Atheist soldier sues Army for 'unconstitutional' discrimination

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KANSAS CITY, Kansas (CNN) -- Army Spc. Jeremy Hall was raised Baptist.

Army Spc. Jeremy Hall, who was raised Baptist but is now an atheist, says the military violated his religious freedom.
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Like many Christians, he said grace before dinner and read the Bible before bed. Four years ago when he was deployed to Iraq, he packed his Bible so he would feel closer to God.

He served two tours of duty in Iraq and has a near perfect record. But somewhere between the tours, something changed. Hall, now 23, said he no longer believes in God, fate, luck or anything supernatural.

Hall said he met some atheists who suggested he read the Bible again. After doing so, he said he had so many unanswered questions that he decided to become an atheist.

His sudden lack of faith, he said, cost him his military career and put his life at risk. Hall said his life was threatened by other troops and the military assigned a full-time bodyguard to protect him out of fear for his safety.

In March, Hall filed a federal lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Defense and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, among others. In the suit, Hall claims his rights to religious freedom under the First Amendment were violated and suggests that the United States military has become a Christian organization.

"I think it's utterly and totally wrong. Unconstitutional," Hall said.

Hall said there is a pattern of discrimination against non-Christians in the military.

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Two years ago on Thanksgiving Day, after refusing to pray at his table, Hall said he was told to go sit somewhere else. In another incident, when he was nearly killed during an attack on his Humvee, he said another soldier asked him, "Do you believe in Jesus now?"

Hall isn't seeking compensation in his lawsuit -- just the guarantee of religious freedom in the military. Eventually, Hall was sent home early from Iraq and later returned to Fort Riley in Junction City, Kansas, to complete his tour of duty.

He also said he missed out on promotions because he is an atheist.

"I was told because I can't put my personal beliefs aside and pray with troops I wouldn't make a good leader," Hall said.

Michael Weinstein, a retired senior Air Force officer and founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, is suing along with Hall. Weinstein said he's been contacted by more than 8,000 members of the military, almost all of them complaining of pressure to embrace evangelical Christianity.

"Our Pentagon, our Pentacostalgon, is refusing to realize that when you put the uniform on, there's only one religious faith: patriotism," Weinstein said.

Religious discrimination is a violation of the First Amendment and is also against military policy. The Pentagon refused to discuss specifics of Hall's case -- citing the litigation. But Deputy Undersecretary Bill Carr said complaints of evangelizing are "relatively rare." He also said the Pentagon is not pushing one faith among troops.

"If an atheist chose to follow their convictions, absolutely that's acceptable," said Carr. "And that's a point of religious accommodation in department policy, one may hold whatever faith, or may hold no faith."

Weinstein said he doesn't buy it and points to a promotional video by a group called Christian Embassy. The video, which shows U.S. generals in uniform, was shot inside the Pentagon. The generals were subsequently reprimanded.

Another group, the Officers' Christian Fellowship, has representatives on nearly all military bases worldwide. Its vision, which is spelled out on the organization's Web site, reads, "A spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform empowered by the Holy Spirit."

Weinstein has a different interpretation.

"Their purpose is to have Christian officers exercise Biblical leadership to raise up a godly army," he says.

But Carr said the military's position is clear.

"Proselytizing or advancing a religious conviction is not what the nation would have us do and it's not what the military does," Carr said.

The U.S. Justice Department is expected to respond to Hall's lawsuit this week. In the meantime, he continues to work in the military police unit at Fort Riley and plans to leave as soon as his tour of duty expires next year.

Atheist soldier sues Army for 'unconstitutional' discrimination - CNN.com
 
No religion debate, please.

Mod, you can move this thread to religion forum to become read only to ADers if needed.

For me, that's so sad and 1st Amendment offers religious freedom, that means we can believe or not.

I hope Hall will win the case.
 
That's sad and so hopeless.

It's kinda of annoying to me; it's just another christiaphobia thread...
 
That's sad and so hopeless.

It's kinda of annoying to me; it's just another christiaphobia thread...

Not mine, it was CNN that make report.

I'm apologize if you feel like that.
 
Not mine, it was CNN that make report.

Heh, I can see that. :)
I'm apologize if you feel like that.

That's all right.

This man should gain some respect from others. My opinion, whosever did to him are not a Christian; they just gave us a bad name.

Oh well... but, thanks for sharing w us. :)
 
That's all right.

This man should gain some respect from others. My opinion, whosever did to him are not a Christian; they just gave us a bad name.

Oh well... but, thanks for sharing w us. :)

Ok, when discriminate comes to be happen then victim would make negative, it happens like if you got fired by black boss because of you are white, that cause you make negative against black community, just for example.

I have nothing to against on every religion but not realized about how bad is this thread, Christian has mixed of views from liberal to conservative, very widely in mind about accept or not. I don't like when people are pushes me to believe into their belief but I would greatly appreciate if talking in manner way instead of pushes everyone into like that.

Excuse me about religion discussion. :o
 
Very interesting. During the 24 years that Hubby and I were in the Navy, we never experienced anything like that. If anything, the bias was against any outward expression of religious practices while on duty. I wonder if the military has really changed that much. :dunno:

I've never heard of anyone being passed over for promotion because of atheism. In the Navy enlisted advancement system religion isn't even mentioned. The Navy set a quota for each rate and rating for each exam cycle. We took the computer-graded exam, and had to get a certain minimum score for advancement. Our performance evaluations had to be a certain number. At some levels we also got points for number of years service. There was no question about religion or lack of same. It was actually a very impersonal process.

Could it be that Hall was passed over more because he was perceived to not be a team player, or that he was a poor leader?

I suspect there is more to this story.
 
Very interesting. During the 24 years that Hubby and I were in the Navy, we never experienced anything like that. If anything, the bias was against any outward expression of religious practices while on duty. I wonder if the military has really changed that much. :dunno:

I've never heard of anyone being passed over for promotion because of atheism. In the Navy enlisted advancement system religion isn't even mentioned. The Navy set a quota for each rate and rating for each exam cycle. We took the computer-graded exam, and had to get a certain minimum score for advancement. Our performance evaluations had to be a certain number. At some levels we also got points for number of years service. There was no question about religion or lack of same. It was actually a very impersonal process.

Could it be that Hall was passed over more because he was perceived to not be a team player, or that he was a poor leader?

I suspect there is more to this story.

Yup, I don't think that military service are promote on religion at first place but they did, not very surprised about it but my father don't practice his religion in Marines, he's just act like not care about it.

Atheism hasn't been very widely to know until 90's when more Americans are switch to atheist, agnostic or claim as no religion for varies of reason.

For me, if I join here then I wouldn't promote my religion into military service, no thanks.
 
I can never understand why the armies would get the religions into one of armies's issues which the religions are WAYYY different subject than the army subject.
 
"A spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform empowered by the Holy Spirit."

I don't see how anyone can think that even makes sense...never understood the juxtaposition of "Christianity" with war.
 
No religion debate, please.

Mod, you can move this thread to religion forum to become read only to ADers if needed.

For me, that's so sad and 1st Amendment offers religious freedom, that means we can believe or not.

I hope Hall will win the case.

Mod's Note:

Thread's requested to be moved to religion forum by the creator of this thread.
 
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