between Scottish Women's Aid and Napier University.

Edinburgh Women's Aid spokeswoman Suzanne Moran called for more education on violence towards women: "These findings, in effect, reflect that these attitudes are still widely held in Scotland.

"Studies like these reveal that there is still much to be done to eradicate ingrained beliefs that women are to blame for violence perpetrated against them."
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I'm deeply deeply disturbed at how behavior is going nowadays. Whatever happened to old school way? I do not raise hand at any women for whatever the reason is (unless she is very physically violent).
 
Oh wow! That is alarming, how these children can justify and normalize violence.
 
Yep, that's just sad.

I was once punched,slapped and kicked by a female customer (she was nude too).....I still just walked away. She was nuts. No reason to lay hands one a women unless it is necessary to survive.
 
Seems to me we spend too much time and money discovering "What children's values are" and spend far too little time or money teaching them what good values are in the first place.
 
Berry said:
Seems to me we spend too much time and money discovering "What children's values are" and spend far too little time or money teaching them what good values are in the first place.
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Perhaps. But then how do we know what their values are now? Because of this - they now know what to focus on when teaching them the good values.
 
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wow... and I fuss at my son for thinking it is my job to clean...therefore I told him it is his job to clean up the dog poops since it is dirty outdoor work LOL (I usually do it) -- we were just joking with each other, but I did wonder where he got the idea, and asked him about it, and he told me that he read about the lions and how the female does all the work and the male lay around doing nothing.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
wow... and I fuss at my son for thinking it is my job to clean...therefore I told him it is his job to clean up the dog poops since it is dirty outdoor work LOL (I usually do it) -- we were just joking with each other, but I did wonder where he got the idea, and asked him about it, and he told me that he read about the lions and how the female does all the work and the male lay around doing nothing.
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I saw this sign in Ruidoso

When Indians ruled the land

There were no taxes, no congress and no red tape
The women did the cooking, cleaning and raised the kids.
The men went hunting and fishing all day

Then the white man came along and tried to improve that.
 
TXgolfer said:
Yep, that's just sad.

I was once punched,slapped and kicked by a female customer (she was nude too).....I still just walked away. She was nuts. No reason to lay hands one a women unless it is necessary to survive.
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I gotta ask... why was she nude in the first place? :)
 
netrox said:
I gotta ask... why was she nude in the first place? :)
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She was in the shower..... I was remodeling the kitchen and shut off the water.
She didn't bother to dry off or get dressed.:lol:
 
Jiro said:
Perhaps. But then how do we know what their values are now? Because of this - they now know what to focus on when teaching them the good values.
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Actually you will not know what their values are: You will only know what their values are in relation to the questions you ask. Correcting those specific values does little or nothing to correcting those values you did not ask about.

It might even have the opposite effect. Teaching that it is wrong to hit women may imply it is okay to hit men, even if they are weaker and less capable than yourself.

My mother taught me not to hurt anyone unless they were a clear and present danger that I could not escape.

Good values are good values. Teach them across the board not just to "correct" what is wrong. For one it never hurts to reinforce what is right.

In the U.S. we could start with the strange idea that the country was supposedly based on the right of people to differ in opinion, action, and ability without being coerced into conformity.
 
I've taught my boys that any woman is not meant to be beat on, no matter the situation.....a woman is meant to be loved.

But physical fighting isn't right, and to walk off immediately. But if it's a life or death issue, then that's different.

My boys do share the housework, it's mandatory.So is cooking occassionally. They know how to wash clothes, dishes, make their beds and vacuum, dust, etc. Hopefully, it will follow them thru their lives. It makes everyday living nicer, and we're able to do more things outside and go more places.
 
TXgolfer said:
Yep, that's just sad.

I was once punched,slapped and kicked by a female customer (she was nude too).....I still just walked away. She was nuts. No reason to lay hands one a women unless it is necessary to survive.
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Hmm. You shut the water off while she was showering? And then she went crazy mad at you? But you took the high road and just walked away... Good man Golfer... I think..:hmm:
 
yeah, what's she doing the shower in the first place know they are working in the kitchen. Shouldn't she be warned ahead of time that the water is going to be shut off? most people warn me ahead of time.
 
Jiro said:
Violence against women is justified, says pupil study


I'm deeply deeply disturbed at how behavior is going nowadays. Whatever happened to old school way? I do not raise hand at any women for whatever the reason is (unless she is very physically violent).
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I am too. As far as I'm concerned the only time you should ever raise a hand or a gun at anyone of any gender is if it's clear they're going to hurt or kill you.
 
Depends on what the definition of justified is. Based on the examples of having an affair or being late with the tea I would not say that is justified.
 
rockin'robin said:
I've taught my boys that any woman is not meant to be beat on, no matter the situation.....a woman is meant to be loved.

But physical fighting isn't right, and to walk off immediately. But if it's a life or death issue, then that's different.

My boys do share the housework, it's mandatory.So is cooking occassionally. They know how to wash clothes, dishes, make their beds and vacuum, dust, etc. Hopefully, it will follow them thru their lives. It makes everyday living nicer, and we're able to do more things outside and go more places.
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My mother taught me how to cook, make beds, do the housework -- And how to fight, with anything that came to hand -- And she was good at it.
 
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