Body Found in House Full of Garbage

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Jiro said:
let's not play "Dr. Phil" in here, eh? :)
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Are you saying practicing psychologists wouldn't know a variety of well known mental disorders that do exist? Not saying she's an expert. As the article stated, she reached out to others, but not to herself.
 
Sort of on topic, I remember a murder mystery I read, (unfortunately not the title). I read it because the main murder suspect had Asperger's syndrome.

His victim was his psychologist, and she (the psychologist) suffered from OCD and packrat syndrome.

A comment by the clinic staff in the book was that it was unfortunate that her OCD did not extend to cleanliness, as it was impossible to tell what was disturbed in her office.

And as for real life, my stepmother was a psychiatric social worker, and being a product of the Depression, she is quite a bit of a hoarder, and there is really nothing anyone can do about it.

But why anyone would think your profession would make you immune to mental illness, is beyond me.

At least 1 in 7 has some diagnosable mental illness, even though they are functioning in everyday life.
 
I think this thread is very fascinating. I wish there are more to read about it.
 
kokonut said:
Are you saying practicing psychologists wouldn't know a variety of well known mental disorders that do exist? Not saying she's an expert. As the article stated, she reached out to others, but not to herself.
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What I'm saying is that I know where you're going with this. We both know why you're continuing to speak poorly of psychologists - a blanket statement.

Sneaky little snake, aren't ya? :cool2:
 
kokonut said:
Well, that's one aspect. You'd think a woman with a psychology background would recognize her own problems and find a way to stop it?
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That is a complete fallicy. Knowing what your problem is does not mean that you are capable of fixing it on your own. Please stop being so judgemental towards this woman as you obviously have a very superficial understanding of the topic of hoarding.
 
Jiro said:
What I'm saying is that I know where you're going with this. We both know why you're continuing to speak poorly of psychologists - a blanket statement.

Sneaky little snake, aren't ya? :cool2:
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He thinks he is. :lol: All he is actually doing is showing his complete lack of empathy, and that attempting to stike a low blow is the most important thing to him. Doesn't speak well of his character at all.
 
souggy said:
Shame.

It's shame. You know society is messed up when Oprah forgives pedophiles, yet condemn hoarders.

The deeper mess they get into, the harder it is to get out because they are afraid of being stunned or being punished--- which cause them to spiral downhill even further since it is a snowball effect. The only time they really get help is when they are tired of lying and being ashamed.
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Oprah forgives pedophiles? :shock: Shouldn't that be the victims' decision to forgive and not Oprah's? Ye gods. Where did that come from? Link? That sounds sooo.....creepy.

I agree. It can be a snowball effect, which is sad, yet can be a devastating process. They said she was a recluse but I wonder, when was the last time any of her relatives visited her and saw the mess inside her house? And if so, did they even try and help her?
 
This sad story certainly illustrates the fact that no one is immune to mental health problems. Those that use it as an opportunity to pass judgement on this individual can expect no less than judgement against them when they find themselves in the same position.:cool2:

Hoarding is really a facinating behavior. It is not considered to be a disorder in and of itself, but is a behavior that becomes manifest with several other disorders. It can be tied to OCD, depression, adjustment disorders, and various other disorders. Most victims of this behavior can be found to have a fear of abandonment as a core issue. It usually starts early in life, and gets progressively worse. Left untreated, it unfortunately can end in the way this tragic story ended. There is some empirical evidence of the tendency being a learned behavior in many cases, it others, there is not such a clear connection. Most hoarders are found to be well above average in intelligence.

I have seen quite a bit of hoarding behavior in the DV clients I work with, most related to PTSD resulting from violent trauma experienced. I have a very good friend who is a full professor of fine arts, and an extremely intelligent and well learned man, who struggles with hoarding behaviors. It is a complicated behavior, and is not to be dismissed or made light of.
 
Yep. I am going to look for the episode right now. She had a convicted pedophile as a guest, then they went on to talk about how he was a product of his father's upbringing or something like that... and then she granted him amnesty for being a product of a vicious cycle.
 
I don't buy the pedos' excuses. They make a conscious decision and effort to go after kids and then molest or rape them. No different from Polanski raping and sodomizing a 13 year old girl.
 
souggy said:
Yep. I am going to look for the episode right now. She had a convicted pedophile as a guest, then they went on to talk about how he was a product of his father's upbringing or something like that... and then she granted him amnesty for being a product of a vicious cycle.
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Keep in mind that Oprah also was a victim of sexual abuse when she was a child, and yes, it can be a cycle. It does run in some families until somebody manages to break the cycle.
 
Are we saying that Oprah also molested kids while she was an adult, too?
 
It sound very much what you're saying since you spoke of cycle. Either that or you need to clarify further what you said about Oprah and cycle.
 
kokonut said:
It sound very much what you're saying since you spoke of cycle. Either that or you need to clarify further what you said about Oprah and cycle.
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I can't help it if you are unable to not read between the lines.
 
That's why a clarification would be needed or otherwise people will think you are indeed saying that and making that charge. Being purposely evasive is a sign of dishonesty. Only you can correct that, not me.
 
kokonut said:
That's why a clarification would be needed or otherwise people will think you are indeed saying that and making that charge. Being purposely evasive is a sign of dishonesty. Only you can correct that, not me.
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I made a response to one of Souggy's posts, I was quite clear on what I said. There is no need to re-clarify what I said. It's you who is putting a spin on my words.

(shrugs)

Hardly dishonest at all.
 
Some people are like that because they find sentimental value in everything.

my mom tend to keep trash because she felt it could be useful for something. Like our school projects, crafts, or a helpful piece for a fixer-upper. Or good for compost. It's really weird but she found everything useful! Her worst fear is that if we needed something, we wouldn't have the money to buy our supplies.. so she tend to keep everything. (remember my post about keeping old hearing batteries? She kept them too because she think we might need it, and it turned out we did because of no money)
 
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