Do people remember Clinton Era?

[jillio]

actually no - based on that gun thread while back - we both have fundamentally different view on it. Even though you do not support gun ban, you support a restrictive type. Not me. My view on gun rights is 100% McCain and 0% Obama and 0% Clinton. Your view is opposite of that.

Not opposite. It falls on a continuum.

 

[Macian]

i thought clinton left a stain on the ecomomy? oops sorry, that was his suit
it's nothing to do with that, it's like blair /brown project, its the way of the world, the recession would have hit even if clinton was still in office staining his suits.

 

[Jiro]

i thought clinton left a stain on the ecomomy? oops sorry, that was his suit
it's nothing to do with that, it's like blair /brown project, its the way of the world, the recession would have hit even if clinton was still in office staining his suits.

that's gonna leave a stain.. i mean mark.

 

[jillio]

that's gonna leave a stain.. i mean mark.

Actually, it wasn't his clothing. It was Monica Lewinsky's infamous blue dress that she put away,without laundering, for several months until she felt the time was right to grab her 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Hear Again]

that's gonna leave a stain.. i mean mark.

Jiro, I *love* your "That's gonna leave a mark" comments.

I wonder where that infamous blue dress is nowadays?

 

[Jiro]

Actually, it wasn't his clothing. It was Monica Lewinsky's infamous blue dress that she put away,without laundering, for several months until she felt the time was right to grab her 15 minutes of fame.

Looks like I pow'ed myself

 

[jillio]

Looks like I pow'ed myself

 

[Hear Again]

Looks like I pow'ed myself

Zing!

 

[Macian]

Actually, it wasn't his clothing. It was Monica Lewinsky's infamous blue dress that she put away,without laundering, for several months until she felt the time was right to grab her 15 minutes of fame.

; you are correct jillio, I stand corrected, thank you

 

[PowerON]

Because Iraq invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asked us for help. This Iraqi invasion was condemned by the world. What do you propose? sit and do nothing? Yea typical of European's stance. They let us do their dirty work and still criticize us. :roll:

poor habit, I guess?

 

[Macian]

poor habit, I guess?

that doesnt even warrant an intelligent answer

 

[Secretblend]

One thing I find very interesting about this thread while reading. I noticed that congress has not been mentioned once. Why does congress never get blamed or applauded for things they do. For example:

except for few exceptions, Presidents cannot go to war without congress approval which they voted to go to war against Iraq. Remember, Hillary voted for going to war?

Presidents cannot spend money without congress approval. Congress controls the money. They approved all the money that has been spent causing the deficits to go up.
Why not point the finger where the problem really is which is whole government? Not just the president.

As for economy, presidents really do not have the power to change how econmics goes, that belongs to the people.

People spent way more than they can afford (number 1 mistake) for a house which the company willinging loaned (number 2 mistake). Place the blame on everybody, not just whoever is sitting at White House at the moment disasters strikes.

 

[Tousi]

It wouldn't surprise me if Congress has a poorer rating than Bush.

 

[Macian]

that doesnt even warrant an intelligent answer

oops i apoligise, power on, that retort was directed at jiro post not yours my mistake

 

[Macian]

Because Iraq invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asked us for help. This Iraqi invasion was condemned by the world. What do you propose? sit and do nothing? Yea typical of European's stance. They let us do their dirty work and still criticize us. :roll:

and thats the one I was correcting myself from in last post..

 

[Hear Again]

It wouldn't surprise me if Congress has a poorer rating than Bush.

Actually they do, but it's not uncommon for Congress to have a lower approval rating than the President.

In fact, it's usually the norm.

If I remember correctly, the approval rating for Congress was 20% while the approval rating for the President was 27% (the lowest of any U.S. President ever).

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Accord Jiro's posts from other thread...

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/63261-obama-represents-family-values-4.html#post1284643

Jiro's post
again..... contact Jillio. You'd be very surprised how incredibly difficult it is to report the rape/sexual harassment and also how EXTREMELY commonplace it is. MANY MANY cases are UNREPORTED.

MANY women dropped the cases because of several reasons it's traumatizing and TOO LENGTHILY... and it's TOO embarrassing because of intensive public scrutiny... and who is going to believe? unknown woman or powerful politician?

i'm sorry but nope. She's not going to agree with you on this case. Again - contact her to learn about rape victims.

I pasted from lock thread over here.

I know what you are saying but I'm sorry that you cannot compare victims with a lady who accused Clinton for rape her at 30 years later because a lady said in the interview "because I don't think anyone would have believed me." when the reporters asked her why she didn't inform authorities straight way or next day after that. :roll: No therapies, professional help etc... Why she waited for 30 years to accuse Clinton for rape her? Do you really think anyone CAN suffer traumatizing for 30 years then talk public against Clinton? I doubt because a lot of women end to kill themselves because they can't bear to suffer severe depression, traumatizing for few months to years without professional helps... 30 years? Oh no...

I assume that Jillio would ask you why a lady agrees to take Clinton's offer for go in Hotel bedroom with him in the first place? It's her responsible for say yes instead of suggest Clinton to discuss at Hotel resturant, lounge room or Clinton's office instead of Hotel bedroom... It look like that she agreed to have sex with him because she said yes to his offer...

because I would say NO to Clinton's offer when I were her... like the example what Jillio's & my post at 2 Kennedy threads...

http://www.alldeaf.com/current-events/52572-doctors-ted-kennedy-has-malignant-brain-tumor.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/topic-debates/52693-kennedy-clan-s-history.html

yep... too bad... same for millions and millions of rape victims who did not report it or lost the case because of lack of evidence and/or credibility and/or emotional strength.... yep... too bad...

Actually but Paula Jones?

I doubt her story because she took Clinton's money to drop the court case. It makes me skeptical to know that she choose to take Clinton's money over truth and justice. I would not take his money but go through until the trial is over to convince the guilty or innocent... I beleive in truth and justice.

I only know that Paula Jones seek a revenage against Clinton for fired her... If Paula want the justice and truth, then reject to take Clinton's money to drop the court case against him until the court decision......

Jiro's post
the difference is... Clinton lied UNDER OATH in front of US Senates. He was being impeached for perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power.

That's exact reason why many women rubbed their hands and jump to against Clinton over his past... They use Clinton's affair scandal as an excuse to bring up over their past with him... If they want to say something about their past with Clinton then say before Clinton's 1st election, not after Clinton's impreachment... :roll:

Anyway, I know Bill Cinton's past affair before 1st Election due TV Document and also Hillary's past as well in TV Document during Election 2008 with Obama... which I thought Americans also know about this, too...

impeaching President is NEVER EASY. NEVER. Nixon's case wasn't that simple either but of course... we'll never know because he resigned. He resigned not because his impeachment is a crystal-clear case but to preserve the integrity and the secrecy of government.

No, Nixon choose to resign to aviod impeachment. Clinton CAN choose to resign to aviod impeachment if he want to but he choose to not resign and face impeachment.

What most Republican voted to impeach Clinton over lies due blowjob is a biggest pain stupidest because it waste taxpayers' money... :roll:

Sure, I don't like what and how Clinton did... I would divorced him when I were Hillary... Oh well, this is her problem, not mine...

Anyway, DevelDare7's posts at other lock thread make sense to me. I agreed with her.

 

[DURAY]

Congress approvd war by the War Powers Act after a certain weeks/months.

During Reagan, Congress refused to cuts the budgets and they kept increasing the funding with any more funding thus the federal government has to borrow. The same congress where most liberal Democrts excempted all federal labor laws until the Republicans won in 1994 and passed the Congressional Accountability Act.

One thing I find very interesting about this thread while reading. I noticed that congress has not been mentioned once. Why does congress never get blamed or applauded for things they do. For example:
except for few exceptions, Presidents cannot go to war without congress approval which they voted to go to war against Iraq. Remember, Hillary voted for going to war?
Presidents cannot spend money without congress approval. Congress controls the money. They approved all the money that has been spent causing the deficits to go up.
Why not point the finger where the problem really is which is whole government? Not just the president.
As for economy, presidents really do not have the power to change how econmics goes, that belongs to the people.
People spent way more than they can afford (number 1 mistake) for a house which the company willinging loaned (number 2 mistake). Place the blame on everybody, not just whoever is sitting at White House at the moment disasters strikes.

 

[DURAY]

Like the European did nothing on Kosovo, Serbia, etc? The US provided the mighty peacekeeping forces in an era of defense budgets.

Because Iraq invaded Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asked us for help. This Iraqi invasion was condemned by the world. What do you propose? sit and do nothing? Yea typical of European's stance. They let us do their dirty work and still criticize us. :roll:

 

[DURAY]

and can you explain us why the Soviet Union send troops in Hungary in 1958, the Czecholavia in 1968 and Afghanistan in 1979? All in the name of communism imperialism, killing thousands of innocent Hungarians, Czechs and Afghans?

Can you explain us why Bush´s father send troops to Gulf War if Saddam is not reason?