Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran.

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Jiro said:
hence - Islamic Republic. they do have free speech but it's not the same as American's free speech. They still can speak out and protest. I don't see Afghanistan government censoring and sending Basijis on them.
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Oh, puh-leeze, Jiro. You have a distorted definition of "freedom".
 
Jiro said:
Can you not be an agitator, Hear Again? thanks. back to topic :ty:

Obama spokesman: President 'moved' by Iran protest images


There you go - the protests were done by Iranians, not influenced or funded by Americans. The protests are not to overthrow the government.
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Are they to remove an elected politician from office? Are they to have the election results recalled and a new election instituted? Come on Jiro. And all your link said was that it was not a U.S. backed attempt to bring down a regime. Which is true, since Obama has withdrawn funding from the protestors. Just because the U.S. is not backing the protestors does not mean that their intent is not to remove an elected official from office.
 
I've provided this link before. here it is again - Iran's hybrid of democracy and religion

# Story Highlights
# Iran's constitution allows for both democracy and unelected religious leadership
# Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has been supreme leader since 1989
# The supreme leader commands the 200,000-strong Revolutionary Guard
# The 12-person Guardian Council has veto power over Iran's parliament
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yep - democratic concepts. democracy. :)

Again - you can combine democracy with anything.
 
jillio said:
Are they to remove an elected politician from office? Are they to have the election results recalled and a new election instituted? Come on Jiro.
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that's up to Iranians. Again - none of it are funded nor controlled by Americans.
 
jillio said:
And all your link said was that it was not a U.S. backed attempt to bring down a regime. Which is true, since Obama has withdrawn funding from the protestors.
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correct. Now you see where I'm getting at? *wink wink*

All is done by Iranians alone.
 
Jiro said:
I've provided this link before. here it is again - Iran's hybrid of democracy and religion



yep - democratic concepts. democracy. :)

Again - you can combine democracy with anything.
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Here's a better link for you:

Article 1

The form of government of Iran is that of an Islamic Republic, endorsed by the people of Iran on the basis of their longstanding belief in the sovereignty of truth and Qur'anic justice, in the referendum of Farwardin 9 and 10 in the year 1358 of the solar Islamic calendar, corresponding to Jamadi al-'Awwal 1 and 2 in the year 1399 of the lunar Islamic calendar (March 29 and 30, 1979], through the affirmative vote of a majority of 98.2% of eligible voters, held after the victorious Islamic Revolution led by the eminent marji' al-taqlid, Ayatullah al-Uzma Imam Khumayni.

Article 2

The Islamic Republic is a system based on belief in:

1.the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands;
2.Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws;
3.the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man's ascent towards God;
4.the justice of God in creation and legislation;
5.continuous leadership (imamah) and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam;
6.the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:
1.continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha' possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis off the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Ma'sumun, upon all of whom be peace;
2.sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further;
3.negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.

Iranian Goverment Constitution, English Text
 
jillio said:
Because Obama pulled funding.
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um..... do you exactly know what the funding is for? Hint - it's not for protest. Plus - by doing so, it will invalidate any accusation that what's going on in Iran is caused by Americans - politically.
 
jillio said:
Here's a better link for you:

Article 1

The form of government of Iran is that of an Islamic Republic, endorsed by the people of Iran on the basis of their longstanding belief in the sovereignty of truth and Qur'anic justice, in the referendum of Farwardin 9 and 10 in the year 1358 of the solar Islamic calendar, corresponding to Jamadi al-'Awwal 1 and 2 in the year 1399 of the lunar Islamic calendar (March 29 and 30, 1979], through the affirmative vote of a majority of 98.2% of eligible voters, held after the victorious Islamic Revolution led by the eminent marji' al-taqlid, Ayatullah al-Uzma Imam Khumayni.

Article 2

The Islamic Republic is a system based on belief in:

1.the One God (as stated in the phrase "There is no god except Allah"), His exclusive sovereignty and the right to legislate, and the necessity of submission to His commands;
2.Divine revelation and its fundamental role in setting forth the laws;
3.the return to God in the Hereafter, and the constructive role of this belief in the course of man's ascent towards God;
4.the justice of God in creation and legislation;
5.continuous leadership (imamah) and perpetual guidance, and its fundamental role in ensuring the uninterrupted process of the revolution of Islam;
6.the exalted dignity and value of man, and his freedom coupled with responsibility before God; in which equity, justice, political, economic, social, and cultural independence, and national solidarity are secured by recourse to:
1.continuous ijtihad of the fuqaha' possessing necessary qualifications, exercised on the basis off the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Ma'sumun, upon all of whom be peace;
2.sciences and arts and the most advanced results of human experience, together with the effort to advance them further;
3.negation of all forms of oppression, both the infliction of and the submission to it, and of dominance, both its imposition and its acceptance.

Iranian Goverment Constitution, English Text
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why thank you for info but they are using a hybrid form of government systems - religion + democracy. That's why Iran has President and Council.
 
Jiro said:
um..... do you exactly know what the funding is for? Hint - it's not for protest. Plus - by doing so, it will invalidate any accusation that what's going on in Iran is caused by Americans - politically.
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Newsmax has learned that the Obama administration also has zeroed out funding for pro-democracy programs inside Iran from the State Department budget for fiscal 2010, just as protests in Iran are ramping up.

From the OP. That is what the funding was for.

Yet, you claim that the U.S. has a "moral obligation" to assist the oppressed of the world and promote democracy. Which is it Jiro?
 
Jiro said:
why thank you for info but they are using a hybrid form of government systems - religion + democracy.
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Democracy calls for separation of church and state, not combining church and state. That is a theocracy.
 
jillio said:
Democracy calls for separation of church and state, not combining church and state. That is a theocracy.
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no...... no........ OUR constitution calls for separation of church and state.
 
jillio said:
Newsmax has learned that the Obama administration also has zeroed out funding for pro-democracy programs inside Iran from the State Department budget for fiscal 2010, just as protests in Iran are ramping up.

From the OP. That is what the funding was for.

Yet, you claim that the U.S. has a "moral obligation" to assist the oppressed of the world and promote democracy. Which is it Jiro?
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Yes that is my opinion as the American citizen with free speech. I say that we have moral obligation to assist the oppressed the world and promote the democracy. :nono: to Obama for leaving them out to bleed like what JFK did to Bay of Pigs.

You might want to find out exactly what the funding was used for.
 
jillio said:
And we are a democracy. Duh.
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right..... so are UK, Canada, Australia, South Korea, Japan, and Europe. Our constitutions are different but we share same democratic ideals - free speech, free election, and human rights.
 
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