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Jiro said:
but how do you get great social and academic progress if you cannot hear well? You just admitted that you can't hear well but can talk well... but then what good does it do for growing deaf child in mainstream school? If the student cannot hear well among many hearing students and teachers.... then how can you do well socially and academically? I did well academically because I had private tutors, one-on-one extra help, and my mom tutoring me. It was time-consuming. A deaf kid in deaf school gets FULL and SAME opportunity in life just as much as hearing kid gets at hearing school. I did OK socially but I can't be friends with bunch of hearing people that I want because of communication issue.

Communication is a two-way street. Your social/academic progress will grow well as long as you can communicate effectively - listening and talking. If not - then your growth is stunted. Yes - some of us get lucky but most don't. If my newborn happens to be deaf like me, I would not put my kid thru the same path as mine.
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Same as me. Most of my true education came one on one from my dad at the dining room table. In the school it was tough. And I should say I am another between both worlds. The ASL I know puts me about on a level playing field with a three year old.
 
Bottesini said:
Same as me. Most of my true education came one on one from my dad at the dining room table. In the school it was tough.
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worst part is.... they will get angry and abusive :mad2:
 
Jiro said:
but how do you get great social and academic progress if you cannot hear well? You just admitted that you can't hear well but can talk well... but then what good does it do for growing deaf child in mainstream school? If the student cannot hear well among many hearing students and teachers.... then how can you do well socially and academically? I did well academically because I had private tutors, one-on-one extra help, and my mom tutoring me. It was time-consuming. A deaf kid in deaf school gets FULL and SAME opportunity in life just as much as hearing kid gets at hearing school. I did OK socially but I can't be friends with bunch of hearing people that I want because of communication issue.
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As a child, the social aspect was difficult. No question about that. But as I matured, that got better. And as an adult, I feel no less social than a hearing person. It just takes more effort, effort that I'm willing to put forth. (I admit to having an "off" day sometimes like at a bar where it's just too darn noisy and I get tired of lipreading if I'm with my hearing friends, so I take the easy way out and go to the dance floor instead. But as long as I'm not having a problem communicating then I don't need to do that ...)

From an academic standpoint, I had all resources available - interpreters, notetakers, everthing that's available in a mainstreamed environment. I graduated high school with honors. My deafness, while making it more difficult to communicate and having to adapt, didn't interfere whatsoever in academics. Because I'm deaf doesn't mean I can't learn ..
 
AlleyCat said:
As a child, the social aspect was difficult. No question about that. But as I matured, that got better. And as an adult, I feel no less social than a hearing person. It just takes more effort, effort that I'm willing to put forth. (I admit to having an "off" day sometimes like at a bar where it's just too darn noisy and I get tired of lipreading if I'm with my hearing friends, so I take the easy way out and go to the dance floor instead. But as long as I'm not having a problem communicating then I don't need to do that ...)

From an academic standpoint, I had all resources available - interpreters, notetakers, everthing that's available in a mainstreamed environment. I graduated high school with honors. My deafness, while making it more difficult to communicate and having to adapt, didn't interfere whatsoever in academics. Because I'm deaf doesn't mean I can't learn ..
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U were lucky to have interpreters and notetakers. I had none of that and I dont think Jiro did either since we both grew up without knowing ASL.
 
Jiro said:
parents tutoring us.
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It is a hard job...and the majority of the parents that I have worked with arent really doing that anyway so for those whose parents to put in the time and effort are very lucky. I am sure Fair Jour would do the same too.
 
Bottesini said:
I can sadly testify to that part too. And I still can't say "R" "Th" and "S".
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yea i have "lazy pronunciation"... i do leave out certain syllable of certain word. For example.... hmmm

Interstate. I pronounce it as "in-ter-tate" when you're supposed to say "in-ter-STate"
 
shel90 said:
U were lucky to have interpreters and notetakers. I had none of that and I dont think Jiro did either since we both grew up without knowing ASL.
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yep... i had none of assistance until 9th grade. I had C.A.R.T. service. It was a "cultural shock" for me because I was so used to depending on tutors and parents to teach me... so I kind of did not know how to study on my own because of lack of self-discipline. This issue continued to follow with me into first couple years of college... which is why I took quite a while to graduate.
 
shel90 said:
U were lucky to have interpreters and notetakers. I had none of that and I dont think Jiro did either since we both grew up without knowing ASL.
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You would be right about the interpreters part. My knowing sign language went a long ways in my education. That sucks that you didn't even get notetakers, though.
 
AlleyCat said:
You would be right about the interpreters part. My knowing sign language went a long ways in my education. That sucks that you didn't even get notetakers, though.
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Thanks..it did suck but the social aspect was the hardest of all especially starting from 6th grade and beyond. Sure, I had friends and I do still keep in touch with them but I didnt feel the connection with them as I do with my deaf friends that I met later in life.


Sometimes, I wonder if I had both, maybe the social and interaction with hearing people wouldnt be so frustrating and difficult. I think that is what Jiro is trying to ask Fair Jour to think about that. If I am wrong, pls let me know.
 
Jiro said:
yep... i had none of assistance until 9th grade. I had C.A.R.T. service. It was a "cultural shock" for me because I was so used to depending on tutors and parents to teach me... so I kind of did not know how to study on my own because of lack of self-discipline. This issue continued to follow with me into first couple years of college... which is why I took quite a while to graduate.
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I got an oral-terp for college but lipreading for 3 hours straight isnt realistic and was so hard on my eyes so I tried CART but again, my eyes would burn from trying to read everything on the screen. The ASL terp (after I learned enough ASL) made everything fall in place and easier for me to follow in class. However, it was my classes at Gallaudet was when I finally was able to follow what was happening in class 100% cuz everyone was using ASL. It was so great to experience that.
 
shel90 said:
Thanks..it did suck but the social aspect was the hardest of all especially starting from 6th grade and beyond. Sure, I had friends and I do still keep in touch with them but I didnt feel the connection with them as I do with my deaf friends that I met later in life.

Sometimes, I wonder if I had both, maybe the social and interaction with hearing people wouldnt be so frustrating and difficult. I think that is what Jiro is trying to ask Fair Jour to think about that. If I am wrong, pls let me know.
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yes exactly. Remember the thread about what we ADers have complaints/pet peeves about hearing world? I just don't want Fair_Jour's daughter to come to AD and complain the same thing like us now especially about being stuck between 2 worlds.

I feel that parents have such unrealistic expectation about CI... thinking that it's a miracle cure. and also I don't want the parents to try so hard to make their deaf kids to fit into mainstream because of preconceived notion about people with disability. I'm sure Fair_Jour will know the best along the way.
 
Jiro said:
yes exactly. Remember the thread about what we ADers have complaints/pet peeves about hearing world? I just don't want Fair_Jour's daughter to come to AD and complain the same thing like us now especially about being stuck between 2 worlds.

I feel that parents have such unrealistic expectation about CI... thinking that it's a miracle cure. and also I don't want the parents to try so hard to make their deaf kids to fit into mainstream because of preconceived notion about people with disability. I'm sure Fair_Jour will know the best along the way.
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I agree with you. You have said it all. :)
 
Jiro said:
yes exactly. Remember the thread about what we ADers have complaints/pet peeves about hearing world? I just don't want Fair_Jour's daughter to come to AD and complain the same thing like us now especially about being stuck between 2 worlds.

I feel that parents have such unrealistic expectation about CI... thinking that it's a miracle cure. and also I don't want the parents to try so hard to make their deaf kids to fit into mainstream because of preconceived notion about people with disability. I'm sure Fair_Jour will know the best along the way.
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Nods. I'm sure Fair_Jour will do what she can for her daughter based on her reply to me.

I can relate to being stuck between two worlds as well..
 
AlleyCat said:
As a child, the social aspect was difficult. No question about that. But as I matured, that got better. And as an adult, I feel no less social than a hearing person. It just takes more effort, effort that I'm willing to put forth. (I admit to having an "off" day sometimes like at a bar where it's just too darn noisy and I get tired of lipreading if I'm with my hearing friends, so I take the easy way out and go to the dance floor instead. But as long as I'm not having a problem communicating then I don't need to do that ...)

From an academic standpoint, I had all resources available - interpreters, notetakers, everthing that's available in a mainstreamed environment. I graduated high school with honors. My deafness, while making it more difficult to communicate and having to adapt, didn't interfere whatsoever in academics. Because I'm deaf doesn't mean I can't learn ..
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your bold print - yep no doubt. :cool2: but not all deaf kids have this same opportunity because not all schools can provide what you had and not all know how to deal with it. and not all kids know ASL so having an interpreter puts a big damper on learning process and especially school/state's budget to having to find and hire alternative interpreter such as C.A.R.T. or captioning service - that can be difficult if you live in area where there is no specialist for that services available within several hours radius. but then again... that can put a damper in student's learning process if his reading level isn't good enough to keep up from C.A.R.T.... or worse if he's dyslexic.

That's why this is just one giant quagmire of confusion because there is no federal standard nor federal guideline in dealing with deaf students at public schools. They have federal standard/guideline for hearing students and the schools can act on it and know what to do if one is falling short of it.... but for deaf kids? they had no idea. Some just throw them into their special education program designed for kids with Down Syndrome.
 
Jiro said:
your bold print - yep no doubt. :cool2: but not all deaf kids have this same opportunity because not all schools can provide what you had and not all know how to deal with it. and not all kids know ASL so having an interpreter puts a big damper on learning process and especially school/state's budget to having to find and hire alternative interpreter such as C.A.R.T. or captioning service - that can be difficult if you live in area where there is no specialist for that services available within several hours radius. but then again... that can put a damper in student's learning process if his reading level isn't good enough to keep up from C.A.R.T.... or worse if he's dyslexic.

That's why this is just one giant quagmire of confusion because there is no federal standard nor federal guideline in dealing with deaf students at public schools. They have federal standard/guideline for hearing students and the schools can act on it and know what to do if one is falling short of it.... but for deaf kids? they had no idea. Some just throw them into their special education program designed for kids with Down Syndrome.[/QUOTE]

The majority of the children I have worked with have been victims of this system.
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Jiro said:
yes exactly. Remember the thread about what we ADers have complaints/pet peeves about hearing world? I just don't want Fair_Jour's daughter to come to AD and complain the same thing like us now especially about being stuck between 2 worlds.

I feel that parents have such unrealistic expectation about CI... thinking that it's a miracle cure. and also I don't want the parents to try so hard to make their deaf kids to fit into mainstream because of preconceived notion about people with disability. I'm sure Fair_Jour will know the best along the way.
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