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Baby's body tossed with the trash at Christ Hospital in Jersey City, authorities say
by Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
Monday January 05, 2009, 5:22 PM

Police are searching in New Jersey and Pennsylvania garbage dumps for the body of a baby boy delivered at Jersey City's Christ Hospital which was apparently thrown out with the trash, authorities said today.

"This has become a search and recovery," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said this afternoon.

Hospital officials say the baby was stillborn when delivered by a Jersey City woman, Kalynn Moore, 26, on Dec. 21 and was brought to the hospital morgue. The family disputes the claim, saying that the baby was alive when delivered and declared dead 20 minutes later.

When a funeral home representative went to the morgue to pick up the body on Jan. 2, the baby could not be found, DeFazio said.

That's when police became involved and the investigation determined that the baby's body was likely discarded in trash and the trash was already gone. Jersey City Police and law enforcement officials in Pennsylvania are searching for the body in garbage dumps. Dogs from the Bergen County Prosecutor's Office are assisting, DeFazio said.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the family, and we hope to bring this unfortunate situation to a resolution as soon as possible," said a hospital spokeswoman in a statement.
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- Hudson County - NJ.com
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Oh my dear...!!! Why could the staff in the clinic throw dead newborn to trash when they know very well that the mother want a baby and hope to save baby's life.... They must have known that there're funeral arrangement instead of throw baby to trash... *shake my head*
 
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Oh my dear...!!! Why could the staff in the clinic throw dead newborn to trash when they know very well that the mother want a baby and hope to save baby's life.... They must have known that there're funeral arrangement instead of throw baby to trash... *shake my head*
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Yes, the hospital is in BIG trouble now.
 
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attn MODS:

Can you please remove posts #2 and #3, and the reference to those posts in #4 and #5?

Or should we just edit them?

:ty:
 
i wonder why the hospital did that they knew that the family need baby for the funeral. must be something so fishy over there.
 
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ERSEY CITY (AP) — Police searched garbage dumps in New Jersey and Pennsylvania on Tuesday for the body of a baby apparently thrown out with the trash at a Jersey City hospital sometime in the past two weeks.

"It's like they treated my son like he's nothing," said Kalynn Moore, the 26-year-old mother. "It hurts so bad."

Moore gave birth to Bashere Davon Moyd Jr. at Christ Hospital on Dec. 21, about a month before her due date. Her cousin Nicia Royster said she went with a nurse that day to place the corpse into the hospital's morgue.

Hospital officials went to Moore's Jersey City home on Jan. 2 and told her that a funeral home had come to pick up the remains, but they could not be found.

Police say the body was discarded in the trash, but they do not know when. The hospital has not officially said the baby was thrown in the trash but didn't dispute the police statement.

A spokeswoman for Christ Hospital said the institution is praying for the baby's family. But the family and the hospital disagree over whether Bashere was born alive.

Hospital spokeswoman Barbara Davey said in a statement that the baby was stillborn.

Moore, who has a 5-year-old son, said at a news conference Tuesday at her lawyer's office that she was in and out of consciousness in the minutes after the 5-pound boy was born. But she says the baby was born alive and that she held him briefly before doctors spent more than 20 minutes trying to stabilize the baby's heart rate before he died.

News of the case was first reported Tuesday in The Jersey Journal.

The issue of whether the child was born alive could come into play if there's a lawsuit because New Jersey law does not consider a stillborn a person. There is no birth certificate and no death certificate, and the only known photo of the child was taken after he had died.

Moore's lawyer, Michael Anise, said a lawsuit is likely and that there is no reason that a body of a baby — born alive or not — should be placed in the trash.

He said he's hoping the body can be found so that Moore can bury her child and so an autopsy can be conducted.

Anise also said he's asked the hospital to provide any surveillance videos that might show what happened.

"We are not at this point ruling out anything," he said. "The circumstances are so bizarre."

Police do not consider the case to be a criminal investigation, but it could become one, said Stan Eason, spokesman for Jersey City police.
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Baby's corpse thrown out with N.J. hospital's trash - USATODAY.com
 
"The issue of whether the child was born alive could come into play if there's a lawsuit because New Jersey law does not consider a stillborn a person. There is no birth certificate and no death certificate, and the only known photo of the child was taken after he had died."

Can anybody read this statement in bold and agree with that? That just saddens me!

Tell that to parents of any stillborn, I'll bet you almost 100% would not agree with that.
 
20 minutes later, and die. without birth certification... *scratch my head*

Burn hospital! Burn!
 
Secretblend said:
"The issue of whether the child was born alive could come into play if there's a lawsuit because New Jersey law does not consider a stillborn a person. There is no birth certificate and no death certificate, and the only known photo of the child was taken after he had died."

Can anybody read this statement in bold and agree with that? That just saddens me!

Tell that to parents of any stillborn, I'll bet you almost 100% would not agree with that.
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That's an awful law but it's a natural progression of the "it's a fetus, not a baby in the womb" abortion philosophy. I would be very curious to know the reasoning behind that legislation. :hmm:

In this case, the hospital is depending on that law to protect them from liability in their shameful neglect.
 
Reba said:
That's an awful law but it's a natural progression of the "it's a fetus, not a baby in the womb" abortion philosophy. I would be very curious to know the reasoning behind that legislation. :hmm:

In this case, the hospital is depending on that law to protect them from liability in their shameful neglect.
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Actually, a stillborn being considered a non-person was a philosophy that was in existence long before Roe v. Wade. I think you have the progression, if there is one, reversed.
 
jillio said:
Actually, a stillborn being considered a non-person was a philosophy that was in existence long before Roe v. Wade. I think you have the progression, if there is one, reversed.
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I did some research on New Jersey's law. Even if the State considers the stillborn baby to be a "non-person", it does issue a "Certificate of Birth Resulting in Stillbirth".
Forms

Also interesting is our English language. It's been called a still "birth" for centuries and now.

The State may consider these babies as "non-persons" (kind of reminds me of slavery days) but is that little girl or boy wrapped in a blanket, wearing a knit cap, with a face that looks like Mommy or Daddy, a non-person to his or her family?
 
good gracious!!! tossed the baby into garbage can!?!? :mad2:

sounds like a major miscommunication among medical staff since the baby was not legally recognized as a person.. meaning no birth certificate or whatsoever. I guess the staff probably thought they can just discard the baby as "medical waste"

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As a sidebar, I came across this while researching the NJ law:

Thirteen years ago, Joanne Cacciatore delivered a stillborn fetus, a trauma that was compounded by the fact that she received a death certificate in the mail but no birth certificate -- a tangible memento she said would have helped her grieve.

Motivated by her loss, she mounted a grassroots campaign in her home state of Arizona to get the government to give parents who deliver stillborn fetuses the option of receiving a "certificate for stillborn birth" -- and in so doing unintentionally waded into the turbulent waters of abortion politics.

Although reproductive rights advocates say they sympathize with Cacciatore, they also fear her effort -- which has since ballooned into a nationwide campaign -- could aid anti-choice groups as they attempt to chip away at or eliminate abortion rights. "There's no question in my mind that the anti-abortion crowd will look for some way to use this," Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women, has said. At issue is the question of "personhood," or when human life begins; the answer lies at the heart of the debate over abortion.

Opponents of abortion rights contend that life begins at the moment of conception, and they have sought to define embryos and fetuses as human beings with a right to life. Under their logic, abortion is murder and should be illegal. Supporters of abortion rights do not equate embryos and fetuses with full human beings. Granting "personhood" to embryos and fetuses before they are born raises their legal status and jeopardizes women's right to abortion, they say.

Abortion-rights opponents have not taken up the cause of stillborn birth certificates en masse, Cacciatore said. But pro-choice groups worry that Cacciatore's movement to enact what she calls "Missing Angels" laws, which would grant fetuses that die before they are born certificates of stillbirth, will push anti-choice groups one step further in their quest to make abortion tantamount to murder.

On average, there are more than 25,000 stillbirths a year, according to the National Center for Health Statistics in Atlanta, Ga.

NOW has not taken an official stand on the issue. But Gandy said the organization has urged local women's rights activists to oppose legislation that doesn't include language guaranteeing that certificates of stillborn birth will only be issued to fetuses that die as a result of a naturally occurring intrauterine death after the 20th week of pregnancy. NOW also stipulates that certificates must only be issued only to parents who request them.

Otherwise, aborted fetuses could be eligible for the certificates -- a sign that would confer greater status, she said. And if outside parties could request the certificates, anti-choice groups might inundate states with requests for aborted fetuses, she said.

Cacciatore says the "Missing Angels" bills should not be muddied up in the contentious debate over reproductive rights. "The bottom line is, if these women want it, it should be their choice," she said.

But pro-choice activists have reason for caution: Efforts to improve the legal status of embryos and fetuses have gained considerable ground in recent years.

In 2002, the Bush administration expanded the State Children's Health Insurance Program to include embryos and fetuses, a move that for the first time made them separate beneficiaries of a government program, according to NARAL Pro-Choice America, a leading abortion rights advocacy group.

And in 2004, Congress passed and Bush signed the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act," a law that made it a separate federal crime to harm an embryo or fetus, giving them rights apart from the mothers. The law passed in the wake of the 2002 death of Laci Peterson, a California woman who was 8 months pregnant when she was murdered by her husband.

Cacciatore's campaign, pro-choice advocates fear, could further the personhood movement.

That is why Planned Parenthood of New Mexico recently objected to a "Missing Angels" bill even though it passed the state legislature with near unanimous support. "We're always concerned about measures that elevate the legal status of the fetus," said Martha Edmands, director of public affairs of Planned Parenthood of New Mexico.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat running for his party's presidential nomination, vetoed the bill on April 6. In a letter of explanation, Richardson did not cite reasons related to abortion but said the bill would cause logistical problems because it would issue two certificates -- one for stillbirth and one for death -- for the same event. "Having two documents for a single vital event can lead to confusion and potential fraud and is not sound policy," he wrote.

Richard Olsen, a member of the National Stillbirth Society in Phoenix, Ariz., blamed Richardson for kowtowing to political pressure from reproductive rights groups. "This was just political opposition by a governor who wanted to show the women of America that he was pro-choice," Olsen said. Cacciatore agreed, adding that 20 states have already passed similar laws and none have encountered logistical problems.

"Missing Angels" bills have faced opposition elsewhere from state chapters of national groups that back abortion rights, including NOW, NARAL Pro-Choice America, the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Cacciatore said.

In California, where a "Missing Angels" bill is pending in the state legislature, Planned Parenthood of California, the California Medical Association, and the California American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology have tried to block the bill.

But Cacciatore doesn't expect opposition to spread. This year, in fact, has been the most active yet, she said: "We're gaining momentum."
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The Politics of Stillbirth | The American Prospect


So, it comes back to my original suspicion that there is political motivation behind support of the non-person laws.
 
The mother claimed the baby was alive. If that is true and the baby took breath. Then it wasn't a stillborn. Hence it was considered a person under the law.

I feel the baby was possibly alive and dumped as a cover up.

That hospital will have the burden to prove it.

Regardless they are in big trouble!!

How horrible! :(
 
jillio said:
Since the laws regarding the status of a stillborn precede the abortion laws, how is it that they are linked?
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I wonder the same. Since the mother WANTED her baby in this situation.

And others that have stillborns as well wants their child.
 
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