Mother of Palin daughter's boyfriend arrested

[Steel X]

will make their own responsiblity. What do she mean?

I assume she meant that since they are over legal age so should be treating them as adults even thou they may be inexpereinced at this kind of stuff when bringing a baby into the world at their very young age without any plannings, marriage, and such...so they have alot of catching up to do.

I'm just glad I'm not a father yet lol I rather be married before I become a father.

 

[jillio]

In my last post, everything before 'Seriously' was facetious. See what I did there? I'll be more liberal with the smilies next time.

Smilies aren't necessary. I saw your attempt at sarcasm. It was simply ineffective.
But since we're talking about it, you still believe those things about Palin? No wonder you see her as such a nutjob! Let me go through them really quick.
Me and many of her compatriots, as well as a majority of the voting public sees her as a "nutjob", as you put it.
"Sarah Palin bans books!"
Reba already covered this one. Thanks Reba!

Sarah Palin bans books was your quote. Again, I was referring to the quotes attributed to her; the words that came out of her mouth during the campaign. You are conveniently ignoring that. She does not have the power to ban books. She did, however, recommend that several books be removed from the library in Wasila. However you look at it, it is censorship. She is drunk on her own perceived power, as was shown by Troopergate. Fortunately for all, the power she thinks she holds is in her own mind only.
"Sarah Palin thinks Iraq is a mission from God!"
Fortunately, I already covered this one a while ago.

And Sarah covered it long before you did. I heard the words come out of her mouth during an interview. I'm certain the clips are still available, as well as the numerous news reports regarding such. Search a little harder.http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/56652-palin-leaves-open-option-war-russia.html#post1089967

"Sarah Palin ignored her own supporters yelling 'Kill him!' and calling Obama the n word!"
Nobody in the Secret Service heard anybody yell "Kill him!" at the event, nor could they find anybody else who heard it. It's a claim made by a single journalist
(Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded | Wilkes-Barre breaking news | timesleader.com - The Times Leader). The other incident with the n word turned out to be "redistributor" on closer inspection.
Oh, yeah. The n word sounds a lot like "redistributor.' :roll: And the Secret Service Agents who failed to hear what the journalist reports hearing were assigned to Palin. See the conflict there?
"Sarah Palin made racist comments against Obama!"
The AP made this claim in an "analysis", which reads more like an opinion piece, and a bad one at that (Analysis: Palin's words carry racial tinge). If you choose to believe their absurd reasoning simply because they're attacking someone you don't like, then hey, it's America. But it not only weakens the credibility of real accusations of racism, much like the boy who cried wolf, it also degrades the level of discourse. If I were to utilize the same level of stupidity to criticize Barack Obama, I could write an "analysis" claiming he's a terrorist*. What good does that do anybody?

You could write one, but it would be seen as absurd and ignorant as Palin's accusations were seen.
As for going back through her old speeches and interviews, I covered that here.

No you didn't.

Regardless, there's hardly evidence she didn't teach Bristol about birth control. If anything, the evidence would seem to point the other way.

If one teaches, it also means one learns. It is a 2 way proposition. Obviously there was a breakdown in the process, because Bristol was not using the birth control she was supposedly "taught" about. If Palin was such a wonderful, involved mother, she would have taken her sexually active daughter to the doctor to make sure that she had birth control available instead of relying on the abstinence message to take hold. Or could it be that Palin was so busy trying to get her brother in law fired that she totally overlooked the signs that her daughter was sexually active as a minor, and therefore, did not take the steps necessary to protect her teen aged daughter from an illegitimate pregnancy? Family values involves taking care of business at home and dealing with what is going on in your own house before you step outside and attempt to force your false values on others.
*Note: To avoid misunderstanding, I'm not saying Barack Obama is a terrorist. I'm pointing out that such rhetoric is harmful.

Yes it is harmful, which is exactly why the McCain Palin campaign was using it. As an attempt to do harm.

 

[Reba]

:scratch: Bristol use Levi´s surname to give her son Tripp when she and Levi are not married yet? :

A couple doesn't have to be married in order to give the father's surname to the baby.

Actually, she was 17 years old when she was pregnant with Tripp that´s time.

Yes, everyone knows that but that wasn't my question. Maybe you missed the original post.

 

[Reba]

Due several debate threads, you critizied unwed parents and beleive in that they should get married before their child born.[/FONT]

Yes, I believe couples should be married before they have sexual relations together, which means they would also be married before pregnancy and child birth. That's what God commanded, and that's what I believe. But if couples don't do that, what can I do about that after the fact? We have to play the cards that we are dealt.

 

[Reba]

Why are you shocked? You didn't know that some children don't follow their parents teachings or lifestyles?

Accord the statastic - US teens preggies are higher in the world to compare with other countries around the world. You can´t possible to deny it.

I didn't confirm nor deny it. In fact, I didn't say anything about statistics at all. That has nothing to do with my statement.

If she doesn´t as what you assume then she would annonnce in her first speech soon after McCain annonnced his VP pick that she is soon to be Granny but she doesn´t. We found out from the medias ourselvse and understood why Bristol hide her stomach from hold Trigg? Sad, because it would be nice to learn from Palin´s word during first speech, not media... It show itself is an embarrassment...

Did it occur to you that announcing the pregnancy of an unwed daughter is not normally part of a candidate's acceptance speech?

 

[Reba]

...She did, however, recommend that several books be removed from the library in Wasila...

If you read the Snopes link, you will see that your statement is not true.

The other statements were proven to be false, as was shown in the links. If you choose not to believe the links that's your prerogative.

If one teaches, it also means one learns. It is a 2 way proposition. Obviously there was a breakdown in the process, because Bristol was not using the birth control she was supposedly "taught" about.

Just because the daughter doesn't follow the mom's teachings doesn't mean that they weren't taught. People have free wills and rebellious natures.

If Palin was such a wonderful, involved mother, she would have taken her sexually active daughter to the doctor to make sure that she had birth control available instead of relying on the abstinence message to take hold.

How do you know that she didn't do that? How do you know that Bristol didn't have the knowledge and means rather than she had the knowledge and means but refused to use them? How do you know that Bristol wasn't using some form of birth control that failed? Were you there? Did you hear every conversation between them?

Or could it be that Palin was so busy trying to get her brother in law fired that she totally overlooked the signs that her daughter was sexually active as a minor, and therefore, did not take the steps necessary to protect her teen aged daughter from an illegitimate pregnancy?

Wow, that's a leap. Are you this judgmental with all families who have an unwed teen?

Family values involves taking care of business at home and dealing with what is going on in your own house before you step outside and attempt to force your false values on others.

So parents shouldn't work outside the home if they are having problems with the teens at home?

More judgmental terms--"force" and "false". Can you prove that Palin's values (which ones) were false, and that she tried to force them on others?


What is interesting is that even though your team won the election, you seem less at peace than those of us whose team lost the election.

 

[jillio]

If you read the Snopes link, you will see that your statement is not true.

The other statements were proven to be false, as was shown in the links. If you choose not to believe the links that's your prerogative.


Just because the daughter doesn't follow the mom's teachings doesn't mean that they weren't taught. People have free wills and rebellious natures.



How do you know that she didn't do that? How do you know that Bristol didn't have the knowledge and means rather than she had the knowledge and means but refused to use them? How do you know that Bristol wasn't using some form of birth control that failed? Were you there? Did you hear every conversation between them?

If you will check out the latest research from Johns Hopkins, you will find that the only difference between kids taught abstinence only, and those that are given proper sex ed are the fact that the abstinence only kids are significantly more likely not to use birth control. Their sexual behaviors and age of onset do not differ.

I have heard Sarah Palin's views on sex ed. One would assume that she at least had the fundamental ethics of practicing in her own family what she preaches to others. And given that the abstinence only ed actually leads to a greater incidence of teen preganancy, one can assume she did.
Wow, that's a leap. Are you this judgmental with all families who have an unwed teen?



So parents shouldn't work outside the home if they are having problems with the teens at home?

More judgmental terms--"force" and "false". Can you prove that Palin's values (which ones) were false, and that she tried to force them on others?
How about, I don't know, her stated intentions regarding the reversal of Roe v. Wade. Or didn't you watch the Courik interview?
What is interesting is that even though your team won the election, you seem less at peace than those of us whose team lost the election.

Actually, Reba, I am verymuch at peace with the security that the American public (at least, the vast majority) saw Palin for exactly what she is.

 

[Maria]

It is a shame that teenage pregnancy continues to be a crisis this day because nobody learns from history and as a result, many people suffer more.

Well, it's NOT the first time that Bristol got pregnant before she turned 18. It happened to MANY teen girls nowdays and none of them have learned since the Day One when they were taught about birth control pills and everythin'.

I read one article yesterday about a woman who is 20 years old -- she was sharin' her feelings and thoughts about " pregnancy ". She wants to be sterlized for good -- don't want to take a responsibility to take care of/raise a child. She mentioned in the article that she wants to have a good time makin' out with " male " partners without worryin' about gettin' pregnant. And, of course she is perfectly healthy and her mind is very sane as crystal. She perfectly knew well what she wants since she already thought things over before she decided to become sterlized.

Can you image that she is only 20 years old and not want to have a baby for good ? I guess, she have seen/heard sooo many " problems " with women/teen girls nowdays and she don't want to be either one of them. Obviously, she DID learned.

 

[BradB08]

The irony is that some religious people who think that it's a good idea to push abstinence, are only making the problem worse when people give in to their desires and have unprotected sex (providing that they have no clue about birth control) and end up pregnant at a young age.

 

[dreama]

Well, it's NOT the first time that Bristol got pregnant before she turned 18. It happened to MANY teen girls nowdays and none of them have learned since the Day One when they were taught about birth control pills and everythin'.

I read one article yesterday about a woman who is 20 years old -- she was sharin' her feelings and thoughts about " pregnancy ". She wants to be sterlized for good -- don't want to take a responsibility to take care of/raise a child. She mentioned in the article that she wants to have a good time makin' out with " male " partners without worryin' about gettin' pregnant. And, of course she is perfectly healthy and her mind is very sane as crystal. She perfectly knew well what she wants since she already thought things over before she decided to become sterlized.

Can you image that she is only 20 years old and not want to have a baby for good ? I guess, she have seen/heard sooo many " problems " with women/teen girls nowdays and she don't want to be either one of them. Obviously, she DID learned.

Totally agree. I also wanted to be steralized and I think this choice should be on offer on demand instead of abortion. Their would be many less deaths if that was the case.

 

[dreama]

What is interesting is that even though your team won the election, you seem less at peace than those of us whose team lost the election.

I agree.

It's even more curious when people seem to care so much what MY views on Sarah Palin are since I am not American so I can't even vote.

 

[Jiro]

Totally agree. I also wanted to be steralized and I think this choice should be on offer on demand instead of abortion. Their would be many less deaths if that was the case.

the sterilization is already a choice. You can get it anytime, anywhere. Abortion and Sterilization are NOT offered by doctors. Only YOU must request for it to doctor.

again... as usual - you confuse other issue with non-related issue. Sterilization is NOT related to abortion because it is entirely a personal choice that does not affect any other life form. It's same as having a plastic surgery, breast augmentation, etc.

 

[BradB08]

Totally agree. I also wanted to be steralized and I think this choice should be on offer on demand instead of abortion. Their would be many less deaths if that was the case.

There really isn't a comparison here but I think it's hilarious to see people support sterilization over abortion.

Would you also support forced sterilization of welfare mothers so they can't reproduce? Would you support forced sterilization of people of different races (in which they did in Vermont in the '30s) so that the population can be more "pure"?

Any form of sterilization is unnatural.

 

[Jiro]

I agree.

It's even more curious when people seem to care so much what MY views on Sarah Palin are since I am not American so I can't even vote.

it's even much more curious that you seem to care more about American policy regarding abortion/euthanasia/PAS especially when you are not an American resident... even though there are other countries in Europe far worse than American policy.... such as Netherlands

oh btw - your thoughts on American policy regarding abortion/euthanasia/PAS are completely wrong and you're supporting for Palin who is completely backward on this issue as well.

 

[jillio]

I agree.

It's even more curious when people seem to care so much what MY views on Sarah Palin are since I am not American so I can't even vote.

Given the margin of their loss, I don't think one more vote would have made any difference in the outcome. Here's a better question: rather than us caring about your views, why do you care so much about a politician like Sarah Palin that has absolutely no effect on you whatsoever?

 

[BradB08]

Given the margin of their loss, I don't think one more vote would have made any difference in the outcome. Here's a better question: rather than us caring about your views, why do you care so much about a politician like Sarah Palin that has absolutely no effect on you whatsoever?

It's because Palin was supposed to be the savior of conservatives and she flopped badly?

 

[jillio]

the sterilization is already a choice. You can get it anytime, anywhere. Abortion and Sterilization are NOT offered by doctors. Only YOU must request for it to doctor.

again... as usual - you confuse other issue with non-related issue. Sterilization is NOT related to abortion because it is entirely a personal choice that does not affect any other life form. It's same as having a plastic surgery, breast augmentation, etc.

Bingo! Want to be sterilized? Go or it. All it takes is requesting it from a physician that performs the procedure, and a few hours of your time.

 

[Jiro]

Bingo! Want to be sterilized? Go or it. All it takes is requesting it from a physician that performs the procedure, and a few hours of your time.

snip snip!

Hear Again - it's a pix of the character named Fry from Futurama cartoon show. He's holding up a wire cutter.

 

[jillio]

snip snip!

Hear Again - it's a pix of the character named Fry from Futurama cartoon show. He's holding up a wire cutter.

I see men cringing all around me!

 

[Jiro]

Given the margin of their loss, I don't think one more vote would have made any difference in the outcome. Here's a better question: rather than us caring about your views, why do you care so much about a politician like Sarah Palin that has absolutely no effect on you whatsoever?

and also has absolutely NO effect on American federal law. THANKS GOD! :roll: