Bush-era interrogation memo: No torture without 'severe pain' intent

[Jiro]

Please see your post #73. You seem to be fixated on bringing the war and soldiers into the topic.

it's in response to your post. Perhaps you shouldn't have mentioned it first.

 

[Byrdie714]

so Jillio's experience which is based on "chit-chat" is an EPIC FAIL too?

No because of this statement that she mentioned:

It is not a cheap cop out at all. Its the truth. I have spoken in detail with many friends and family members who fought on the front lines. Their experience is much more valid than the fairy tale ideal from someone who has never even served in the military, much less fought in a war.

And you might want to keep in mind that this thread is about the actions of the CIA under The DOJ recommendations during the Bush adminsitration.

Try talking to a soldier that has experienced the horrors, Jiro. It would change that head in the sand, fairy tale perspective you seem to hold onto.

Now she has spoken to them and went furthur by stating that " their experience is much more valid than the fairy tale ideal from someone who has never served in the militay," Secondly just because one listens to stories from military personel doesn't necessairly qualify them to be an "expert"

The real experts on the horrors of war are the veterans themselves.

btw - listening to their stories and then having a privilege to criticize does not make you any more qualified than me. You're the criticizer. I'm the supporter. That's ok. it's life as well.

To paint Jillio as a non-military supporter is obstinate due to the fact that she has repeatedly stated that she has spoken to them. Probably as a friend, probably as a psychologist.

However one thing does concern me about your arguments: you have a unnecessary, unhealthy obsession to be in a military position that you will never be able to obtain. Which makes me think that you are still having acceptance issues with your deafness since we know that deaf individuals can't serve in the military.

 

[SoS]

Okay, for example, if some "terrorists" broke in your house and rape your daughter and killed your hubby, what will you do when the CIA got five "terrorist" suspects and none is talking. You want the CIA to beat the crap out of them to find out which one will talk and admit it? I bet you would since you want to take them to court and burn them to hell for what they did to your family. Take that example as country trying to defense ourselves against anyone is trying to fuck with us.

 

[jillio]

why? You're the one who have problem with them. Not me.


I was contacted by DLA and they asked if I were interested. Of course I said yes even though I was over-qualified for it. I notified him of my latest status because the position is usually reserved for college student with 1-2 semesters left to go but I graduated 2 semesters early so he thanked me and put me in the list for available position that's more suitable for me. It takes time. meanwhile - I'm gathering all the work experience so I can serve for them (or any other 3-letters agencies) better.

So, in other words, all your claims of "serving" the veterans is false.

I don't have a problem with veterans at all. Can't imagine how you managed to come up with that one.

 

[jillio]

Okay, for example, if some "terrorists" broke in your house and rape your daughter and killed your hubby, what will you do when the CIA got five "terrorist" suspects and none is talking. You want the CIA to beat the crap out of them to find out which one will talk and admit it? I bet you would since you want to take them to court and burn them to hell for what they did to your family. Take that example as country trying to defense ourselves against anyone is trying to fuck with us.

CIA would not be involved in the case you described. The FBI might, but most likely it would be the local police dept. Caqn't compare those two situations. And the fact still remains that if one uses terrorist tactics against a terrorist, then they are simply the same as what they claim to be fighting against.

 

[Jiro]

Hardly chit-chat. I delve deeper into the subject that superficial chit-chat. That is something you appear to have difficulty doing. Additionally, I have talked to the men that have been there done that, not those playing soldier at a party.

"playing soldier" at the party? Did you just read what I just wrote (post 73)? How do you know what I have talked about with them? Do you know who were at the party? It's interesting that you seem to assume that I'm only interested in "omg!!!! how many did you kill???? did you ever get shot???? wowowowowow" :roll:

I think it is very disrespectful of you to say that because you just basically said to those who have served their country are nothing but a toy GI Joe.

WOW... can't you get any more shameless? :roll: Now you are a Domestic Dissent. Sic'em, DD Dog!

 

[SoS]

CIA would not be involved in the case you described. The FBI might, but most likely it would be the local police dept.

That well may be true, however, I am using a local level crime as an example of how a country defense themselves against terrorist at an international level.

 

[Byrdie714]

"playing soldier" at the party? Did you just read what I just wrote (post 73)? How do you know what I have talked about with them? Do you know who were at the party? It's interesting that you seem to assume that I'm only interested in "omg!!!! how many did you kill???? did you ever get shot???? wowowowowow" :roll:

I think it is very disrespectful of you to say that because you just basically said to those who have served their country are nothing but a toy GI Joe.

WOW... can't you get any more shameless? :roll: Now you are a Domestic Dissent. Sic'em, DD Dog!

What's shameless is an individual that is pretending to be something that their not.

In this case: being in the military.

We all know that you like to "play soldier" as you have documented and shown pictures of you doing "military excercises". However--it doesn't equate to being an active military personel.

Sorry Jiro--truth sucks but it's part of life. There are things I would like to do but can't due to being deaf but I've learned to accept it.

 

[jillio]

"playing soldier" at the party? Did you just read what I just wrote (post 73)? How do you know what I have talked about with them? Do you know who were at the party? It's interesting that you seem to assume that I'm only interested in "omg!!!! how many did you kill???? did you ever get shot???? wowowowowow" :roll:

I think it is very disrespectful of you to say that because you just basically said to those who have served their country are nothing but a toy GI Joe.

WOW... can't you get any more shameless? :roll: Now you are a Domestic Dissent. Sic'em, DD Dog!

How do I know. You have told us.

I have never said anything of the kind. But it is very typical of you to read things that aren't there. Evidently you do it all the time when reading news articles and history books.

What is shameless is for you to falsely claim that you are doing anything to "serve" the nobel veterans of this country.

And since you obviously missed the point, a West Point student has not served on the front lines of a war, nor have you. So my reference was as much toward you "playing soldier" as to anyone else. To attempt to align yourself with those that have fought on the front lines, and experienced the horrors of war first hand is the most insulting thing you can do to our war veterans. Shame on you, Jiro.

 

[Jiro]

CIA would not be involved in the case you described. The FBI might, but most likely it would be the local police dept. Caqn't compare those two situations. And the fact still remains that if one uses terrorist tactics against a terrorist, then they are simply the same as what they claim to be fighting against.

Under Patriot Acts, CIA can be involved if they are declared as terrorists. But in SoS's scenario - they are not really terrorists... they're just murderous rapists so no CIA won't be involved.

 

[jillio]

That well may be true, however, I am using a local level crime as an example of how a country defense themselves against terrorist at an international level.

But the two cannot be accurately compared.

 

[Jiro]

How do I know. You have told us.

You already read my post #73.

Please see your post #73. You seem to be fixated on bringing the war and soldiers into the topic.

I have never said anything of the kind. But it is very typical of you to read things that aren't there. Evidently you do it all the time when reading news articles and history books.

What is shameless is for you to falsely claim that you are doing anything to "serve" the nobel veterans of this country.

<pat on your head> it's ok.

 

[SoS]

But the two cannot be accurately compared.

In your book, yes. Whats the name of it?

Epic Fail!

 

[jillio]

You already read my post #73.




<pat on your head> it's ok.

Don't patronize me. You aren't skilled enough to pull it off. Especially not when you have just been caught red handed in a lie. LOL

 

[Jiro]

What's shameless is an individual that is pretending to be something that their not.

In this case: being in the military.

We all know that you like to "play soldier" as you have documented and shown pictures of you doing "military excercises". However--it doesn't equate to being an active military personel.

Sorry Jiro--truth sucks but it's part of life. There are things I would like to do but can't due to being deaf but I've learned to accept it.

it's because my veteran friend wanted to teach me how to survive in the nature. That's why I dressed minimum at cold, snowy mountain. for ie - what if your plane crashed at Andes Mountain? I surely don't want to eat human meat.

So no this is not some militia camp - they're nothing but a bunch of GI Joe wannabees and rejects. and I have never claimed to pretend like one. Care to show me where I have said it?

and yes truth sucks and it's part of life. That's why you guys get to flap your gum and preach about law & order while they're out there, doing things that law & order book does not matter anymore. It doesn't stop the bullet

 

[Jiro]

Don't patronize me. You aren't skilled enough to pull it off. Especially not when you have just been caught red handed in a lie. LOL

? um.... ok <pat on your head>

 

[jillio]

In your book, yes. Whats the name of it?

Epic Fail!

:roll: Must you parrot someone else?

 

[Jiro]

No because of this statement that she mentioned:

Now she has spoken to them and went furthur by stating that " their experience is much more valid than the fairy tale ideal from someone who has never served in the militay," Secondly just because one listens to stories from military personel doesn't necessairly qualify them to be an "expert"

The real experts on the horrors of war are the veterans themselves.

right and my friends are the one. and one was in the casket box.

To paint Jillio as a non-military supporter is obstinate due to the fact that she has repeatedly stated that she has spoken to them. Probably as a friend, probably as a psychologist.

Right. And I have spoken to them as friend.

However one thing does concern me about your arguments: you have a unnecessary, unhealthy obsession to be in a military position that you will never be able to obtain. Which makes me think that you are still having acceptance issues with your deafness since we know that deaf individuals can't serve in the military.

It's because I understand the price and consequence of what it takes to let people like you to continue to flap your gum about war and laws. It's not just military. It's the public service that I'm interested in.

Military is not all about big guns and explosions. It's also the intelligence and science - a major portion of it. *hint - DARPA*

 

[Byrdie714]

and yes truth sucks and it's part of life. That's why you guys get to flap your gum and preach about law & order while they're out there, doing things that law & order book does not matter anymore. It doesn't stop the bullet

Then I get to go after them for not adhereing to "that law & order" book. :roll:

Not only criminals but the same individuals that swore to uphold "that law & order book."

 

[SoS]

:roll: Must you parrot someone else?

I been this way long before I knew AD and Jiro. So your statement is fault.

Back to my question...what is the name of the book?