Obama represents family values

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Jiro said:
i'm sorry but nope. She's not going to agree with you on this case. Again - contact her to learn about rape victims.


yep... too bad... same for millions and millions of rape victims who did not report it or lost the case because of lack of evidence and/or credibility and/or emotional strength.... yep... too bad...
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Or threatening her or her family.
 
I watched "W".
If I am going to comment on it I read it, watch it, and so on.

I thought it an interesting parody.

What about Bush? He did not cheat and lie to his wife Laura with other women but he did cheated and lied to people, America and world.
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Your opinion Liebling and you are entitled to it, but I have to ask....Why so defensive of Clinton and demeaning of Bush?
You state that a persons personal life should have no affect and hold no weight but it appears to only apply to Clinton and Obama for you.

I know a lot about Bush for past 8 years thru political news TV.
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I am not sure I'd bet the farm on the information generated through political news TV, unless you can be sure they are unbiased.
 
ASLGAL said:
Why so defensive of Clinton and demeaning of Bush?
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because according to Liebling's post - Bush "killed" people with his lie while Clinton's lie killed no one..... :roll:

absolutely fallacious, IMO....
 
Say what you want about Clinton's choices/actions during his presidency, but if you think he is more likely to lie than other presidents just because he lied about the whole Monica thing... isn't that naive thinking? As if the other presidents never lied.... because they didn't get caught nor have enough evidence to tie them to whatever crime.

I don't like what Clinton did, but to me, it doesn't have anything to do with our country, except maybe from a role model standpoint. If Bush did cheat on his wife, would it make sense for someone to say "See? He started the Iraq War because he is the type of guy to cheat on his wife." One has NOTHING to do with the other.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Say what you want about Clinton's choices/actions during his presidency, but if you think he is more likely to lie than other presidents just because he lied about the whole Monica thing... isn't that naive thinking? As if the other presidents never lied.... because they didn't get caught nor have enough evidence to tie them to whatever crime.

I don't like what Clinton did, but to me, it doesn't have anything to do with our country, except maybe from a role model standpoint. If Bush did cheat on his wife, would it make sense for someone to say "See? He started the Iraq War because he is the type of guy to cheat on his wife." One has NOTHING to do with the other.
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the difference is... Clinton lied UNDER OATH in front of US Senates. He was being impeached for perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. I mean.. wow... the 2nd President to be impeached since 1868. that's a serious matter. I see that a lot of you and including me are finger-pointing at Bush for wrongdoings, lying, abuse of power, etc.... but I don't see anybody impeaching Bush. Obviously - Bush has been doing it right (and even Obama is following his security policies) even though it was controversial.

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Jiro said:
the difference is... Clinton lied UNDER OATH in front of US Senates. He was being impeached for perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power. I mean.. wow... the 2nd President to be impeached since 1868. that's a serious matter. I see that a lot of you and including me are finger-pointing at Bush for wrongdoings, lying, abuse of power, etc.... but I don't see anybody impeaching Bush. Obviously - Bush has been doing it right (and even Obama is following his security policies) even though it was controversial.

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I find it interesting that you assume that he hasn't changed the security policies because he likes them, not because he doesn't want to make rash decisions? If he changed them NOW (within a few months of being in office), I'd be suspicious of him making haste decisions that would cost MORE $$$$.

Impeaching a president is easier when you have concrete evidence and can blame it on a SINGLE person. How the HECK do you blame something so complicated like Iraq War on a single person? Even Nixon's almost impeachment was based on something more simple and concrete (covering up illegal activities). But... Iraq War...?
 
Daredevel7 said:
I find it interesting that you assume that he hasn't changed the security policies because he likes them, not because he doesn't want to make rash decisions? If he changed them NOW (within a few months of being in office), I'd be suspicious of him making haste decisions that would cost MORE $$$$.
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I assumed he hasn't change the security policies because he likes them? no ma'am. You assumed quite wrong. it's because Obama realized Bush was right for the whole time. Obama has been preaching day and night, left and right about what he's gonna do about Bush's policies... and now he's adopting Bush's policies.... :roll: Beside - he already made a rash decision... by closing down Gitmo Camp within a year and suspending due process for Gitmo Prisoners. BIG MISTAKE! :nono:

Daredevel7 said:
Impeaching a president is easier when you have concrete evidence and can blame it on a SINGLE person. How the HECK do you blame something so complicated like Iraq War on a single person? Even Nixon's almost impeachment was based on something more simple and concrete (covering up illegal activities). But... Iraq War...?
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impeaching President is NEVER EASY. NEVER. Nixon's case wasn't that simple either but of course... we'll never know because he resigned. He resigned not because his impeachment is a crystal-clear case but to preserve the integrity and the secrecy of government.
 
Clinton raped and sexual assaulted women before and during in office. The liberal NYT even counted the days Hillary and Bill spent apart. Don't know what they do when they are together in the same house, but I'm sure it is less when Stallone and Nielsen were together to make the loudest noise in the house. I always thought leftist girls were that easy....
Monica graduated from an elite British school, LSE (IIRC), not an easy feat.
 
DURAY said:
Clinton raped and sexual assaulted women before and during in office. The liberal NYT even counted the days Hillary and Bill spent apart. Don't know what they do when they are together in the same house, but I'm sure it is less when Stallone and Nielsen were together to make the loudest noise in the house. I always thought leftist girls were that easy....
Monica graduated from an elite British school, LSE (IIRC), not an easy feat.
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DURAY said:
Clinton raped and sexual assaulted women before and during in office. The liberal NYT even counted the days Hillary and Bill spent apart. Don't know what they do when they are together in the same house, but I'm sure it is less when Stallone and Nielsen were together to make the loudest noise in the house. I always thought leftist girls were that easy....
Monica graduated from an elite British school, LSE (IIRC), not an easy feat.
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Link regarding Clinton's behavior toward women please? While I thought his affair with Monica certainly was grounds for divorce, I thought impeachment was overkill.
 
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