Why adults choose CI's for their children

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faire_jour said:
Oh, and I NEVER said that non-speaking Deaf individuals can not succeed, if I believed that I would have never used ASL with my child. I merely said that there are situations in which the lack of oral skills makes things more difficult.
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Funny..I have good oral skills but in an enironment full of heairng people talking at a rapid pace, I struggle.

In the educational setting, despite my good oral skills, I was constantly left out, missed information, and etc. My life was more of a struggle as an oral-only deaf person than as a bilingual deaf person that I am now.
 
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The thread was temporarily moved out of the public view for a cleaning up and a review.

Now, I've went through the WHOLE thread and have removed some posts that were due to personal attacks, provoking and to the point where it led to "finger-pointing". This kind of behavior has to stop.

Also, A lot of posts were off-topic and it was led to bi-bi issues or issues related to the educational field. For these posts, it has been moved from this thread to another thread.

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Now, Let's please stick to the topic and give this thread a fresh start.

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faire_jour said:
Oh, and I NEVER said that non-speaking Deaf individuals can not succeed, if I believed that I would have never used ASL with my child. I merely said that there are situations in which the lack of oral skills makes things more difficult.
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Not to start up another flame-war...but I totally agree to what you said.

The only situations that I need to have an interpreter is in a classroom environment. I have always relied on my oral skills for anything, from ordering pizza to taking care of surgical veterinary patients. There has been times where I would struggle (pre CI), but I managed because of my oral skills.

However, there are some deaf people that have poor or little oral skills that still get by, but they do struggle in an everyday type of environment. (THIS IMO observations...don't judge me on this)
 
LadySekhmet said:
Not to start up another flame-war...but I totally agree to what you said.

The only situations that I need to have an interpreter is in a classroom environment. I have always relied on my oral skills for anything, from ordering pizza to taking care of surgical veterinary patients. There has been times where I would struggle (pre CI), but I managed because of my oral skills.

However, there are some deaf people that have poor or little oral skills that still get by, but they do struggle in an everyday type of environment. (THIS IMO observations...don't judge me on this)
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Thank you. I know it is not a popular thing to say. I am trying to make the point that denying a child the opportunity for oral skills could be considered limiting as well.
 
faire_jour said:
Thank you. I know it is not a popular thing to say. I am trying to make the point that denying a child the opportunity for oral skills could be considered limiting as well.
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Who is proposing that a child be denied the opportunity for learning oral skills? If that is what you are seeing, then you have misunderstood.
 
jillio said:
Who is proposing that a child be denied the opportunity for learning oral skills? If that is what you are seeing, then you have misunderstood.
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I see it everyday at my daughter's bi-bi school.
 
faire_jour said:
I see it everyday at my daughter's bi-bi school.
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U mean they forbid speech classes at the school? That doesnt happen at my BiBi program. Strange.
 
shel90 said:
U mean they forbid speech classes at the school? That doesnt happen at my BiBi program. Strange.
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I have never seen a bi-bi program that denies any child the opportunity to develop oral skills. In order to do that, they would have to follow a child around 24/7 and make sure that they were never exposed to oral language through any medium. They would have to forbid parents from providing their child with speech therapy. They would have to have control over that child's environment at all times.
 
jillio said:
I have never seen a bi-bi program that denies any child the opportunity to develop oral skills.
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:dunno: I am curious about fair jour's daughter's school and if they deny children speech services.

The program where I work at just started a spoken language class for high school this year. Curious to see how that will work out.
 
They offer 15 minutes once a week.

But I was refering to "parents who limit their children". My point was that yes oral only enviroments limit children, and that is not ok, but often Deaf parents "limit" their Deaf children by not providing amplification or opportunity for oral skills. Why is that acceptable?
 
This may or may not shine light on things, but I used to volunteer at a school for the Deaf one summer. I helped the teachers to do little tedious tasks like cleaning up desks, putting things away, etc. This school was for 1st grade to 5th grade. Shortly before I volunteered, the school decided to be 100% oral instead of BiBi. That did NOT stop the kids from speaking to each other in sign, and how can the teachers stop them anyway? In times of frustration, teachers resort to ASL, "screaming" NO!! DONT DO THAT! in ASL. In my class there were about 10 kids, 2 with CI and the rest with hearing aids. Varied degrees of deafness. All spoke ASL and all did have some degree of oral skills (I am not 100% sure, I AM deaf, how can I tell?! :) ) So I have personally seen the tendency towards ASL over oral skills even in a supposedly 100% oral environment.
 
faire_jour said:
They offer 15 minutes once a week.

But I was refering to "parents who limit their children". My point was that yes oral only enviroments limit children, and that is not ok, but often Deaf parents "limit" their Deaf children by not providing amplification or opportunity for oral skills. Why is that acceptable?
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I have a friend who is culturally deaf and was raised with ASL and spoken English at the Deaf school. She has 2 kids who are deaf too and she had them sent to speech therapy just to see if they can develop oral skills and sure enough they did cuz both of her deaf kids can switch between languages easily and they are both in high school now at their Deaf school. They are also involved in volunteer programs that the nearby public schools established so they are around hearing kids too.

She is a perfect example of one deaf family who does that and I know other deaf people who have had their children fitted with hearing aids and now, I am starting to learn about some deaf families getting CIs for their deaf kids. Sure there are some who dont do that and it is cuz the deaf parents themselves dont have speech skills but I know that they have said that they are all for it if their deaf kids want to learn oral skills. I dont know what else to say.

15 mins a day for the small ones? Not enough..they need more but just not an all day thing, ya know?
 
Daredevel7 said:
This may or may not shine light on things, but I used to volunteer at a school for the Deaf one summer. I helped the teachers to do little tedious tasks like cleaning up desks, putting things away, etc. This school was for 1st grade to 5th grade. Shortly before I volunteered, the school decided to be 100% oral instead of BiBi. That did NOT stop the kids from speaking to each other in sign, and how can the teachers stop them anyway? In times of frustration, teachers resort to ASL, "screaming" NO!! DONT DO THAT! in ASL. In my class there were about 10 kids, 2 with CI and the rest with hearing aids. Varied degrees of deafness. All spoke ASL and all did have some degree of oral skills (I am not 100% sure, I AM deaf, how can I tell?! :) ) So I have personally seen the tendency towards ASL over oral skills even in a supposedly 100% oral environment.
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Well, the kids obviously wanted full access to communication, language and everything so it makes sense that they would prefer to use ASL because less misunderstandings and miscommunications occur therefore leading to fluid communication jusst like hearing kids have when they use spoken language. Why should deaf kids experience constant frustration in the educational setting and running the risk of them losing movtivation to learn? I would rather make learning a rich and fulfilling experience for them so they can continue with their curiousity for learning instead of getitng them frustrated from not understanding everything or miscommunicating with each ther and losing that curiousity for learning.
 
shel90 said:
I have a friend who is culturally deaf and was raised with ASL and spoken English at the Deaf school. She has 2 kids who are deaf too and she had them sent to speech therapy just to see if they can develop oral skills and sure enough they did cuz both of her deaf kids can switch between languages easily and they are both in high school now at their Deaf school. They are also involved in volunteer programs that the nearby public schools established so they are around hearing kids too.

She is a perfect example of one deaf family who does that and I know other deaf people who have had their children fitted with hearing aids and now, I am starting to learn about some deaf families getting CIs for their deaf kids. Sure there are some who dont do that and it is cuz the deaf parents themselves dont have speech skills but I know that they have said that they are all for it if their deaf kids want to learn oral skills. I dont know what else to say.

15 mins a day for the small ones? Not enough..they need more but just not an all day thing, ya know?
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15 minutes a WEEK.

That would be an example of a parent not limiting a child. I have however never seen that in my experience. There is 1 D of D child in our school with amplification, she wears one hearing aid. She does not do speech therapy and 99% of the rest D of D don't either. This is considered normal and perfectly appropriate.
 
faire_jour said:
15 minutes a WEEK.

That would be an example of a parent not limiting a child. I have however never seen that in my experience. There is 1 D of D child in our school with amplification, she wears one hearing aid. She does not do speech therapy and 99% of the rest D of D don't either. This is considered normal and perfectly appropriate.
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15 mins a week is not sufficient enough. Yes, I appear to be pro-ASL only but I am not and I have realistic views that 15 mins a week is not gonna help.

Why did the school set it up that way? Lack of funding or jsut their policy?
 
shel90 said:
15 mins a week is not sufficient enough. Yes, I appear to be pro-ASL only but I am not and I have realistic views that 15 mins a week is not gonna help.

Why did the school set it up that way? Lack of funding or jsut their policy?
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Lack of support from those who shell out the money. We get one day a week to have speech services for every child in the school. Things are getting better now because of various political things changing. They are aiming for 3 times a week for her now.
 
faire_jour said:
Lack of support from those who shell out the money. We get one day a week to have speech services for every child in the school. Things are getting better now because of various political things changing. They are aiming for 3 times a week for her now.
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Then, blame it on those who wont shell out the money. At first it sounded like administrators at the school were against it or something.
 
ooops..are we going off topic again? I didnt realize I was in this thread when I made my last few posts...
 
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