Obama authorizes relief for Gaza

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Reba said:
The Hamas have an established pattern of behavior which does make their actions predictable.
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As has Israel. Prediction does not include intent.
 
Byrdie714 said:
No--we do. We have choose not to respect the Palestinians decision in who they chosse for their leadership. So much for freedom.
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What are you talking about? Just because I don't want our tax dollars ending up in the hands of Hamas for the purchase of weapons doesn't meant I advocate the violent overthrow of Hamas.

No different than what the United States does when it takes things and sells it. "Eminent Domain" comes to mind.
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So are you saying that it's OK to do that or not? Or are you trying to make America look as bad as Hamas?

There is no evidence that they have been auctioning them off.
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At least no evidence that you would ever accept.

Ethnocentrism card? It's evident you are showing it. :)
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You brought it up, not me. Do you think your position seems stronger if you besmirch my character?
 
Reba said:
What are you talking about? Just because I don't want our tax dollars ending up in the hands of Hamas for the purchase of weapons doesn't meant I advocate the violent overthrow of Hamas.


So are you saying that it's OK to do that or not? Or are you trying to make America look as bad as Hamas?


At least no evidence that you would ever accept.


You brought it up, not me. Do you think your position seems stronger if you besmirch my character?
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Kind of like you have tried to do here?

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/62389-u-s-soldier-sentenced-life-iraqi-killings.html
 
Israel takes control of more West Bank land
By KARIN LAUB – 5 days ago

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel has taken control of a large chunk of land near a prominent West Bank settlement, paving the way for the possible construction of 2,500 settlement homes, officials said Monday, in a new challenge to Mideast peacemaking.

Successive Israeli governments have broken promises to the United States to halt settlement expansion, defined by Washington as an obstacle to peace. Ongoing expansion is likely to create friction not only with the Palestinians, but with President Barack Obama, whose Mideast envoy, George Mitchell, has long pushed for a settlement freeze. Obama has said he'd get involved quickly in Mideast peace efforts.

The composition of Israel's next government is not clear yet following inconclusive elections last week. However, right-wing parties are given a better chance to form a ruling coalition, with hardline leader Benjamin Netanyahu at the helm.

Netanyahu supports settlement expansion and has derided peace talks with the Palestinians as a waste of time, saying he would focus instead of trying to improve the Palestinian economy. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has dismissed Netanyahu's approach as a non-starter, and his aides said recently that peace talks can only resume after a settlement freeze.

At the center of the latest expansion plans is Efrat, a settlement of about 1,600 families south of Jerusalem.

The mayor of Efrat, Oded Revivi, said the Israeli military designated 425 acres (172 hectares) near Efrat as so-called state land two weeks ago at the end of a lengthy appeals process. He said nine appeals were filed by Palestinian landowners, adding that eight were rejected and one was upheld.

Revivi said Efrat plans to build 2,500 homes on that land, but that several steps of government approval would still be needed before construction could begin — a process that could take years. Eventually, Efrat is to grow to a city of 30,000 people, he said.

The settlement is situated in one of the three major settlement blocs that Israel expects to hold on to in any final peace deal. Palestinian reaction to the latest development was not immediately available.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israel's peace partner, warned that continued settlement expansion would cripple peace talks.

"We oppose settlement activity in principle and if the settlement activity doesn't stop, any meetings (with the Israelis) will be worthless," Abbas said.

Nearly 290,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements today, or 95,000 more than in May 2001 when Mitchell first called for a settlement freeze. At the time, he led a fact-finding mission to Israel and the Palestinian territories to find a way to end months of violence and resume peace talks.

Mitchell called on the Palestinians to halt attacks on Israelis and demanded that Israel halt construction in settlements.

In other developments Monday, Palestinian rockets exploded in southern Israel and Israeli jets bombed the Egypt-Gaza border as talks dragged on over a long-term truce that would bring quiet to the coastal territory.

Israel has been battling Gaza's Hamas rulers, while simultaneously pursuing a peace agreement with Abbas' rival government in the West Bank.

In Monday's violence, two rockets fired from Gaza landed in Israel, the Israeli military said, a near-daily occurrence even after the devastating three-week Israeli offensive that was meant to bring a halt to the fire. No one was injured, the military said.

Several hours later, Israeli jets bombed an area of smuggling tunnels in the frontier town of Rafah, according residents and Hamas security officials. Israel's military said the strike targeted a tunnel used to smuggle weapons in from Egypt and was retaliation for the rocket fire.

Israel ended its military offensive in Gaza on Jan. 18, and the territory's Islamic Hamas rulers declared a cease-fire the same day. But sporadic violence has continued as Egypt tries to mediate a long-term truce.

Hamas is demanding that Israel open Gaza's blockaded border crossings, but Israel says it will fully open the crossings only after Hamas releases Sgt. Gilad Schalit, an Israeli tank crewman captured in June 2006. Israel is allowing in only humanitarian aid, and on Monday was to allow some 200 aid trucks and fuel for Gaza's power plant to enter the territory, the military said.

Hamas wants Israel to release hundreds of prisoners in return for Schalit, including high-ranking militants and the masterminds of deadly suicide bombings.

Israel's top leadership is scheduled to meet this week to formulate a response to Hamas' demands.
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The Associated Press: Israel takes control of more West Bank land
 
I guess the "We Love HAMAS" folks forget the objective of this terrorist organization...

Domination,
Subjegation,
Annihilation,
They do not care which as long as they can take over the world for Allah and Islam.




Hamas' dead baby strategy
Cynical ploy must be exposed and rejected

The Hamas "dead baby" strategy - to cause as many civilian casualties as possible by firing its deadly rockets from schools and densely populated areas - is producing understandable outrage around the world. What is not understandable is why the outrage is directed against Israel, which is a victim of this strategy, rather than against Hamas, which is its perpetrator. Hamas knew exactly what it was doing when it fired more than 6,000 rockets at Israeli kindergartens, elementary schools and playgrounds from behind its own children. It was playing Russian roulette with the lives of Israeli children in order to provoke a defensive response from Israel.

~snip~

The media, of course, serves as Hamas' facilitator. I am not suggesting that the media not show these horrible images, but rather that they should present them with a critical perspective, indicating the actual cause and the real culprit - namely Hamas and its cynical double war crime strategy of targeting Israeli children and hiding behind Palestinian children. A cartoon that is making its way around the internet does a better job of explaining the Hamas strategy than any photograph or video. It shows an Israeli soldier and a Hamas terrorist shooting at each other. The Israeli soldier is standing in front of a baby carriage, protecting the baby. The Hamas terrorist is firing from behind a baby carriage, using the baby as a shield. That is the reality.

The international community - most especially the United Nations, which has done nothing about genocides committed by Muslims - is accusing Israel of "war crimes" for defending its civilians against Hamas war crimes. This too is part of the Hamas strategy which the United Nations facilitates.

~snip~

The Hamas strategy may now be spreading to Lebanon where twice in several days, rockets have targeted Israeli civilian areas. Hezbollah, which denies responsibility for these rockets, actually originated this strategy in the summer of 2006, when it provoked Israel into trying to defend its citizens and its kidnapped soldiers. Other nations in the world are susceptible to similar strategies, as the United States learned, when it went after the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and discovered that they too use civilians as human shields.

Unless this "dead baby" strategy is exposed and rejected in the marketplace of morality, it's coming to a theater (or school or hospital) near you.

Washington Times - DERSHOWITZ: Hamas' dead baby strategy
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Hamas' strategy in Gaza

Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabiclanguage cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

-Associated Press, December 27

Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis-6,464 launched from Gaza in the last three years-deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

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For Hamas the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable liveaction Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

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Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world's opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire-exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d'etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel.


NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas' News Source
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Militant Islam Threatens Us All
Hamas rockets have the same terror goal as Hitler's blitz.

By BENJAMIN NETANYAHU
Imagine a siren that gives you 30 seconds to find shelter before a Kassam rocket falls from the sky and explodes, spraying its lethal shrapnel in all directions. Now imagine this happens day after day, month after month, year after year.

If you can imagine that, you can begin to understand the terror to which hundreds of thousands of Israelis have been subjected. Three years ago Israel withdrew from every square inch of Gaza. And since that withdrawal, our civilians have been targeted by more than 6,000 rockets and mortars fired from Gaza. In the face of this relentless bombardment, Israel has acted with a restraint that other countries, faced with a similar threat, would find hard to fathom. Israel's government has finally decided to respond.

For this action to succeed, we must first have moral clarity. There is no moral equivalence between Israel, a democracy which seeks peace and targets the terrorists, and Hamas, an Iranian-backed terror organization that seeks Israel's destruction and targets the innocent.

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We fight to defend ourselves, but in so doing we are also fighting a fanatical ideology that seeks to reverse the course of history and throw the civilized world back into a new dark age. The struggle between militant Islam and modernity -- whether fought in Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Gaza -- will decide our common future. It is a battle we cannot afford to lose.

Benjamin Netanyahu: Militant Islam Threatens Us All - WSJ.com
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THE DEMONS OF GAZA

Israel hasn't killed a single civilian in the Gaza Strip. Over a hundred civilians have died, and Israeli bombs or shells may have ended their lives. But Israel didn't kill them.

Hamas did.

It's time to smash the lies. The lies of Hamas. The UN lies. And the save-the-terrorists lies of the global media.

There is no moral equivalence between Hamas terrorists and Israeli soldiers. There is no gray area. There is no point in negotiations.

Hamas is a Jew-killing machine. It exists to destroy Israel. What is there to negotiate?

When Hamas can't kill Jews, it's perfectly willing to drive Palestinian civilians into the line of fire - old men, women and children. Hamas herds the innocent into "shelters," then draws Israeli fire on them. And the headline-greedy media cheer them on.

THE DEMONS OF GAZA - New York Post
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Hamas Reinstates Crucifixions of Christians

While the world focused on Hamas militants launching rockets from Gaza at southern Israel, the terrorist organization also voted quietly to implement Islamic law in the Gaza Strip, including crucifixion of Christians, according to reports in the Arabic press.


The traditional Muslim criminal code, known as Sharia law, includes penalties such as amputation of limbs for stealing and the death penalty, including crucifixion, for actions Hamas deems detrimental to “Palestinian interests,” including collaborating with Israel.


The new law was reported on the Al-Arabiya Web site and in the London-based Saudi-owned newspaper Al-Hayat, which wrote that the implementation of Sharia law has “brought criticism and concern from human rights organizations in the Gaza Strip.”


But the media scarcely took notice when the decision was reported during the Christian holidays as fighting between Hamas and Israel escalated in late December.


Newsmax.com - Hamas Reinstates Crucifixions of Christians
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Interesting thread considering that all articles are editorial opinions that are pro-Jewish.

Why not pick up a different view-point and come to your own conclusion instead of believing everything that is "feed to you"? :roll:
 
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ASLGAL said:
I guess the "We Love HAMAS" folks forget the objective of this terrorist organization...

Domination,
Subjegation,
Annihilation,
They do not care which as long as they can take over the world for Allah and Islam.
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I agree. The more I read about Islam, the more I dislike their faith and their way of thinking. I don't like how they use women, children as human shields. In Indochina, when a big boat sinks (they don't keep it repaired too good), guess who get to use the lifeboats? Yup, men. Women and children drowned.
 
Buffalo said:
I agree. The more I read about Islam, the more I dislike their faith and their way of thinking. I don't like how they use women, children as human shields. In Indochina, when a big boat sinks (they don't keep it repaired too good), guess who get to use the lifeboats? Yup, men. Women and children drowned.
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And in the Christian world when a woman marries her husband--she must OBEY her husband and do whatever he tells her.

Islam, Judaism, Christianity aren't necessairly perfect so to speak.
 
Byrdie714 said:
Interesting thread considering that all articles are editorial opinions that are pro-Jewish.

Why not pick up a different view-point and come to your own conclusion instead of believing everything that is "feed to you"? :roll:
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I have read Joseph Farah's articles and he is a Christian. He is for Israel.
 
Buffalo said:
I have read Joseph Farah's articles and he is a Christian. He is for Israel.
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It shows that he can't think for himself.

I know that you are an anobium pertinax and there are articles of a different view point on this situation.

I suggest reading those to form one's own opinion instead of being "spoon-fed" by the media and religious organization.
 
Byrdie714 said:
And in the Christian world when a woman marries her husband--she must OBEY her husband and do whatever he tells her....
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Ephesians 5:
22. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


The Christian wife is supposed to submit to the husband the same way that the Christian man is supposed to submit to Christ. Then, just as Christ wouldn't demand anything evil of the Christian man, the husband is not supposed demand anything evil of the wife.

Christ was willing to sacrifice his life for his people, so the husband should be willing to sacrifice his life for the wife.
 
Reba said:
Ephesians 5:
22. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


The Christian wife is supposed to submit to the husband the same way that the Christian man is supposed to submit to Christ. Then, just as Christ wouldn't demand anything evil of the Christian man, the husband is not supposed demand anything evil of the wife.

Christ was willing to sacrifice his life for his people, so the husband should be willing to sacrifice his life for the wife.
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Just another tactic to get the thread locked instead of dealing with the real issue at hand.... :roll:
 
Byrdie714 said:
It shows that he can't think for himself.

I know that you are an anobium pertinax and there are articles of a different view point on this situation.

I suggest reading those to form one's own opinion instead of being "spoon-fed" by the media and religious organization.
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What do you mean that it shows that he can't think for himself??? Too many times I have heard anti-semtic Christians. Joseph Farah is the first one I have heard that spoke for Israel.

I don't think you know what 'anobium pertinax' means or you would be saying its English equivalent.
 
Reba said:
Ephesians 5:
22. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

23. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.


The Christian wife is supposed to submit to the husband the same way that the Christian man is supposed to submit to Christ. Then, just as Christ wouldn't demand anything evil of the Christian man, the husband is not supposed demand anything evil of the wife.

Christ was willing to sacrifice his life for his people, so the husband should be willing to sacrifice his life for the wife.
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Reba, would you please refrain from quoting the scriptures?
 
Buffalo said:
What do you mean that it shows that he can't think for himself??? Too many times I have heard anti-semtic Christians. Joseph Farah is the first one I have heard that spoke for Israel.

I don't think you know what 'anobium pertinax' means or you would be saying its English equivalent.
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Another word for book worm.
 
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This thread is closed since it is swaying into a religion discussion.
 
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