Switzerland Defends Ban on Mosque Minarets

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So they don't mind if I say in my belief, Everyone is a sinner who need a Savior????

I think they are going to have a problem with that.
people know when to agree to disagree. You are a Christian and I'm a Buddhist. You believe in this stuff and I believe in that stuff and yet - we get along just fine. Same thing with Muslims :)

<---- Or what? is that a threat? As a christian, how can I support a religion who keep massacring Christians just because they happened to convert Muslims?
don't forget about Holy Crusaders. They massacred Muslims, Jews, and atheists as well. You know not all people who say "Allah Akbur" are terrorists. Respect their cultural/religious difference and they will respect yours in return.

There will obviously be a big problem if it turns into a pissing contest like "Jesus will kick your Allah ass!"
 
OK, but dont underestimate movies they DO influence people, and is influenced by what happens in real life. Sure its a fictional story, but hell even seen "Lord of War" (Nicolas Cage) that was seemingly absurd but it was true story by all accounts not a bit stretched. the whole point why i mentioned Traitor its gave what maybe be described as a fresh perspective looking in roles of religion in wars, especially between the western christianity world and the Arabic muslims world in conflict.

I've seen Lord of War too. another good action flick show too. the ending kinda surprised me. Again - I don't let those movies influence my perception. That's how paranoia and fear come about. The world's full of misunderstanding.

simple - go out and meet people. be multi-cultural and open-mind. that's the best way to understand life. :cool2:
 
Just let you know, I have never felt muslims = terrorists (in fact, I was against the war on Iraq) . but I do think killing because someone converted is ridiculous. People convert to different religions all the time here and I don't get mad at whoever converted them.
 
Just let you know, I have never felt all muslims = terrorists.
oh yes I know. don't worry :)

but I do think killing because someone converted is ridiculous. People convert to different religions all the time here and I don't get mad at whoever converted them.
I agree but it's what their culture and law says. Respect it and nobody will get hurt. I wish the missionaries would do same in other countries. It ain't so noble anymore if people get killed. I mean look at Darfur...
 
Just let you know, I have never felt muslims = terrorists (in fact, I was against the war on Iraq) . but I do think killing because someone converted is ridiculous. People convert to different religions all the time here and I don't get mad at whoever converted them.

Problem is, they do get mad.
 
Europe's press says Swiss ban sends wrong signal
European papers are dismayed by Switzerland's popular vote to ban the building of minarets. Some fear it will backfire, sending the wrong signal to the Muslim world and setting a precedent for other parts of Europe.

Several papers criticise the type of democracy practised in Switzerland, which allows ordinary people rather than elected representatives to decide on such matters. However, one popular Swiss tabloid defends the ban as a starting point for a debate on tolerance.

Thomas Kirchner in Germany's SUEDDEUTSCHE ZEITUNG

This referendum is a disaster for Switzerland. Such a ban on construction exists nowhere else in Europe. If those six words - 'the construction of minarets is forbidden' - are in the constitution in the future, they will violate... freedom of religion and the prohibition of discrimination. They also blatantly violate the European Convention of Human Rights.

Juergen Dunsch in Germany's FRANKFURTER ALLGEMEINE ZEITUNG

Ultra-democratic, cosmopolitan, tolerant: this is how the Swiss have always liked to see themselves. But, in voting to ban any further building of minarets, the country has now revealed other traits: traits that testify to bigotry, timorousness, and a wish to isolate themselves.

Mathieu von Rohr in Germany's SPEIGEL ONLINE

The ban will damage Switzerland's credibility as a mediator in the eyes of Muslim countries, whether it be as a diplomatic representative of the US in Iran or in the conflict between Armenia and Turkey. And finally it will cause massive damage to the relationship between the Swiss and the Muslims living in the country, promoting exactly that isolation from the rest of society which the initiative was supposedly intended to address.

Editorial in Denmark's POLITIKEN

The signal has been sent. There is now a European country which openly acknowledges that it does not tolerate the sight of the symbols of a major religion. The fact that the decision will benefit completely the wrong forces in both the Muslim minority in Europe and in the Muslim world is self-evident.

Editorial in Denmark's BERLINGSKE TIDENDE

The moment we resort to special bans on religious symbols - including the building of minarets - we have also lost our belief in our own cultural foundation... Self-respect is the first step on the path to mutual respect - religious bans, on the other hand, are the complete opposite: undemocratic, un-Christian and un-Danish.

Taha Akyol in Turkey's MILLIYET

This is a sign that when the masses become authoritarian, democracies too can easily become authoritarian.

Erdal Safak in Turkey's SABAH

Demands to build minarets have already been refused systematically. That's why only four of 200 [Swiss] mosques have minarets. Despite that, the two extreme rightist parties aimed to legalise the ban, which was actually being applied, by making it a matter of referendum. Their intention was to gather political credit through an enmity against Islam by exploiting the public fear. And they have succeeded.

Editorial in Spain's EL PAIS

The danger today is of allowing... legitimate public concern to be monopolised by populist or far-right parties. Their toxic language has little to do with integration and a lot to do with fear.

Michel Lepinay in France's PARIS-NORMANDIE

No-one today could guarantee that if asked the same question, the French would have rejected a planned ban on minarets. Who thinks the death penalty would have been abolished if the French had decided in a referendum? In our democracy, the people's elected representatives are there to take decisions on their behalf and to shoulder the unpopularity that may ensue.

Dominique Garraud in France's LA CHARENTE LIBRE

The lesson of the Swiss minarets vote is valid for all democracies: its absurdity shows the dangers of referendums known as 'popular initiatives', a blessing and a fearsome weapon for all extremists who know how to surf the irrational fears of public opinion.

Christoph Wehrli in Switzerland's NEUE ZUERCHER ZEITUNG

The minaret provided a symbol for the threatened state of our identity, and banning it sent a message about who is in charge. In that respect, the initiators managed to pull off a stroke of genius. 'If it makes no difference, it can do no harm,' many of those voting 'Yes' will have told themselves. However, some harm to the climate of coexistence and to Switzerland's already damaged reputation is inevitable.

Ralph Grosse-Bley in Switzerland's BLICK

Should we be ashamed of the 'Yes' vote for a ban on minarets? No, we are not ashamed! The 'Yes' vote was not a 'No' to freedom of religion, not a 'No' to making people feel welcome, and not a 'No' to people of Muslim faith. The decision is an exclamation mark that means: We have to talk! About the causes of the fear of Islamisation. About the fact that tolerance cannot be a one-way street.

BBC Monitoring selects and translates news from radio, television, press, news agencies and the internet from 150 countries in more than 70 languages. It is based in Caversham, UK, and has several bureaux abroad.

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BBC News - Europe's press says Swiss ban sends wrong signal

Swiss minaret ban 'security risk'
A decision by Swiss voters to ban the construction of minarets poses a risk to Switzerland's security, the country's foreign minister says.

Micheline Calmy-Rey said the Swiss government was "very concerned" about the ban, adopted by voters on Sunday.

"Each limitation on the co-existence of different cultures and religions also endangers our security," she told the European security body, the OSCE.

A top UN official has called the ban "clearly discriminatory".

Navi Pillay, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, said the ban was "deeply divisive" and at odds with Switzerland's international legal obligations.

'Extremism' risk

More than 57.5% of Swiss voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban on Sunday.

“ Provocation risks triggering other provocation and risks inflaming extremism ”
Micheline Calmy-Rey
The proposal had been put forward by the Swiss People's Party (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which said minarets were a sign of Islamisation.

Muslim leaders across the world, as well as those of other faiths, criticised the minaret ban as a blow to religious freedom.

But European right-wing groups welcomed the result, calling for other countries to take similar measures.

"Provocation risks triggering other provocation and risks inflaming extremism," Mrs Calmy-Rey said at the OSCE meeting in Athens.

Sunday's referendum has forced the government to declare illegal the building of any new minarets, but Mrs Calmy-Rey said Muslims could still build new mosques and continue to worship in the country.

"Swiss Muslims are well integrated and will continue to attend the 200 mosques in the country," she said.

She said if an appeal against the referendum was lodged at the European Court of Human Rights, it would be up to the court to decide on its legality.

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BBC News - Minaret ban 'a security risk' - Swiss minister

Published: 2009/12/01 15:32:32 GMT

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You know you messed up when the Catholics disapprove...

Leaders condemn Swiss minaret ban
Religious leaders across the world have criticised Switzerland's referendum vote to ban the building of minarets.

The Vatican joined Muslim figureheads from Indonesia and Egypt, as well as Switzerland, in denouncing the vote as a blow to religious freedom.

France's FM Bernard Kouchner expressed shock at the ban which, he said, showed "intolerance" and should be reversed.

But European right-wing groups welcomed the result, calling for other countries to take similar measures.

More than 57.5% of Swiss voters and 22 out of 26 cantons - or provinces - voted in favour of the ban on Sunday.

The proposal had been put forward by the Swiss People's Party (SVP), the largest party in parliament, which said minarets were a sign of Islamisation.

'Expression of intolerance'

The Vatican on Monday endorsed a statement by the conference of Swiss Bishops criticising the vote for heightening "the problems of cohabitation between religions and cultures".

Egypt's Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa described the ban as an insult to the feelings of the Muslim community in Switzerland and elsewhere.

“ Much of the concern is based on fear... There are only four minarets in Switzerland but there are widely-held concerns of society dividing into 'parallel communities'. ”
Gavin Hewitt
Sunday's surprise result also prompted dismay from secular leaders in Europe.

"I am a bit shocked by this decision," Mr Kouchner told France's RTL radio on Monday. "It is an expression of intolerance and I detest intolerance.

"I hope the Swiss will reverse this decision quickly."

But Marine Le Pen, the deputy-leader of France's far-right National Front, praised the outcome, and said France should now hold a wider referendum on multiculturalism.

"The elites should stop denying the hopes and fears of European peoples who, without opposing religious freedom, reject ostentatious symbols forced on them by politico-religious Muslim groups, often verging on provocation," she was quoted as saying by Agence France Presse.

In Belgium, Italy and the Netherlands, anti-immigrant movements called on their own governments to debate similar measures.

"What can be done in Switzerland, can be done here," said Geert Wilders, the head of the Freedom Party in the Netherlands.

Meanwhile Roberto Calderoli, a member of Italy's Northern League, which is part of the country's ruling coalition, said: "Switzerland is sending us a clear signal: yes to bell towers, no to minarets."

In recent years, countries across Europe have been debating how best to integrate Muslim populations.

France focused on the headscarf, while in Germany there was controversy over plans to build one of Europe's largest mosques.

Government ignored

The vote is very bad news for the Swiss government which fears unrest among the Muslim community, says the BBC's Imogen Foulkes in Bern.

The Swiss government had opposed the ban, saying it would harm Switzerland's image, particularly in the Muslim world.

Voters worried about rising immigration - and with it the rise of Islam - had ignored the government's advice, our correspondent adds.

The government said it accepted the decision, and that the construction of new minarets would no longer be permitted.

Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf said: "Concerns [about Islamic fundamentalism] have to be taken seriously.

"However, a ban on the construction of new minarets is not a feasible means of countering extremist tendencies."

She sought to reassure Swiss Muslims, saying the decision was "not a rejection of the Muslim community, religion or culture".

'Major problems'

Switzerland is home to some 400,000 Muslims and has just four minarets.

After Christianity, Islam is the most widespread religion in Switzerland, but it remains relatively hidden.

There are unofficial Muslim prayer rooms, and planning applications for new minarets are almost always refused.

Supporters of a ban claimed that allowing minarets would represent the growth of an ideology and a legal system - Sharia law - which are incompatible with Swiss democracy.

But others say the referendum campaign incited hatred. On Thursday the Geneva mosque was vandalised for the third time during the campaign, according to local media.

Amnesty International said the vote violated freedom of religion and would probably be overturned by the Swiss supreme court or the European Court of Human Rights.

The president of Zurich's Association of Muslim Organisations, Tamir Hadjipolu, told the BBC: "This will cause major problems because during this campaign mosques were attacked, which we never experienced in 40 years in Switzerland.

"Islamaphobia has increased intensively."

Sunday's referendum was held after the SVP collected 100,000 signatures from voters within 18 months calling for a vote.

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Published: 2009/11/30 16:49:26 GMT

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