German Historians Compile List of Nazi Euthanasia Victims

Yes, Nazi germany was definately evil!

I am afraid it could easily happen again since people like a man who makes good speaches and alows themselves to be brainwashed.

That's one of the reason's I'm against Euthanasia for humans. I worry about it being a thin end of a wedge since that's how Nazi germany started.

The problem was that people just dared speak their mind. You had by far a much quieter life if you stick a photo of Hitler in your house and did the Nazi salute. Speaking your mind got you into major trouble.
 
It often failed me to fathom as how Germans were mesmerized by evil Hitler... quite something huh!

That is exactly what is so frightening about this piece of history. Normal, everyday people were mesmerized by him and willingly carried out his deeds. It is a study in social psychology that we need to pay strict attention to, lest it happen again. We have already experienced it in lesser scales with some of the religious leaders such as David Koresh and Jim Jones.
 

Huh? I thought you know that the word "good" has many meanings, don't you? It doesn't mean that Hitler was a good man when I said that he was a good leader. :roll:

I thought you understood when we (some ADers and I) tried to explain you about Hitler's history in that lock thread where you tried to compare Obama with Hitler at month ago.
 
i have always heard about nazi since i was a small kid. since i used to live around italian and jewish people around here, telling me numerous of stories. one of them had the tattoo numbers on their arms that no one wanted to talk about. that's how it led me to read the nazi books. couldnt believe how nazi people were so sick for doing so sicko things to innocent people.

i have no link that some people dont believe that the nazi stuffs never exist that jewish people trying so hard to tell them that it DID HAPPEN! Jew people refuses to let them forget about the NAZI stories and often in court. that is so sad..
 
Lieblings done lost her damn mind,

Excuse me, Did you know what you are saying?

I do not deny that Hitler is a bad person and monster, don't I? Don't you read my post carefully?



I can't think of anything good about Adolf Hitler.

See? I don't see anything that you know a lot about Hitler's history but just pick negative ones...

He didn't get his people to kill people AFTER he took over the country, rebuilt Germany's economy, powerful nation... create employment to almost zero. He was moivated for his people and country. Yes, he was a brilliant speaker and leader... Yes he was a bad person for got his people to kill jews, other races and Germans in several years later after he took over the country...

Yes, Hitler did a lot of good at the beginning is improve great depression in late 1920s and create millions unemployment to almost zero, etc... He was a good until he became too power greedy...

I can see the problem that some of you don't understand the difference in a good person and a good leader.


He brainwashed the german people into believing that Jews were the evil of the universe and if they didn't comply with his plan they were treated just the same as the Jews were - sent to concentration camps to die a cold and miserable death.

Hitler is a prime example of the worst of the human race, he was everything that Jesus was not. Im sure that many religious folks likely believed that Hitler was the anti-Christ given his evil dominion over much of Europe for over a deacade. He was just bad juju from the get-go.

See? you don't know fully...

No, it's not just Hitler but some Nazi survivors have bad experience with some Jews etc... They don't know what and how Hitler's people did with Jews, other races and Germans in camps until after WWII. Yes Hitler brainwashed Germans and many country around the world. We all know that he was a very good at manipulation and motivational speaker...

You think that all Jews were sent to concentration camps... What a wonderful example of your lack of knowledge!!! No, it's not just Jews but other races and Germans, too.

I wish the people would see that Hitler got his people to kill other people than just jews. I find sad that some people ignore it and feel sympathy for only Jews, not other races and Germans who suffered under Nazi time. Yes, they killed by Nazi in camps, not just Jews. I met a lot of Nazi survivors here in Germany including Jews... (Yes Jews still live in Germany...) You really has no idea what you are saying... *shake my head*

Yes, Hitler brainwashed Germans to support him in his motivate skill... why? because they were suffered under depression, high unemployment, etc. He promised them... He kept his promise and DID created million jobs, rebuilt the economy, design the VW car for 5 people... , go on... Few years later he turn into a bad person... his horrible Nazi law got Germans scared... they get punishment for their "ungrateful" to not "heil" to Hilter because it's him who did everything... Germans must (not should) be grateful for what Hitler did...... and scared of him... Hitler and his people brainwashed Germans to beleive that concentration camp mean is for jews and other races is work to get foods and bed free...

I have a lot to say... but I would suggest you to search Hitler's profile and history...
 
i have always heard about nazi since i was a small kid. since i used to live around italian and jewish people around here, telling me numerous of stories. one of them had the tattoo numbers on their arms that no one wanted to talk about. that's how it led me to read the nazi books. couldnt believe how nazi people were so sick for doing so sicko things to innocent people.

i have no link that some people dont believe that the nazi stuffs never exist that jewish people trying so hard to tell them that it DID HAPPEN! Jew people refuses to let them forget about the NAZI stories and often in court. that is so sad..

Very sad, that some people don't beleive Nazi's stuff exist... I thought there're holocast museum somewhere in Washington, USA? I thought they were taught at school about Hitler?

We have original camps here in Germany... That's one of camps is Dachau is only 3 hours away from my home... very original camp... If some people want proof then visit Germany to see original camp themselves...

Yes, it's very sick what and how Nazi did to jews, other races and Germans in camps.
 
yes we have holocaust memorial museum in D.C. USA. Speaking of some people are in denial about it for many reasons. Indeed, there are plenty of evidences such as death camps.
 
yes we have holocaust memorial museum in D.C. USA. Speaking of some people are in denial about it for many reasons. Indeed, there are plenty of evidences such as death camps.

Yes, it's very sad about their ignorants... Of course there're death in many camps here in Germany... It's horrible feeling when you visit original camps here in Germany and STILL have *smell of corpses* when I was in gas shower.... and also oven where they burnt alive people or corpse in... Everything is original... and also photos...
 
Leibing: Hitlers government killed a lot of people. I'm sure it was efficent in it's way but since it's efficency lead to so many people's deaths I don't think the word 'Good' could ever be applied to Nazi Germany however efficent it was.
 
Huh? I thought you know that the word "good" has many meanings, don't you? It doesn't mean that Hitler was a good man when I said that he was a good leader. :roll:

I thought you understood when we (some ADers and I) tried to explain you about Hitler's history in that lock thread where you tried to compare Obama with Hitler at month ago.
Hitler was not a "good" man who became "bad" because of power. He was always an evil man, and he used the power he acquired to become even more evil. He did things to please the German people so that he could gain more power to do more evil.
 
Yes, it's very sad about their ignorants... Of course there're death in many camps here in Germany... It's horrible feeling when you visit original camps here in Germany and STILL have *smell of corpses* when I was in gas shower.... and also oven where they burnt alive people or corpse in... Everything is original... and also photos...
Of course it's obvious what happened in the concentration camps. How could the German villagers deny what happened outside their own communities? Was it just Hitler's "brainwashing?" Did Hitler's brainwashing erase the smells of death and the vision of smoke coming from the camps?
 
Of course it's obvious what happened in the concentration camps. How could the German villagers deny what happened outside their own communities? Was it just Hitler's "brainwashing?" Did Hitler's brainwashing erase the smells of death and the vision of smoke coming from the camps?

I find your comment quite derogatory towards the Germans for deny the holocaust. Sure, some people from other countries deny the holocaust but Germans? How could they deny because they live in Germany and suffered...? Have you hear Nazi survivor's side? I think you should research both sides than assume by listen one side. As what you assume that Germans deny the holocaust but why we do have holocaust museums here in Germany and some Europe countries for? All Germans including my hubby's relatives, I know are not in denial but they are shock and appalled over horror what and how Nazi did to people in camp after WWII.

Yes, Hitler was a brilliant to brainwash Germans to believe that the Jews were responsible for the economy breakdown and Depression but the sad fact is Depression in Germany was started years before Hitler came. Yes, Hitler was a good leader and gave his people hope for boost economy, unemployment, clean country. Few years later after his successful with economy, jobs, improve the Germany's country, he turn into monster and use the power over Germans and the world.

Do you know why Nazi symbol use for the public is an illegal here in Germany? Because they respect the Germans and other races including Jews' wish for not like to see that horrible symbol and got them nightmare..., not in denial.

The fact, we all are being brainwashed by our country, not just Germans and Hitler's government. Yes, every government brainwashed a lot of people, either we fall for it or not. Germans live in Germany doesn't mean they support the government but they have to follow their rules and law, no matter either they like or not. Yes, they lived in fear and do what Hitler's people wants.

German villagers thought it's camp mean is for rehabilitation to train people into better people. Really truth, they didn't know that Nazi send people to death camp. They smell and thought it's dead animals because it's farm, they often smell dead animals, burnt, etc. until after WWII, they were shock that it's human, not animals.

Fact, we know for long time that many Germans did not know about the camps. You must realize there was no radio or newspaper to spread the information out except Nazi's information. They also censored people's letters, too... etc...
 
I notice some of the AD members said that Nazi are evil...

They are not.. They were forced.. If a man in the family refuse to join the army, Hilter will kill their family and take the house away..

My great grandparents and grandma are Nazi, and they are not evil..
 
I notice some of the AD members said that Nazi are evil...

They are not.. They were forced.. If a man in the family refuse to join the army, Hilter will kill their family and take the house away..

My great grandparents and grandma are Nazi, and they are not evil..

Yes I know... I noticed that some ADers made Germans look bad because they do what Hitler and Nazi says... They really have no idea what and how Germans had been through...


Oh yes, some Germans risk their life for hide Jews and other races in their house... some Germans not becaue they were too scared...

Yes, Germans will be dead if they refused to obey Hitler and Nazi's rules... or have different political views as Hitler, disablities, etc... Germans were killed or sent to camps because of this... I find sad that some people depend on listen just Jew's side than both sides to Nazi suvivors...
 
Yes I know... I noticed that some ADers made Germans look bad because they do what Hitler and Nazi says... They really have no idea what and how Germans had been through...


Oh yes, some Germans risk their life for hide Jews and other races in their house... some Germans not becaue they were too scared...

Yes, Germans will be dead if they refused to obey Hitler and Nazi's rules... or have different political views as Hitler, disablities, etc... Germans were killed or sent to camps because of this... I find sad that some people depend on listen just Jew's side than both sides to Nazi suvivors...

*nods* I learned those from the school and some from my family. It seems so tough times for the Germans and everyone else..
 
I find your comment quite derogatory towards the Germans for deny the holocaust. Sure, some people from other countries deny the holocaust but Germans? How could they deny because they live in Germany and suffered...? Have you hear Nazi survivor's side? I think you should research both sides than assume by listen one side.
I've done lots of reading and research, which includes testimony by Germans.

As what you assume that Germans deny the holocaust but why we do have holocaust museums here in Germany and some Europe countries for? All Germans including my hubby's relatives, I know are not in denial but they are shock and appalled over horror what and how Nazi did to people in camp after WWII.
I referred to German denial while the Holocaust and WWII were happening.

Yes, Hitler was a brilliant to brainwash Germans to believe that the Jews were responsible for the economy breakdown and Depression but the sad fact is Depression in Germany was started years before Hitler came. Yes, Hitler was a good leader and gave his people hope for boost economy, unemployment, clean country. Few years later after his successful with economy, jobs, improve the Germany's country, he turn into monster and use the power over Germans and the world.
You still don't get it. Hitler was not a good person who turned bad. He was always a bad person who just got more powerful as time went by.

Do you know why Nazi symbol use for the public is an illegal here in Germany? Because they respect the Germans and other races including Jews' wish for not like to see that horrible symbol and got them nightmare..., not in denial.
That happened only after the Allies defeated Germany. That wasn't during the war.

The fact, we all are being brainwashed by our country, not just Germans and Hitler's government. Yes, every government brainwashed a lot of people, either we fall for it or not.
I don't think you understand what real brainwashing is.

Germans live in Germany doesn't mean they support the government but they have to follow their rules and law, no matter either they like or not. Yes, they lived in fear and do what Hitler's people wants.
No, they didn't have to "follow their rules and law." Many good Germans did refuse to follow Hitler. It's too bad that not more of them did that. But the ones who did disobey Hitler and Nazis are worthy of respect and praise.

German villagers thought it's camp mean is for rehabilitation to train people into better people. Really truth, they didn't know that Nazi send people to death camp. They smell and thought it's dead animals because it's farm, they often smell dead animals, burnt, etc. until after WWII, they were shock that it's human, not animals.
That's called baloney and denial, if not lying. You can't possibly expect Americans to believe that.

Fact, we know for long time that many Germans did not know about the camps. You must realize there was no radio or newspaper to spread the information out except Nazi's information. They also censored people's letters, too... etc...
Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps
Details of deaths of Jews and other groups in concentration camps were well publicised.

The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period.

Its results, Professor Gellately says, destroy the claim - generally made by Germans after Berlin fell in 1945 and accepted by most historians - that they did not know about camp atrocities. He concludes by indicating that the only thing many Germans may not have known about was the use of industrial-scale gas chambers because, unusually, no media reports were allowed of this "final solution". However, by the end of the war camps were all over the country and many Germans worked in them.

Yesterday OUP said his study exposed "once and for all the substantial consent and active participation of large numbers of ordinary Germans". Its head of historical publishing, Ruth Parr, called it a landmark study of the terror. "He asks and answers some very difficult questions about how much the ordinary German people knew about the Nazi atrocities, and to what degree they supported them," she said.

A leading British-born Holocaust historian, Professor Michael Burleigh, said the book was "original and outstanding, genuinely important". Another authority on the camps, Professor Omer Bartov, of Brown University, Rhode Island, US, described Backing Hitler as "path-breaking - a crucial contribution to our understanding of the relationship between consent and coercion in modern dictatorship".

Conventional wisdom among post war historians has been that - as Lord Dahrendorf, ex-warden of St Antony's College, Oxford, says in his study Society and Democracy in Germany (1966) - "It is certainly true that most Germans 'did not know' about National Socialist crimes of violence; nothing precise, that is, because they did not ask any questions_." A common explanation among influential modern German historians, including Hans-Ulrich Thamer in his study Wooing and Violence (1986) is that the Nazis "seduced" an unwilling or passive public.

Gellately, professor in Holocaust history at Clark University, Massachusetts, offers a mass of detail to support the theme of an earlier work, Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners, which caused an international sensation in 1995. Goldhagen's theme was that "what the Nazis actually did was to unshackle and thereby activate Germans' pre-existing, pent-up anti-semitism".

Gellately began his inquiry after finding a press report -published as routine - of a woman reported to the Gestapo for "looking Jewish" and allegedly having sex with a neighbour. "For decades my generation had been told that so much of the terror had been carried out in complete secrecy," he writes.

His media trawl, with a research assistant, found that as early as 1933 local papers reported the killing of 12 prisoners by guards at Dachau, the first to be set up as a "model" concentration camp initially for communists. On May 23 the Dachauer Zeitung said the camp was Germany's most famous place and brought "new hope to the Dachau business world". By 1934 the main and widely read Nazi-owned paper Volkische Beobachter was reporting a widening of policy to other "political criminals" including Jews accused of race defilement. By 1936 communist prisoners were no longer mentioned: in a photo-essay in the SS paper Das Schwarze Korps emphasised the camps as places for "race defilers, rapists, sexual degenerates and habitual criminals".

This broadening mission, as Gellately calls it, was reflected in Volkische Beobachter photographs of "typical subhumans" including Jews with "deformed headshapes". For the first time their detention was said to be permanent. In January, 1937 Berliner Borsen Zeitung reported the SS chief Heinrich Himmler as announcing the need for "still more camps" for "those with hydrocephalus, cross-eyed, deformed half-Jews and a whole series of racially inferior types".

In November, 1938 the anti-Jewish pogrom on and after "the night of broken glass" was reported countrywide in papers as heroic. The propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, announced that the "final answer" to the Jewish problem would be by way of government decree, according to Volkische Beobachter.

In late 1939, the year war started, newspapers acting on government orders announced a post-8pm curfew on all Jews in case they "molest Aryan women". That November the first summary executions of "anti-socials" by police without trial were reported. Papers were told to report these clearly and forcefully. In March, 1941, the Hamburger Fremdenblatt reported the first mass auctions of possessions of detained or killed Jews. Hamburg became the wartime clearing house and Gellately says at least 100,000 citizens bought at the auctions.

After this the focus switched. Most press reports about Jews were about those outside Germany. This was because the official but unpublicised final solution was being implemented. But enthusiastic denunciations by ordinary citizens of Jewish and other "internal enemies" continued to be copiously reported. Backing Hitler discusses 670 cases. By the end of the war Hitler was still getting 1,000 private letters a week, many of them denunciations.
Germans knew of Holocaust horror about death camps | UK news | The Guardian
 
I'm curious to see that Valkyrie movie starting Tom Cruise...

It should be pretty interesting.

American History X starring Edward Norton would be a good example for you all to understand something that is related to Nazi, but its more than just about Nazis, anyway.
 
Yes American History X was good. It was more about neo-Nazism rather than Nazis themselves.
 
Valkyrie was about one of Hitler's top commanders that tried to kill Hitler as he refused to sacrifice his conscience, and he knew damn well that if he never carried out the mission that he would be killed so he originally set it up that he would be blown to bits as well, but of course it never happened that way.
 
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