The use of pain killers - an addict's choice? Or unfortunate circumstances?

Babyblue said:
In the state of Florida. One of the new Laws that will pass tomorrow is to prevent people from "Dr" shopping for pain pills. Each prescription that is written has to be registered. So once you have a prescription filled by one doctor. Another doctor writes one out. They can check online to see if you have purchased such prescribed pill within a certain time span. If so... You will be denied.
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that sounds like a good plan..hope it works! At least Florida is taking action. :)
 
sallylou said:
It's not fair to people with chronic pain that use drugs responsibly to ban them because a few celebrities get addicted. In the celebrity cases, the doctors gave them drugs because of their fame. The celebrities used multiple physicians to get more drugs. Why should regular people who follow the rules be punished because of that? It's crazy! :pissed:
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That is the situation I deal with. I have connective tissue disease that causes arthritis throughout my body along with the hearing loss that makes me deaf.

It is such a pita to get a prescription for pain mediciene. The irony is the evil narcotics are much gentler to the organs than over the counter mediciene. Long term use of aspririn can cause ulcer and digestive problems, tylenol ruins the liver, aleve and ibuprofin are hard on the kidneys and the new stuff like vioxx and celebrex can cause bloodclots and strokes

The only drawback to the opiates is tolerance. Because they are so similar to the natural endorphins in the body, the body assumes there are too many endorphins floating around and starts reducing the natural endorphins it creates. So you need to increase the dosage for the same affect. Eventually it tapers off and the dosage needed becomes consistant.

but dont u dare compare a pain patient with some heroin addict. They take so much it puts them in a stupor. I would have to take 10x the prescribed dosage to reach that level intoxication. When I and other pain patients take our painkillers, we are not intoxicated or drunk. It simply reduces the pain
 
sallylou said:
It's not fair to people with chronic pain that use drugs responsibly to ban them because a few celebrities get addicted. In the celebrity cases, the doctors gave them drugs because of their fame. The celebrities used multiple physicians to get more drugs. Why should regular people who follow the rules be punished because of that? It's crazy! :pissed:
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that and every hospital or doctor's visit everyone thinks the patient is just another junkie trying to get a fix :roll:
 
I used to take quite a lot of pain releif when I used to wear hearing aids and was also living in an abusive environment.

Now I try to avoid all medicine when I can. The last time I took any didn't work anyway because I was sick.
Sometimes it isn't easy since pain can be so bad that it feels someone is knocking me about the head with a heavy frying pan and my eyes are being gorged out so I'm wondering why I'm doing it for. I don't have pain killers at home anyway.
 
Another thing to remember, is that most fatalities with painkillers involve other alcohol and drugs. Its rare for them to kill people by themselves. Also, sometimes theyre used to commit suicide which skews statistics.

Opiods are very safe. The FDA is currently considering banning Vicodin, not for the narcotic hydrocodone it contains but for the acetaminophen(tylenol).

Panel advises ban on Percocet, Vicodin - UPI.com

Acetaminophen is toxic to the liver in large doses. Acetaminophen is readily available over the counter without a prescrition. It kills an estimated 450 people a year.
 
Doug5 said:
Another thing to remember, is that most fatalities with painkillers involve other alcohol and drugs. Its rare for them to kill people by themselves. Also, sometimes theyre used to commit suicide which skews statistics.

Opiods are very safe. The FDA is currently considering banning Vicodin, not for the narcotic hydrocodone it contains but for the acetaminophen(tylenol).

Panel advises ban on Percocet, Vicodin - UPI.com

Acetaminophen is toxic to the liver in large doses. Acetaminophen is readily available over the counter without a prescrition. It kills an estimated 450 people a year.
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I seriously hope they reformulate the medications and don't ban perc or vicodin outright. What they COULD do is just lower the dosage for the acetamenophen to coincide with whatever the limit is going to be. I know that some preparations of vicodin has as much as 650mg of tylenol in it. That in and of itself, is not bad. However, if someone were taking this and they also took over the counter medications containing tylenol, then thats when everything can get tricky, and that is also what the FDA is trying to prevent by the actions they are taking. I support the idea of lowering the maximum dose of allowable acetamenophen, but I'm leery about the ban and I hope it isn't as cut and dry as what we think. We'll see when action is taken.
 
Agree with Oceanbreeze, as long as the pain killers are needed, it's OK. It don't have anything to do with the addict issues.
 
Bottesini said:
Stars addicted is certainly nothing new.

Peter Lorre and Bela Lugosi were both addicted to morphine back in the twenties.

I am sure there are many more instances but those come to mind.

With Hollywood fame comes lots of money, stress, and shady doctors who are only too glad to supply.
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Those shady doctors are greedy for $$$.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
I seriously hope they reformulate the medications and don't ban perc or vicodin outright. What they COULD do is just lower the dosage for the acetamenophen to coincide with whatever the limit is going to be. I know that some preparations of vicodin has as much as 650mg of tylenol in it. That in and of itself, is not bad. However, if someone were taking this and they also took over the counter medications containing tylenol, then thats when everything can get tricky, and that is also what the FDA is trying to prevent by the actions they are taking. I support the idea of lowering the maximum dose of allowable acetamenophen, but I'm leery about the ban and I hope it isn't as cut and dry as what we think. We'll see when action is taken.
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the answer is simple. Leave out the tylenol crap and leave the hydrocodone by itself. You can take the tylenol seperately.
 
I am surprised people dont panic about the tylenol deaths. If they ban tylenol almost 500 lives will be saved yearly.
 
Doug5 said:
I am surprised people dont panic about the tylenol deaths. If they ban tylenol almost 500 lives will be saved yearly.
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People are too stupid to panic. Many times these deaths happen because people take multiple products with tylenol added. They simply don't read the directions on their bottle label!

Also, alot of deaths are probably from suicide. Some people are savvy enough to figure out that taking large doses of tylenol WILL kill them. It's not like downing a bottle of benadryl, which at worst, will just make you sicker than hell. Tylenol WILL kill you if you take enough of it and some people know this.

At any rate, it's these deaths that are making the FDA nervous, so they felt they needed to take action. It's sad that you have to do this simply because people are stupid or they want to intentionally take their lives. Unfortunately, this action WON'T reduce the number of suicides, but it may reduce the number of tylenol deaths. We'll have to see, I guess.
 
This is off topic, but thought I'd get it out there. There are also painkiller patches in use. Use as directed ON YOUR SKIN, DO NOT CHEW! I have witnessed a friend do this probably to "squeeze it out" of any remaining medivation. The problem is, it becomes a poison once the body processes it. As a result, she had a mild seizure and had her stomach flushed. Hopefully this warning can prevent another from a near fatal mistake.
 
S.O.B. said:
This is off topic, but thought I'd get it out there. There are also painkiller patches in use. Use as directed ON YOUR SKIN, DO NOT CHEW! I have witnessed a friend do this probably to "squeeze it out" of any remaining medivation. The problem is, it becomes a poison once the body processes it. As a result, she had a mild seizure and had her stomach flushed. Hopefully this warning can prevent another from a near fatal mistake.
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You're talking about fentanyl aka duragesic. Doing so is potentially fatal, but you're right, some people do it.

http://www.rxlist.com/duragesic-drug.htm

Stupid!
 
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