Return of the Great Depression? - Page 3

Jiro · 02-02-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chris' mom

i'm neither..as long as our economy gets back to where it needs to be and more jobs are opened up..is really all I care about

you're called Independent like me... just that my view is more of moderate Conservative but I'm flexible in a way.

SnAzZyStyLe2002 · 02-03-2009, 01:51 AM

Ugh. Welcome to the Great Depression II.

At least my parents' and my sister's jobs are not lost. I'm an IT specialist at an university, so my job's secure. Schools, healthcare, and IT jobs are all secure jobs.

Tousi · 02-03-2009, 02:06 AM

Re: the Depression, I think we could be at the abyss fairly quickly if certain forces come into play.

Re: conservative/liberal; if any of you are at either end of the spectrum, I imagine you would know what a certain radio talk show host means when he says he hopes Obama will fail.

Oh, and poo to those who use the Ignore feature.

Byrdie714 · 02-03-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

As the thread opener, I commandeth everyone to behave!

How can you come down so hard on Bush for spending so much and then hope Obama spends even more? Is this a matter of principle? Or do you have some other reason for approving of this particular spending?

Things have not gotten anywhere close to the conditions of the Great Depression. The standard of living then was far below where it is now. At its peak, unemployment reached 25% during the Great Depression. Right now, it's around 7%. This isn't to say a Great Depression can't happen in the near future, but let's keep current situation in perspective.

I guess you won't get an answer from Hear Again to your questions Darkdog.....

Foxrac · 02-03-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SnAzZyStyLe2002

Ugh. Welcome to the Great Depression II.

At least my parents' and my sister's jobs are not lost. I'm an IT specialist at an university, so my job's secure. Schools, healthcare, and IT jobs are all secure jobs.

Not always, you could get lay off in anytime, even when recession is worse.

For school, if state is unable to receive an efficient funds from tax then state would face to lay state employees off, including teachers and I know that some teachers got laid off during recession in 2001.

Same goes to hospital, if hospital faces less funds and low patients will be lay employees off.

For IT, heard of MS, IBM and EA, they are lay employees off.

All jobs are never secure, lay off could occur in anytime, especially recession.

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SnAzZyStyLe2002

Ugh. Welcome to the Great Depression II.

At least my parents' and my sister's jobs are not lost. I'm an IT specialist at an university, so my job's secure. Schools, healthcare, and IT jobs are all secure jobs.

You Betcha!

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Byrdie714

I guess you won't get an answer from Hear Again to your questions Darkdog.....

lol she's very busy in other thread

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not always, you could get lay off in anytime, even when recession is worse.

For school, if state is unable to receive an efficient funds from tax then state would face to lay state employees off, including teachers and I know that some teachers got laid off during recession in 2001.

Same goes to hospital, if hospital faces less funds and low patients will be lay employees off.

For IT, heard of MS, IBM and EA, they are lay employees off.

All jobs are never secure, lay off could occur in anytime, especially recession.

hospital? lay-off? I don't know where you've been but have you ever heard of hospital lay-off? Doctors are the most secured job in the world. There are always sick people.

Foxrac · 02-03-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

hospital? lay-off? I don't know where you've been but have you ever heard of hospital lay-off? Doctors are the most secured job in the world. There are always sick people.

Yup, some did, especially on nurses.

I haven't heard about doctors but only nurses.

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Yup, some did, especially on nurses.

I haven't heard about doctors but only nurses.

actually you're right. Yes some doctors have been laid-off but not from hospitals. It's their own private offices that went kaput because most of them do not work with insurance companies (they rely on cash from patients) so yea - they're gone. bye bye!

Nurses... I HIGHLY doubt it because in America - there are ALWAYS shortage of nurses. It's a pretty safe job (and WELL-PAID!!) but stressful because they're on 12-hrs rotation. if nurses have been laid off... it's probably because they're useless

but seriously - the other reason is that if doctors/nurses were laid off... it's probably because their hospital went belly-up. My hospital near me went bankrupted due to massive corruption. oh well!

Foxrac · 02-03-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

actually you're right. Yes some doctors have been laid-off but not from hospitals. It's their own private offices that went kaput because most of them do not work with insurance companies (they rely on cash from patients) so yea - they're gone. bye bye!

Nurses... I HIGHLY doubt it because in America - there are ALWAYS shortage of nurses. It's a pretty safe job (and WELL-PAID!!) but stressful because they're on 12-hrs rotation. if nurses have been laid off... it's probably because they're useless

Some nurses does got laid off, my mother work at director for nurse at hospital and she said it's true for some hospitals if they are face struggle with funds.

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Some nurses does got laid off, my mother work at director for nurse at hospital and she said it's true for some hospitals if they are face struggle with funds.

whoops! you missed my re-edit. here - "but seriously - the other reason is that if doctors/nurses were laid off... it's probably because their hospital went belly-up. My hospital near me bankrupted due to massive corruption. oh well!"

Foxrac · 02-03-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

whoops! you missed my re-edit. here - "but seriously - the other reason is that if doctors/nurses were laid off... it's probably because their hospital went belly-up. My hospital near me bankrupted due to massive corruption. oh well!"

Well, depends on hospitals, if hospital got plenty of nurses that don't meet to their funds then they will lay few nurses off to meet their budget and patient's demand.

If hospital don't have enough nurses to meet demand then they are safe with job and good for job opening.

Jiro · 02-03-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Well, depends on hospitals, if hospital got plenty of nurses that don't meet to their funds then they will lay few nurses off to meet their budget and patient's demand.

If hospital don't have enough nurses to meet demand then they are safe with job and good for job opening.

yep! it's very easy for nurses to find job somewhere else. there are always always in demand for doctor/nurse. but for IT? businessmen? good luck...

darkdog · 02-03-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Haha. I never expected to see the great Reba bow down to me, but here we are.............

I'm not worthy! I'm scum! I suck!

Reba · 02-03-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

hospital? lay-off? I don't know where you've been but have you ever heard of hospital lay-off? Doctors are the most secured job in the world. There are always sick people.

They do lay off nurses, housekeeping, admin, and maintenance staff.

Reba · 02-03-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by darkdog

Haha. I never expected to see the great Reba bow down to me, but here we are.............

I'm not worthy! I'm scum! I suck!

Feel better now?

naisho · 02-03-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Reba kowtowing?
That's a first!
WHAT DID YOU DO!?!

darkdog · 02-03-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Feel better now?

Yes. The balance of the universe has now been restored.

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Originally Posted by naisho

Reba kowtowing?
That's a first!
WHAT DID YOU DO!?!

All I did was assert my authority as supreme creator of the thread!

Jolie77 · 02-03-2009, 03:27 PM

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Liebling:-))) · 02-04-2009, 02:50 AM

Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade

US President Barack Obama says that he does not want to send a protectionist message on world trade and would look at altering "buy American" provisions in an economic stimulus bill coming out of Congress. In interviews to American television networks, Obama said the US needed to ensure that provisions in the nearly 900-billion-dollar stimulus plan did not trigger a trade war. The bill, which still requires the approval of the Senate, would require major public works projects to favour US suppliers over foreign competitors. Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Washington to refrain from protectionist measures. Germany as the world's top exporter would be hit hard by such a move. Other EU members, Canada and Australia have also voiced concern. Last week, the US House of Representatives demanded the inclusion of the ''buy American'' provisions in the stimulus bill.

Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade | World News | Deutsche Welle | 04.02.2009

Byrdie714 · 02-04-2009, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

They do lay off nurses, housekeeping, admin, and maintenance staff.

Especially if the hospital isn't making any money. However the good news is that there is always a demand for nurses, doctors and the economic outlook is good for them.

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade

US President Barack Obama says that he does not want to send a protectionist message on world trade and would look at altering "buy American" provisions in an economic stimulus bill coming out of Congress. In interviews to American television networks, Obama said the US needed to ensure that provisions in the nearly 900-billion-dollar stimulus plan did not trigger a trade war. The bill, which still requires the approval of the Senate, would require major public works projects to favour US suppliers over foreign competitors. Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Washington to refrain from protectionist measures. Germany as the world's top exporter would be hit hard by such a move. Other EU members, Canada and Australia have also voiced concern. Last week, the US House of Representatives demanded the inclusion of the ''buy American'' provisions in the stimulus bill.

Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade | World News | Deutsche Welle | 04.02.2009

I agree that we shouldn't send a "protectionist message" to the rest of the world however we do need to start supporting American industries by buying American.

When we buy American--we would still be buying raw materials from abroad to make our products.

diehardbiker · 02-04-2009, 01:13 PM

Yes, this is very true. The hospital that my son was born, gone bankrupt just a month after he was born there! All Dr., Nurses, staffs have been laid off! Even worse, it was not during recession!

No job is 100% safe, of course jobs as nurses and doctors have very very very low chance of getting laid off, in other word "rare".

I have know some people who got "Tenure" from university ACTUALLY got laid off! If you heard some said I have Tenure at this university, it means lifetime guarantee employment with university. It is STILL not 100% guaranteed. The term "Lifetime" does not apply to tenured employee, it applies to the life of University.

Even though I know my job is very secured, I am not worry about it HOWEVER, I do know that anything CAN happen and I can lose my job. If I lose my job, I will go nuts!

If you really want job security, how to get job security? Easy! Its all within YOU and myself. I create my job security inside me, why? If I really want job security, I have to work hard, and show proof that I am damn serious with company, and be ahead of anyone even though I strongly believe in teamwork. I have to watch my attitude, and the truth is attitude is everything! I also show alot respect to my bosses, they gave respect back to me. This is telling me that I am ok on job, that is my job security. They can kick me out if they want to, but again I have to show them respect, and do what I am expected. I believe that I have to support the company, without my support, why would my company pay me for? And if they continue paying me, and I make my company lose money, I will be the one to leave the company earlier with pink slip, that is part of attitude that needs to be avoided. Unfortunately there are plenty of people think of nothing but themselves, this kind of attitude hurts company bottom line and they are the one who usually go first.

So, never say never!

DHB

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Originally Posted by Foxrac

Not always, you could get lay off in anytime, even when recession is worse.

For school, if state is unable to receive an efficient funds from tax then state would face to lay state employees off, including teachers and I know that some teachers got laid off during recession in 2001.

Same goes to hospital, if hospital faces less funds and low patients will be lay employees off.

For IT, heard of MS, IBM and EA, they are lay employees off.

All jobs are never secure, lay off could occur in anytime, especially recession.

Jiro · 02-06-2009, 05:22 AM

The Action Americans Need - by Obama

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By now, it's clear to everyone that we have inherited an economic crisis as deep and dire as any since the days of the Great Depression. Millions of jobs that Americans relied on just a year ago are gone; millions more of the nest eggs families worked so hard to build have vanished. People everywhere are worried about what tomorrow will bring.

What Americans expect from Washington is action that matches the urgency they feel in their daily lives -- action that's swift, bold and wise enough for us to climb out of this crisis.

Because each day we wait to begin the work of turning our economy around, more people lose their jobs, their savings and their homes. And if nothing is done, this recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.

That's why I feel such a sense of urgency about the recovery plan before Congress. With it, we will create or save more than 3 million jobs over the next two years, provide immediate tax relief to 95 percent of American workers, ignite spending by businesses and consumers alike, and take steps to strengthen our country for years to come.

This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending -- it's a strategy for America's long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care and education. And it's a strategy that will be implemented with unprecedented transparency and accountability, so Americans know where their tax dollars are going and how they are being spent.

In recent days, there have been misguided criticisms of this plan that echo the failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis -- the notion that tax cuts alone will solve all our problems; that we can meet our enormous tests with half-steps and piecemeal measures; that we can ignore fundamental challenges such as energy independence and the high cost of health care and still expect our economy and our country to thrive.

I reject these theories, and so did the American people when they went to the polls in November and voted resoundingly for change. They know that we have tried it those ways for too long. And because we have, our health-care costs still rise faster than inflation. Our dependence on foreign oil still threatens our economy and our security. Our children still study in schools that put them at a disadvantage. We've seen the tragic consequences when our bridges crumble and our levees fail.

Every day, our economy gets sicker -- and the time for a remedy that puts Americans back to work, jump-starts our economy and invests in lasting growth is now.

Now is the time to protect health insurance for the more than 8 million Americans at risk of losing their coverage and to computerize the health-care records of every American within five years, saving billions of dollars and countless lives in the process.

Now is the time to save billions by making 2 million homes and 75 percent of federal buildings more energy-efficient, and to double our capacity to generate alternative sources of energy within three years.

Now is the time to give our children every advantage they need to compete by upgrading 10,000 schools with state-of-the-art classrooms, libraries and labs; by training our teachers in math and science; and by bringing the dream of a college education within reach for millions of Americans.

And now is the time to create the jobs that remake America for the 21st century by rebuilding aging roads, bridges and levees; designing a smart electrical grid; and connecting every corner of the country to the information superhighway.

These are the actions Americans expect us to take without delay. They're patient enough to know that our economic recovery will be measured in years, not months. But they have no patience for the same old partisan gridlock that stands in the way of action while our economy continues to slide.

So we have a choice to make. We can once again let Washington's bad habits stand in the way of progress. Or we can pull together and say that in America, our destiny isn't written for us but by us. We can place good ideas ahead of old ideological battles, and a sense of purpose above the same narrow partisanship. We can act boldly to turn crisis into opportunity and, together, write the next great chapter in our history and meet the test of our time.

Jiro · 02-06-2009, 05:24 AM

Obama Stimulus Speech: "Time For Action Is Now" (VIDEO)
(transcript is too long to be posted in here)

The "FDR Failed" Myth

02-03-2009, 01:51 AM	#62 (permalink)
SnAzZyStyLe2002 ~Dr. Emperor Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 510	Ugh. Welcome to the Great Depression II. At least my parents' and my sister's jobs are not lost. I'm an IT specialist at an university, so my job's secure. Schools, healthcare, and IT jobs are all secure jobs. __________________ ~Dr. Emperor

02-03-2009, 02:06 AM	#63 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 12,330	Re: the Depression, I think we could be at the abyss fairly quickly if certain forces come into play. Re: conservative/liberal; if any of you are at either end of the spectrum, I imagine you would know what a certain radio talk show host means when he says he hopes Obama will fail. Oh, and poo to those who use the Ignore feature. Last edited by Tousi; 02-03-2009 at 10:17 AM.

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Jolie77 Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kentucky, USA (The Bluegrass State) Posts: 8,182 Blog Entries: 1	Mod's note: There has been some posts that were removed thus for being constantly off topic and bears no relation to this thread. For once and all, Please remain on the topic. Also, Keep in mind - Personal Attacks are not going to be tolerated on this forum. Thank You. __________________ “Tough girls come from New York. Sweet girls, they're from Georgia. But us Kentucky girls, we have fire and ice in our blood. We can ride horses, be a debutante, throw left hooks, and drink with the boys, all the while making sweet tea, darlin'. And if we have an opinion, you know you're gonna hear it.” - Ashley Judd

02-04-2009, 02:50 AM	#81 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 30,988	Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade US President Barack Obama says that he does not want to send a protectionist message on world trade and would look at altering "buy American" provisions in an economic stimulus bill coming out of Congress. In interviews to American television networks, Obama said the US needed to ensure that provisions in the nearly 900-billion-dollar stimulus plan did not trigger a trade war. The bill, which still requires the approval of the Senate, would require major public works projects to favour US suppliers over foreign competitors. Earlier, German Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Washington to refrain from protectionist measures. Germany as the world's top exporter would be hit hard by such a move. Other EU members, Canada and Australia have also voiced concern. Last week, the US House of Representatives demanded the inclusion of the ''buy American'' provisions in the stimulus bill. Obama says US can't send protectionist message on trade \| World News \| Deutsche Welle \| 04.02.2009 __________________

02-06-2009, 05:24 AM	#85 (permalink)
Jiro YOU DOMESTIC DISSENT! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Soprano State Posts: 36,587	Obama Stimulus Speech: "Time For Action Is Now" (VIDEO) (transcript is too long to be posted in here) The "FDR Failed" Myth __________________ - Don't forget to buy Jiro's Special Edition Sunglasses for $19.95

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