I was discriminated at the hair salon today (Friday)...

you know - this sparks an idea. I'm thinking of creating a thread for us to post our experience with being discriminated at any store/restaurant/place... even though they did not say anything discriminating but you can feel it.

You have a superior memory so was there any thread like I'm thinking of? :hmm:

That's nice to see understanding between Jiro and Leibling to almost agree to disagree and taking this further, to actually agree on the concept of creating a thread to discuss.highlight,report and indeed maybe adding the 'how to report and what not to say to make your case strong'.
kudos to you both, now Please leave it at that, all of us has done terrific contribution and we all shared real understandings on this senseless plight that Lucia had to endure, it is quite ridiculous to say the least, and indeed unlawful.

I hope you are in good spirits now Lucia and best of luck, do let us know whats the outcome.

Cheers
 
yep. right there in Lucia's post -


I bet Lucia's like BOO-YAH! to them :laugh2: The women were wise enough not to forcibly grab notes out of her otherwise it would escalate to battery charge.

Exactly why I used the universal "stop" sign - to be clear to them that they are not to be touching my body and that it was to stop immediately.
 
those papers notes are strong evidences it will nail their asses to the jurisdiction big time.
 
That's nice to see understanding between Jiro and Leibling to almost agree to disagree and taking this further, to actually agree on the concept of creating a thread to discuss.highlight,report and indeed maybe adding the 'how to report and what not to say to make your case strong'.
kudos to you both, now Please leave it at that, all of us has done terrific contribution and we all shared real understandings on this senseless plight that Lucia had to endure, it is quite ridiculous to say the least, and indeed unlawful.

I hope you are in good spirits now Lucia and best of luck, do let us know whats the outcome.

Cheers

Ah thank you, Grummer, I'm good now. Had a full day of fun at Deaf Day at Six Flags Fiesta Texas today, just got home. Awesome water rides!

I will most certainly let y'all know the outcome of all this.
 
yah they wouldnt they're pigshits

Yup. And they would feel that I've "wasted" their time. Also I've heard that police around here aren't very good to Deaf people so who knows what they could done to me? I'd rather play it safe and go to the BBB and TCC.
 
Well if they meant no harm then it doesn't make sense that they refused service to me just because I don't go to church...whether I go or not isn't really their business to start with.

You're damn right , it no one business if you go to church , those women need to be put in their place! I would spead the word around so people will not go there! What state is this in?
 
Let me ask, does the hair salon have the sign, something like "We reserve the rights to refuse to serve"?

I don't think I saw any such sign. I'll have to double check sometime, but I don't think I would be welcome at the shop anymore so I'm not sure how I would find out. And even if they did have such a sign - it's still discrimination because they did state the reason they were refusing service - that I do not go to church - and that when I started going to church they would cut my hair. That right there is discrimination. If they just said "we don't want to cut your hair" without stating the reason, then well I gotta leave. This kind of sign is usually used for people who comes into the business to cause some kind of trouble or behave inappropriately, which I didn't. I simply asked for my hair cut and was refused service when they found out I don't go to church.
 
Yup. And they would feel that I've "wasted" their time. Also I've heard that police around here aren't very good to Deaf people so who knows what they could done to me? I'd rather play it safe and go to the BBB and TCC.

and win
 
This might help:

The Right To Refuse Service Or Discrimination?
By Stephanie Tallman Smith

You have probably seen the signs: “We Reserve the Right to Refuse Service.” Common sense would dictate that a business does not have to serve an unruly customer, or allow its employees to be abused or threatened by a patron. Likewise, many business owners have moral or religious reasons for refusing service and have increasingly exercised the right to their convictions. But does that mean by simply posting a sign that businesses have the right to discriminate against customers for any reason it sees fit? In a word, sometimes.

Businesses are primarily places of public accommodation. That means they are in business to accommodate the needs of the public. They actively invite and seek the patronage of the public and therefore are subject to the same anti-discrimination laws that protect workers seeking employment or promotion. Specifically, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination and guarantees all persons the right to “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the grounds of race, color, religion or national origin.”

Rosa Parks could not be asked to sit in the back of the bus today, just as the lunch counter segregation of the early 1960s would be deemed a violation of constitutional law. The scope of the Federal Civil Rights Act is narrowed specifically to those four areas of discrimination, however. Consequently, the Americans with Disabilities Act was enacted and prohibited businesses from refusing service based on a person’s disability. A restaurant could not refuse to serve a blind patron because they could not read the menu. A car dealership could not refuse service because a proposed buyer was in a wheelchair.

Some states have taken the federal legislation farther and enacted their own Civil Rights laws. California, for example, prohibits discrimination based on unconventional dress and sexual orientation. The California legislation, known as the Unruh Civil Rights Act, make it illegal for businesses to refuse service just because the owner does not like the way someone is dressed or because they are against gays.

For example, a restaurant in California was held in violation of the Unruh Act because it refused to seat a gay couple in a booth normally reserved for intimate, opposite-sex patrons. A drug store could not refuse service to a homosexual male who wishes to purchase condoms. At the time of the Unruh Act in the 1960s, California was considered progressive, even for its era. Businesses would regularly refuse service to hippies, police officers, African-Americans, Republicans and other groups of people, simply because the business owner disliked the associated group the individual belonged to.

So if all of these laws are in place, why then the need for signs? Because a business may refuse service if a legitimate business need exists, as in the case of an unruly customer or a violent patron threatening employees or other customers. Using the same legislation, schools in California are allowed to regulate the dress of students to ensure the safety and well being of everyone because they have been deemed to have a legitimate business need for doing so.

The Moral and Religious Debate

Despite the anti-discrimination protections in place across the country, some patrons of specific businesses are finding themselves being refused service due to the moral or religious convictions of the business owner or employee. For example, some pharmacists refuse to dispense birth control pills to unmarried women or emergency contraception (the morning after pill) to rape victims because of their religious teachings. These pharmacists are protected under refusal clauses that allow a person’s conscience, moral conflict or moral values to dictate their business practices.

Currently this refusal clause affects the medical field, such as doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and pharmacists, and with good reason. Imagine a physician with an opposition to abortion being ordered to perform one because the customer demands it. On the other hand, the slippery slope of American legal interpretation is just one court decision away from allowing clerks in bookstores to refuse service to customers buying material they find objectionable. Likewise, if moral convictions are an acceptable reason for refusing service, what is to stop a business owner from refusing service to alcoholics, or women, or any other group of people not specified in either federal or state legislation?

How to Stay on the Right Side of the Law

As a business owner, it is important to understand the laws affecting your rights to refuse service. Understand the limits of both the Federal Civil Rights Act and any state or local laws affecting your jurisdiction. As a general rule, your right to refuse service can be based on one of the following five reasons:

-Patrons who are unruly
-Patrons who would place your business overcapacity in violation of local fire laws
-Patrons who wish to be served after hours or just before closing, necessitating the expenditure of overtime for your employees.

-Patrons who bring non-paying customers with them that require more space than one person would be reasonably be allocated. In other words, if a paying customer brings three non-paying customers and is seated at a four person booth, service cannot be refused. However if the customer brings six non-paying customers, he or she can be refused service because it requires the use of more than the one booth allocated to the paying customer.
-Patrons who exhibit such poor hygiene that results in numerous customers leaving.


Employees of your business should receive regular training on their right to refuse service and the understanding of public accommodation. Businesses that have refusal of service policies in place and regularly train their employees of the rights and responsibilities of the business are in a better position to defend themselves against discrimination lawsuits that may arise when service is refused.

Make sure your employees understand what the term “arbitrary” means and how any refusal of service that does not meet the criteria above can be considered arbitrary and therefore in violation of federal law. Likewise, understand that as a place of public accommodation, you cannot make arbitrary decisions about the type of client you wish to service.

Julia Roberts’ character was refused service at an upscale Beverly Hills boutique in the movie, Pretty Woman. This is an example of an arbitrary decision and if it had happened in real life could have resulted in a lawsuit.

If you feel that you have been the victim of a discriminatory refusal of service, first objectionably examine the circumstances. Were you unruly? Were you inordinately rude to the sales staff? Did you enter a restaurant barefoot and proceed to put your feet up on the dining table? Although the courts regularly find that the rights of the individual are weighted more heavily than the rights of the business, they still provide for exceptions and allow businesses to refuse service for legitimate reasons.

Refusing service is a complicated matter. As a patron, understand your rights to be served in places of public accommodation and your responsibility for behaving like a reasonable person in such an establishment. With reasonable customers and accommodating businesses, the need to refuse service should rarely arise and if it does, should be held legal and acceptable in a court of law.
The Right To Refuse Service Or Discrimination? | Lifescript.com
 
This might help:


The Right To Refuse Service Or Discrimination? | Lifescript.com

As a general rule, your right to refuse service can be based on one of the following five reasons:

-Patrons who are unruly - I was pretty quiet and calm.

-Patrons who would place your business overcapacity in violation of local fire laws - The shop was mostly empty except for the two women, of which one of them was having her hair done. That woman was involved in all this too, total of 3 people, me and the two women.

-Patrons who wish to be served after hours or just before closing, necessitating the expenditure of overtime for your employees. - The shop was open.

-Patrons who bring non-paying customers with them that require more space than one person would be reasonably be allocated. In other words, if a paying customer brings three non-paying customers and is seated at a four person booth, service cannot be refused. However if the customer brings six non-paying customers, he or she can be refused service because it requires the use of more than the one booth allocated to the paying customer. - I did not bring anyone with me, I came alone.

-Patrons who exhibit such poor hygiene that results in numerous customers leaving.
- I'm a clean person who just needed a haircut.


Thanks, Reba. That's exactly why I thought business had those "right to refuse service" signs...and I've done nothing that would be considered "inappropriate" behavior, I was pretty quiet (no voice), was just writing back and forth with the two women all the way to the end until I was told to get out. And I left without protesting.
 
As a general rule, your right to refuse service can be based on one of the following five reasons:

-Patrons who are unruly - I was pretty quiet and calm.

-Patrons who would place your business overcapacity in violation of local fire laws - The shop was mostly empty except for the two women, of which one of them was having her hair done. That woman was involved in all this too, total of 3 people, me and the two women.

-Patrons who wish to be served after hours or just before closing, necessitating the expenditure of overtime for your employees.The shop was open.

-Patrons who bring non-paying customers with them that require more space than one person would be reasonably be allocated. In other words, if a paying customer brings three non-paying customers and is seated at a four person booth, service cannot be refused. However if the customer brings six non-paying customers, he or she can be refused service because it requires the use of more than the one booth allocated to the paying customer. - I did not bring anyone with me, I came alone.

-Patrons who exhibit such poor hygiene that results in numerous customers leaving.
I'm a clean person who just needed a haircut.


Thanks, Reba. That's exactly why I thought business had those "right to refuse service" signs...and I've done nothing that would be considered "inappropriate" behavior, I was pretty quiet (no voice), was just writing back and forth with the two women all the way to the end until I was told to get out. And I left without protesting, I just left.
You may have a case.

Only you can decide if it's worth pursuing. These kinds of cases can be long and drawn out, and things can get ugly.

Pursing legal action by yourself would be very difficult. If you have a legal group such as ACLU representing you it might succeed. Without free legal assistance or an advocacy group to support you, it would be rough, especially since huge financial damages probably aren't in the picture.

I'm sorry you had to experience such unprofessional, mean-spirited behavior. It was especially discouraging I'm sure, since most of us ladies go to our hairdressers for a little pampering. The last thing we want is to get grief from the person handling our hair.
 
You may have a case.

Only you can decide if it's worth pursuing. These kinds of cases can be long and drawn out, and things can get ugly.

Pursing legal action by yourself would be very difficult. If you have a legal group such as ACLU representing you it might succeed. Without free legal assistance or an advocacy group to support you, it would be rough, especially since huge financial damages probably aren't in the picture.

I'm sorry you had to experience such unprofessional, mean-spirited behavior. It was especially discouraging I'm sure, since most of us ladies go to our hairdressers for a little pampering. The last thing we want is to get grief from the person handling our hair.

Yeah, I don't know if pursuing legal action would be possible or not, I will look into it but if not at least I can tell people what happened and they can decide for themselves if they want to be customers/continue to be customers at this hair salon or not. Someone suggested posting this stuff on craigslist and other sites as well as blogs so that more people can read about what happened, so I may do that, I'm already getting a bit of publicity in the Deaf community here just from this thread alone, today at Six Flags I had a Deaf friend come up to me and tell me he read this thread and that he was shocked and he is supporting me in this. (You know who you are, and thank you!) I'm not letting them get away with this. It's 2009, people need to get on with the times and stop discriminating against people for whatever reason. All this for a simple haircut...geez.

I will at least be calling the BBB and the TCC on Monday to see what they have to say about this.
 
LuciaDisturbed, I'm so sorry that happen to you.If it was me I would not let it go. I would talk to someone about it to see if something could be done. It just plain wrong.
 
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