Obama Awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize.

[jillio]

Are you saying that a nomination is based on prior work or not?

Read the links, koko, read the links. The answers you seek are there.

 

[Jiro]

It's 3.3 years left.

 

[deafskeptic]

He was not awarded the prize based on campaign promises, either. You really are demonstrating that you have not bothered to read any of the information put out by the prize committee. So, in effect, you are commenting on something that you truly know nothing about. But here is a fact for you: Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. Al Gore has one, too!

Oh no, there's a conspiracy to award undeserving liberals and to leave deserving conservatives out in the cold.

 

[darkdog]

That is pretty shaky if the committee bases its decisions on campaign promises from any politician.

That's the money quote if I ever saw one. And does anyone really think this would have happened if he had lost the election and continued on as a senator?

Two questions- if 5 years or 10 years from now, the world is less peaceful than it is now, then what? And if you really think that's a non-zero probability, why not wait until his philosophy actually bears the fruit and then give him the prize?

Personally, I believe his philosophies sound nice and would be great if they fit reality, but I think they're unrealistic. As such, I don't think his philosophy will make the world safer. However, I could be wrong. Anyone can be wrong about anything. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong over the coming and if so, I'll say give the guy 50 more Nobels.

 

[jillio]

Oh no, there's a conspiracy to award undeserving liberals and to leave deserving conservatives out in the cold.

Yes, there is. The prize committee has been conspiring for years!

 

[Jiro]

But his peace philosophy had no power until he was sworn in as President. Until he had presidential authority to do something about his philosophy it was just campaign words.

Saying and doing are not always the same thing. How did the committee in Norway know for sure that Obama would actually do the things as President that he said as candidate?

so Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso shouldn't get Nobel Peace Prize? He had no authority either.

 

[jillio]

so Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso shouldn't get Nobel Peace Prize? He has no authority either.

Excellent point. Wonder what he did the 1st 12 days of his Dalai Lamahood?

 

[Jiro]

That's the money quote if I ever saw one. And does anyone really think this would have happened if he had lost the election and continued on as a senator?

Two questions- if 5 years or 10 years from now, the world is less peaceful than it is now, then what? And if you really think that's a non-zero probability, why not wait until his philosophy actually bears the fruit and then give him the prize?

Personally, I believe his philosophies sound nice and would be great if they fit reality, but I think they're unrealistic. As such, I don't think his philosophy will make the world safer. However, I could be wrong. Anyone can be wrong about anything. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong over the coming and if so, I'll say give the guy 50 more Nobels.

So you don't think people shouldn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting a "bold peace idea" that may be a great benefit for humanity even though that objective hasn't been achieved yet?

 

[kokonut]

so Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso shouldn't get Nobel Peace Prize? He has no authority either.

As for Dalai Lama he faced persecution (even execution) for his years of work for peace and independence from China. What did Obama do?

 

[darkdog]

So you don't think people shouldn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting a "bold peace idea" that may be a great benefit for humanity even though that objective hasn't been achieved yet?

Yup. That's pretty much what I'm saying. By this standard, Neville Chamberlain would have won the award.

 

[jillio]

So you don't think people shouldn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting a "bold peace idea" that may be a great benefit for humanity even though that objective hasn't been achieved yet?

If that's the case, given the state of the world, none would ever be awarded.

 

[Jiro]

Yup. That's pretty much what I'm saying. By this standard, Neville Chamberlain would have won the award.

Neville Chamberlain wouldn't care if he won it or not as long as his philosophy lives on and is recorded in the history book (and wikipedia ). At least he got the front page on TIME magazine

 

[kokonut]

So you don't think people shouldn't deserve a Nobel Peace Prize for promoting a "bold peace idea" that may be a great benefit for humanity even though that objective hasn't been achieved yet?

I think it's one thing to present bold ideas versus actually doing them prior to any nomination rather than nominate a person based on a pretext thinking something will indeed happen afterwards. Sort of like awarding Dalai Lama his Nobel many years earlier just when he got started. How about awarding the NPP to the Coca Cola producer for making a commercial "I like to buy a world a coke" in 1971 and how it had spawned more of those commercials later on about peace and harmony (i.e. - I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)?

Coca-Cola - Heritage - Cokelore - 'I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke' - The Hilltop Story

 

[jillio]

I think it's one thing to present bold ideas versus actually doing them prior to any nomination rather than nominate a person based on a pretext thinking something will indeed happen afterwards. Sort of like awarding Dalai Lama his Nobel many years earlier just when he got started. How about awarding the NPP to the Coca Cola producer for making a commercial "I like to buy a world a coke" in 1971 and how it had spawned more of those commercials later on about peace and harmony (i.e. - I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)?

Coca-Cola - Heritage - Cokelore - 'I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke' - The Hilltop Story

The Nobel committee does not award peace prizes based on commercial advertising.:roll: That wasn't a philosophy of potential. It was a marketing campaign. Fallicious comparison.


BTW: Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

 

[kokonut]

The Nobel committee does not award peace prizes based on commercial advertising.:roll: That wasn't a philosophy of potential. It was a marketing campaign. Fallicious comparison.

BTW: Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009.

A tongue-in-cheek example when the idea of a commercial "harmony song" on peace, love and harmony had more impact than Obama did in his campaign promises.

I'd like to buy the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves

Sounds like his philosophy, too.

 

[Jiro]

I think it's one thing to present bold ideas versus actually doing them prior to any nomination rather than nominate a person based on a pretext thinking something will indeed happen afterwards. Sort of like awarding Dalai Lama his Nobel many years earlier just when he got started. How about awarding the NPP to the Coca Cola producer for making a commercial "I like to buy a world a coke" in 1971 and how it had spawned more of those commercials later on about peace and harmony (i.e. - I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)?

Coca-Cola - Heritage - Cokelore - 'I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke' - The Hilltop Story

again - you'll have to talk with Alfred Nobel community to change the Nobel Prize qualification.

 

[Reba]

so Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso shouldn't get Nobel Peace Prize? He had no authority either.

According to his bio he does have authority, and he's been very active, not just philosophizing:

Leadership Responsibilities

In 1950 His Holiness was called upon to assume full political power after China's invasion of Tibet in 1949. In 1954, he went to Beijing for peace talks with Mao Zedong and other Chinese leaders, including Deng Xiaoping and Chou Enlai. But finally, in 1959, with the brutal suppression of the Tibetan national uprising in Lhasa by Chinese troops, His Holiness was forced to escape into exile. Since then he has been living in Dharamsala, northern India, the seat of the Tibetan political administration in exile.

Since the Chinese invasion, His Holiness has appealed to the United Nations on the question of Tibet. The General Assembly adopted three resolutions on Tibet in 1959, 1961 and 1965.

Democratisation Process

In 1963 His Holiness presented a draft democratic constitution for Tibet that was followed by a number of reforms to democratise our administrative set-up. The new democratic constitution promulgated as a result of this reform was named "The Charter of Tibetans in Exile". The charter enshrines freedom of speech, belief, assembly and movement. It also provides detailed guidelines on the functioning of the Tibetan government with respect to those living in exile.

In 1992 His Holiness issued guidelines for the constitution of a future, free Tibet. He announced that when Tibet becomes free the immediate task would be to set up an interim government whose first responsibility will be to elect a constitutional assembly to frame and adopt Tibet's democratic constitution. On that day His Holiness would transfer all his historical and political authority to the Interim President and live as an ordinary citizen. His Holiness also stated that he hoped that Tibet, comprising of the three traditional provinces of U-Tsang, Amdo and Kham, would be federal and democratic.

In May 1990, the reforms called for by His Holiness saw the realisation of a truly democratic administration in exile for the Tibetan community. The Tibetan Cabinet (Kashag), which till then had been appointed by His Holiness, was dissolved along with the Tenth Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies (Tibetan parliament in exile). In the same year, exile Tibetans on the Indian sub-continent and in more than 33 other countries elected 46 members to the expanded Eleventh Tibetan Assembly on a one-man one-vote basis. The Assembly, in its turn, elected the new members of the cabinet. In September 2001, a further major step in democratisation was taken when the Tibetan electorate directly elected the Kalon Tripa, the senior-most minister of the Cabinet. The Kalon Tripa in turn appointed his own cabinet who had to be approved by the Tibetan Assembly. In Tibet's long history, this was the first time that the people elected the political leadership of Tibet.

Peace Initiatives

In September 1987 His Holiness proposed the Five Point Peace Plan for Tibet as the first step towards a peaceful solution to the worsening situation in Tibet. He envisaged that Tibet would become a sanctuary; a zone of peace at the heart of Asia, where all sentient beings can exist in harmony and the delicate environment can be preserved. China has so far failed to respond positively to the various peace proposals put forward by His Holiness.

Strasbourg Proposal

In his address to members of the European Parliament in Strasbourg on 15 June 1988, His Holiness made another detailed proposal elaborating on the last point of the Five Point Peace Plan. He proposed talks between the Chinese and Tibetans leading to a self-governing democratic political entity for all three provinces of Tibet. This entity would be in association with the People's Republic of China and the Chinese Government would continue to remain responsible for Tibet's foreign policy and defence.

A Brief Biography

 

[jillio]

A tongue-in-cheek example when the idea of a commercial "harmony song" on peace, love and harmony had more impact than Obama did in his campaign promises.



Sounds like his philosophy, too.

Still a fallicious comparison.

 

[Jiro]

I think it's one thing to present bold ideas versus actually doing them prior to any nomination rather than nominate a person based on a pretext thinking something will indeed happen afterwards. Sort of like awarding Dalai Lama his Nobel many years earlier just when he got started. How about awarding the NPP to the Coca Cola producer for making a commercial "I like to buy a world a coke" in 1971 and how it had spawned more of those commercials later on about peace and harmony (i.e. - I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing (In Perfect Harmony)?

Coca-Cola - Heritage - Cokelore - 'I'd Like to Buy the World a Coke' - The Hilltop Story

lemme guess - got it off from a right-wing source which most likely preached about encouraging people to kill Obama or overthrow White House?

 

[kokonut]

Reba,

Wouldn't Obama's own "philosophizing" (i.e. campaign promises) be more apt in the Nobel Literature Prize then?