I was discriminated at the hair salon today (Friday)...

[Liebling:-)))]

yes I dislike misinformation

This is your problem.

are you sure? you're saying Cheri and I are right.

No, it support my claim.

Example of all.

This is a discrimination IF Lucia got fired by her Employer or refused to offer Lucia a job because she don´t go to church.

This is a harrassment IF a person ignored Lucia´s answer and continue to insist her to go church and then refuse to cut her hair unless she go to church first.

It´s fine with me if a lady refused to cut my hair unless I go to church first because it´s lady´s problem not mine. There´re PLENTY of hairdress salon around, they are happy to cut my hair for money.

Oh yes I would feel harassed if they ignored my answer to continue to bother me over their belief.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

that is the weird thing i ever heard jeez

that is very immature of them for doing that to you. If they do that to other people too then they will lose the business i am sure of.

Yes it´s very werid... they would lost their business...

 

[Rio]

Just respect Lucia's own words, discrimination. No debate, that's her feeling.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, your right.

Harassment is often misunderstanding term. What it means is that one wants to make unwanted conversations while engaging activities other than what conversation was about or what the intention of meeting somebody about. Harasser tend to try to be reasoning and try convince you to follow what harasser wants you to do.

Discrimination in other word really means do not want something or someone without any conversation or reasoning. For example, I cant hire you because your deaf, that is clearly discrimination.

Exactly

 

[Jiro]

This is your problem.

No, it support my claim.

Example of all.

This is a discrimination IF Lucia got fired by her Employer or refused to offer Lucia a job because she don´t go to church.

This is a harrassment IF a person ignored Lucia´s answer and continue to insist her to go church and then refuse to cut her hair unless she go to church first.

It´s fine with me if a lady refused to cut my hair unless I go to church first. It´s lady´s problem, not mine, There´re PLENTY of hairdress salon, they will be happy to cut my hair money.

Oh yes I would feel harassed if they ignored my answer to continue to bother me over their belief.

sorry nope. Discrimination Law does not solely apply to employment. It applies to real estate, patron services, etc. In this country - NO ONE is allowed to discriminate people based on gender, sex, race, and religion.

It is a discrimination if:
-I'm the store owner and you came into my store. I tell you to go away because I don't like German people cuz of Nazi thing
-I'm the restaurant waiter and I refused to provide service for you because I hate white people
-I'm the manager of Wal-Mart and I hire only Asian people
-I'm the building owner and I refuse to rent a room to you because you are of different religion. I told you to go convert into Islam and then come back.

It is a harassment if:
-I approach to you at your work and I say - woooo baby I like those melons! can I have some?
-I come closer to you to look down your blouse or pretend to drop the pencil and pick it up so i can look under your skirt
-I make any sexually-suggestive gesture in front of you without saying anything to you
-I bother you everyday to make you join my Church
-I am a school bully and I pick on your child at school everyday, make fun of him, insult him, embarrass him, trash-talk him just because he's a Christian or homosexual.
-I am a cop who abused my power to bother you just because I don't like you for whatever the reason

Simply put - Discrimination is when you refuse to provide service for a person or to hire a person based on gender, race, sex, or religion. Harassment is when you alienate the person based on gender, race, sex, or religion.

They refused to provide service for Lucia because of her religious status and that is a discrimination. End of Discussion.

 

[TWA]

Sounds like BOTH harassment and discrimination to me. But, does anyone know the legal rights of customers here? I think a private business can refuse to serve anyone for whatever reason they want, right? Isn't that what those signs that say, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are all about? I know that the ADA protects customers with disabilities, and there are numerous laws about illegally discriminating against employees, but are there the same legal protections for customers based on religion, race, sexual orientation, and gender? I could be completely wrong here, but if it is the case, then Lucia really would have no legal recourse, which sucks because this was a terrible experience. I'm sorry you had to go through it, Lucia.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jiro, Lucia´s thread is not a debate.

I am here to response my view to Luica like what DHB did.

Again, I am not here to make a debate or correct anyone but explain why I gave DHB right, that´s all.


I end the discussion with you here to respect Lucia´s thread.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Sounds like BOTH harassment and discrimination to me. But, does anyone know the legal rights of customers here? I think a private business can refuse to serve anyone for whatever reason they want, right? Isn't that what those signs that say, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are all about? I know that the ADA protects customers with disabilities, and there are numerous laws about illegally discriminating against employees, but are there the same legal protections for customers based on religion, race, sexual orientation, and gender? I could be completely wrong here, but if it is the case, then Lucia really would have no legal recourse, which sucks because this was a terrible experience. I'm sorry you had to go through it, Lucia.

Exactly, I was like confused by Jiro´s post about the law. I tried to explain Jiro that I can go other salon if the hairstylist refuse to cut my hair. It´s legal that she CAN refuse to cut my hair. I can´t force hairstylist to do what I want because she don´t want to. I cannot sue a lady for refuse to cut my hair because the court will tell me to go other salon. No problem...

The resturant owner, hairdress owner, or whatever can do what they wants with their business. Ít´s a legal. Yes I know it´s suck... really very sad...

 

[Jiro]

Sounds like BOTH harassment and discrimination to me. But, does anyone know the legal rights of customers here? I think a private business can refuse to serve anyone for whatever reason they want, right? Isn't that what those signs that say, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" are all about? I know that the ADA protects customers with disabilities, and there are numerous laws about illegally discriminating against employees, but are there the same legal protections for customers based on religion, race, sexual orientation, and gender? I could be completely wrong here, but if it is the case, then Lucia really would have no legal recourse, which sucks because this was a terrible experience. I'm sorry you had to go through it, Lucia.

Yes absolutely - they do reserve the rights to refuse the service to patrons (as long as they did not state the specific). that's where the train will ends and tough luck for you. HOWEVER - they refused the service BASED ON RELIGION. Lucia has the proof on her hands that they refused to provide the service BECAUSE of her religious status. That is a federal violation.

-If Lucia came and the store said - "sorry no. go home." Then that's too bad for Lucia.
-If Lucia came and the store asked - "you love Jesus? You go to church? oh my heaven - you're a Jesus lover but you don't go to church? GET OUT!"

a very crystal-clear distinction - a discrimination based on religion.

 

[shel90]

Huh @ this thread. Lucia was discriminated..it is clear as a bell.

 

[Lissa]

It's discrimination due to religion. Just move on and agree to differ!

 

[Lissa]

I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience at the hair salon!! Stupid people!!

 

[saywhatkid]

Soon it will become a locked thread. Agree to disagree. Simple.

 

[TWA]

Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. So what took place today with Lucia was illegal because they made it clear they were refusing her service based on religious grounds? And she's got it all written down on paper! Great proof! I say sue for all they're worth!

Yes absolutely - they do reserve the rights to refuse the service to patrons (as long as they did not state the specific). that's where the train will ends and tough luck for you. HOWEVER - they refused the service BASED ON RELIGION. Lucia has the proof on her hands that they refused to provide the service BECAUSE of her religious status. That is a federal violation.

-If Lucia came and the store said - "sorry no. go home." Then that's too bad for Lucia.
-If Lucia came and the store asked - "you love Jesus? You go to church? oh my heaven - you're a Jesus lover but you don't go to church? GET OUT!"

a very crystal-clear distinction - a discrimination based on religion.

 

[ASLGAL]

it's because they are superstitious. Religious people like that do not like to touch "soul-less" person's hair. It's superstitious thing.

Really? I never heard of such a thing. A soul-less person? Wow >shaking my head<

wow. Hmmmm next time they ask you about religion , how about say 'Im from a muslin family

Usually we get Jehovah Witnesses knocking at the door Grummer, I tell them I am Catholic and watch them almost fall running away

The local BBB is a good idea. They must keep those complaints on file and report them to anyone asking.

 

[Frisky Feline]

any witnesses or is were you alone?

if you were alone, it is your word against theirs. they could deny you were even there.

forget about the BS and move on with your life

yeah thats true. if someone else were there. that would be perfect evidence.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro, Lucia´s thread is not a debate.

I am here to response my view to Luica like what DHB did.

Again, I am not here to make a debate or correct anyone but explain why I gave DHB right, that´s all.


I end the discussion with you here to respect Lucia´s thread.

I understand but I'm here to explain and clarify a very very very specific scope of the law regarding discrimination and harassment.

Exactly, I was like confused by Jiro´s post about the law. I tried to explain Jiro that I can go other salon if the hairstylist refuse to cut my hair. It´s legal that she CAN refuse to cut my hair. I can´t force hairstylist to do what I want because she don´t want to. I cannot sue a lady for refuse to cut my hair because the court will tell me to go other salon. No problem...

The resturant owner, hairdress owner, or whatever can do what they wants with their business. Ít´s a legal. Yes I know it´s suck... really very sad...

This has nothing to do with Lucia's situation. It's not sad at all. In most cases - they refuse the service to certain people for their own liability reason.. (as long as they did not state anything discriminating).

For example - they did not want to provide service for you because you're deaf so they asked you to leave without saying anything (discriminating). That is perfectly legal and maybe they do have a reason to refuse you. Maybe because they're worried for your and their safety due to miscommunication and misunderstanding. or maybe it's simply an economical decision because it takes longer for them to provide service for you when that time can be better spent to use on 3 other customers for same amount of time.

Who knows? yes it sucks but it's life. it happens to any kind of people.

 

[Moon-child]

That is just horrible, crazy. I am happy that you got your hair looking great on your own, kudos to you, and a hug.

 

[Jiro]

Interesting. Thanks for clearing that up. So what took place today with Lucia was illegal because they made it clear they were refusing her service based on religious grounds? And she's got it all written down on paper! Great proof! I say sue for all they're worth!

yep. right there in Lucia's post -

I was still talking to my fiance on the SK3 and that's when they noticed my SK3 and that's when they had the "oh shit" faces and went "get the notes, get the notes" but I had already took the notes away and put them in my pocket and that was when one of the women tried to paw me but I simply stepped back and said "hands-off please" (with the universal "stop" gesture using both hands - I don't like to be touched and pawed) and then they got another piece of paper and wrote to ask where the notes were at and that's when I said "Why? Are you afraid I'm going to report you?" and that's they told me to get out, to that of course I replied, "okay" and left, only pausing outside to note the address, name, and phone number of the shop, and then went along on my way to go to a store to buy my own clippers so I could do my hair myself. Unfortunately I was unable to get the names of the women that was there. Clearly they realized they did discriminate me, that's why they got all frantic about the notes, they knew that I had proof.

I bet Lucia's like BOO-YAH! to them The women were wise enough not to forcibly grab notes out of her otherwise it would escalate to battery charge.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I understand but I'm here to explain and clarify a very very very specific scope of the law regarding discrimination and harassment.



This has nothing to do with Lucia's situation. It's not sad at all. In most cases - they refuse the service to certain people for their own liability reason.. (as long as they did not state anything discriminating).

For example - they did not want to provide service for you because you're deaf so they asked you to leave without saying anything (discriminating). That is perfectly legal and maybe they do have a reason to refuse you. Maybe because they're worried for your and their safety due to miscommunication and misunderstanding. or maybe it's simply an economical decision because it takes longer for them to provide service for you when that time can be better spent to use on 3 other customers for same amount of time.

Who knows? yes it sucks but it's life. it happens to any kind of people.

Therefore yes, you are right. It´s a legal for them to refuse you without use your disablitiy reason. (yes it´s suck, I agree).