If Obama is a socialist. What was FDR?

[Jiro]

Not confused. Here's the actual quote:

"I've abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system." -- George Bush, at 1:40 in this CNN video. (via Slate)

video at: Brilliant self-contradictory quote from President Bush - Boing Boing

You can tell that I'm not a big fan of the bailout. Obama also voted for the bailout. After election, Obama appointed the same banksters who created the whole mess (like Timothy Geither). You, I and our offspring will be paying the bailout tab forever.

probably misspoke or it's taken out of context

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There's Obama's speeches that address on health care reform.
YouTube - Weekly Address: Necessary Reform, Absurd Attacks

It has CC.

for post video with CC. His own word is an exact what PolitiFact wrote in PolitFact websites.

Of course I support Obama fully. It´s sad that many people accuse Obama as a socialist and have no idea how important healthcare reform is.

Not confused. Here's the actual quote:

"I've abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system." -- George Bush, at 1:40 in this CNN video. (via Slate)

video at: Brilliant self-contradictory quote from President Bush - Boing Boing

You can tell that I'm not a big fan of the bailout. Obama also voted for the bailout. After election, Obama appointed the same banksters who created the whole mess (like Timothy Geither). You, I and our offspring will be paying the bailout tab forever.

for link but unfortunlately, there´re no CC in that video, I´d like to read Bush´s word.

 

[Jiro]

for post video with CC. His own word is an exact what PolitiFact wrote in PolitFact websites.

Of course I support Obama fully. It´s sad that many people accuse Obama as a socialist and have no idea how important healthcare reform is.

yes Obama's weekly broadcast was very convincing. However - what he said and what he did contradicted with each other. That's why half of his own party was against him.

 

[Jiro]

for link but unfortunlately, there´re no CC in that video, I´d like to read Bush´s word.

ah-ha.... found the transcript! but.... I prefer watching the video with CC. oh well....

here's a link for transcript

CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: Let me ask you just because there is a couple of news of the day things I wanted to get you on. And the first is, are you going to bail out the auto industry?

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We're considering all options.

CROWLEY: Is that a yes?

BUSH: Well, I've made it clear I'm concerned about two things. One, the financial markets and such that a disorganized bankruptcy could create enormous economic difficulties -- further economic difficulties.

And you know, I feel a sense of obligation to my successor to make sure there is not a huge economic crisis. Look, we're in a crisis now. I mean, this is -- we're in a huge recession. But I don't want to make it even worse and -- but, on the other hand, I am mindful enough putting good money after bad, so we're working through some options.

CROWLEY: So it sounds like you need some assurances from the auto industry to give them some sort of assistance.
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BUSH: Right, well we're just working on options. What you don't want to do is spend a lot of taxpayers' money and then have the same old stuff happen again and again and again.

CROWLEY: And you're -- know you can't it out of the existing money, that $25 billion stash and probably will have to take it out of elsewhere?

BUSH: We're looking at all options.

CROWLEY: OK. And how -- when -- and so how soon do you think?

BUSH: We, you know, we're told that the automobiles are, you know, teetering here or teetering there, and obviously taking in their concerns and taking in the concerns of all the stakeholders and we'll try to get this done in an expeditious way.

CROWLEY: But you can't be the president that oversees the collapse of the auto industry in the U.S.?

BUSH: Well, I am -- obviously I made a decision to make sure the economy doesn't collapse. I have abandoned free market principles to save the free market system. I think when people review what has taken place in the last six months, put it all in one package, they'll be able to realize how significantly we have moved.

And I'm so sorry we're having to do it. I'm not real happy about the fact that there have been excesses in the financial markets which are affecting hard-working people and affecting their retirement accounts.

Having said that, I am very confident that with time, the economy will come out and grow and people's wealth will return.

 

[inspirabull]

unfortunate

In order to do what they wanted- use America as mercenaries for Big Oil goals- the needed to do this: Lie, Cheat, Steal, and every other available sin. In the doing they took a flawed economy and ran it at warp speed right into the wall.
Conservatives my ass, the Bush bunch raped the hell out of America and deserve a bladk page in history. Here is what Republicans as a party do: they take the peoples money and put it into their own pockets. They tell everyone how good it is that they get to do this. If no one stops them they don't stop themselves until every last crumb is gone and then try and blame everyone else they can. The Democrats as a party do this: they take the peoples money and reinvest it in the people. The Republicans hate trying to fix root causes- they would rather make money off of what happens from the unfixed problems.
Democrats believe in addressing root causes for a more people friendly society.
As flawed as the Democrats often are I wholeheartedly approve of their vision over the dog eat dog vision of the Republicans.

 

[Reba]

... Here is what Republicans as a party do: they take the peoples money and put it into their own pockets. ..

Do you have proof of specific examples of this?

...The Democrats as a party do this: they take the peoples money and reinvest it in the people...

The "take" part is right. Reinvest in people? Or do you mean make people dependent on the government? Please explain what the Democrats have done to "reinvest" in people.

The Republicans hate trying to fix root causes- they would rather make money off of what happens from the unfixed problems...

Do you have proof of specific examples of this?

Democrats believe in addressing root causes for a more people friendly society.

People friendly society? Is that in the Constitution of the USA as a duty of the federal government?

Please explain how Democrats have made this a more "people friendly" society.

 

[Foxrac]

I don't think he's socialist but some of his policies are toward to socialism.

 

[sallylou]

It *is* about class. During his time, FDR was known as a class traitor. I don't know if Obama has the guts to do that.

 

[inspirabull]

it has not been very long

We used to have another America. One that had no safety net for its citizens. Child labor was a norm. Workers spent long hours working for dirt cheap wages in conditions that often sickened, injured, or killed them. If it was up to the Republican Party we would have those same things going on right now. To them those were " the good old days" they fought like tigers to keep things that way too. Pick up any history book you don't need me to do it for you. As a man who makes his living working with his hands I know exactly where my good quality of life comes from: my hard work and Democratic reforms.

 

[Jiro]

In order to do what they wanted- use America as mercenaries for Big Oil goals- the needed to do this: Lie, Cheat, Steal, and every other available sin. In the doing they took a flawed economy and ran it at warp speed right into the wall.
Conservatives my ass, the Bush bunch raped the hell out of America and deserve a bladk page in history. Here is what Republicans as a party do: they take the peoples money and put it into their own pockets. They tell everyone how good it is that they get to do this. If no one stops them they don't stop themselves until every last crumb is gone and then try and blame everyone else they can. The Democrats as a party do this: they take the peoples money and reinvest it in the people. The Republicans hate trying to fix root causes- they would rather make money off of what happens from the unfixed problems.
Democrats believe in addressing root causes for a more people friendly society.
As flawed as the Democrats often are I wholeheartedly approve of their vision over the dog eat dog vision of the Republicans.

ah.... a typical propaganda by Democrats to make you believe Democrat's all about people while Republican's all about $ $ $ $ $.

You want the truth? Both parties are equally corrupted and equally greedy. Both parties make money from people for their greed and agenda. Republicans make money from instilling fear in people while Democrats make money from instilling false hope in people. Both just do it differently to get $$$. Once in a while.... we do get some good men with noble goals from both parties.

In case you didn't notice...... most of those good men with noble goals are and were from Republican Party

Example -
-Abraham Lincoln
-Ronald Reagan
-Teddy Roosevelt
-Howard Taft
-Herb Hoover
-Dwight Eisenhower
-Richard Nixon (lol debatable)
-Gerald Ford
-GWB lol

Democratic Party
-FDR
-Harry Truman
-Woodrow Wilson
-JFK
-Slick Willy

 

[Reba]

...As a man who makes his living working with his hands I know exactly where my good quality of life comes from: my hard work and Democratic reforms.

My husband also works hard for a living with his hands, and our quality of life has nothing to do with "Democratic" reforms.

(As a terp, technically I work with my hands also but I don't sweat as hard as Hubby does at his labor.)

 

[sallylou]

I've never understood why some people look down on people who work with their hands. IMHO, those who tend to do this are former "working" class people who have achieved some professional success. I always speak up against the obvious classism.

I know a colleague who is still a carpenter after graduating from law school. He's earning more as a carpenter than he would as an attorney because of the bad economy. It's a more sane lifestyle, too.

I tell my boys to consider plumbing. We'll always need them and they make a good living, especially if they have their own business. Electricians, too.

 

[shel90]

I've never understood why some people look down on people who work with their hands. IMHO, those who tend to do this are former "working" class people who have achieved some professional success. I always speak up against the obvious classism.

I know a colleague who is still a carpenter after graduating from law school. He's earning more as a carpenter than he would as an attorney because of the bad economy. It's a more sane lifestyle, too.

I tell my boys to consider plumbing. We'll always need them and they make a good living, especially if they have their own business. Electricians, too.

It seems like the old days of "sweat and hard work will get you somewhere" are over because I know so many people who have spent their lifetimes sweating and working hard but still unable to afford health care or even basic needs for their families. It is so hard to start a small business and become successful these days.

 

[Cowpuppy]

It's not just health care........businesses have turned more to 'doing the least possible' and charge the most.
Do less for more money. the boomeconomy made it possible as there were some people who could afford higher cost.
Everywhere.....no service....all trying to scam us and not work.
Used to be business was proud to serve you ...go that extra effort.
health care want to make most money working on the least people...and the people with money drive up the cost....supply and demand....they can afford to paylots.....so they are the ones being served.....not the people without.....poor folk not a concern....poor don't drive up the cost. Ritzy people getting babied......they get extended care even after the operations etc. Cuz hospitals after all that'rich folk' insurance money.
What are we supposed to do? never do anything that might mimic a socialist idea? Shoot ourselves in the foot simply to stick to this ideal? we change presidents and administrations regularly...we can adjust things later. Crying socialist just more republican desperation and lies and more scare tactics...cuz they can't rely on honesty. All they know is trickery and lies. and they call themselves the 'conservative christians'.
Use God's name in vain if you ask me....the worst kind of sinners.

 

[Reba]

...cuz they can't rely on honesty. All they know is trickery and lies. and they call themselves the 'conservative christians'.
Use God's name in vain if you ask me....the worst kind of sinners.

To whom exactly are you referring?

 

[shel90]

It's not just health care........businesses have turned more to 'doing the least possible' and charge the most.
Do less for more money. the boomeconomy made it possible as there were some people who could afford higher cost.
Everywhere.....no service....all trying to scam us and not work.
Used to be business was proud to serve you ...go that extra effort.
health care want to make most money working on the least people...and the people with money drive up the cost....supply and demand....they can afford to paylots.....so they are the ones being served.....not the people without.....poor folk not a concern....poor don't drive up the cost. Ritzy people getting babied......they get extended care even after the operations etc. Cuz hospitals after all that'rich folk' insurance money.
What are we supposed to do? never do anything that might mimic a socialist idea? Shoot ourselves in the foot simply to stick to this ideal? we change presidents and administrations regularly...we can adjust things later. Crying socialist just more republican desperation and lies and more scare tactics...cuz they can't rely on honesty. All they know is trickery and lies. and they call themselves the 'conservative christians'.
Use God's name in vain if you ask me....the worst kind of sinners.

 

[sallylou]

Do ya'll remember when you could call a company and actually talk to a real person on the phone? Ah, those were the good ol' days.

 

[inspirabull]

I remember when the CEO's did not make millions of dollars and there was not a North American Free Trade Agreement putting American workers in direct competition with foreigners working for less than a dollar an hour. 20 year mortgages and homes that were affordable. When I could visit a big city and not by accosted by the mentally ill. When I had health insurance that was affordable when I had to self pay it. Yep we have sure come a long ways a long ways towards creating an incredibly stupid mess. Ross Perot has a pretty good site up at <perotcharts.com> well worth looking at.

 

[JHuschke]

Obama is not a socialist, he will ruin the U.S. and the world before you know it!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Obama is not a socialist, he will ruin the U.S. and the world before you know it!

Huh? :scratch: