Liebling:-)))

Could you please provide the link to support your claim here?

I only know that wolves are shy around the humans and aviod humans when they see them in the forest. It´s rare that wolves attack humans.

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Tousi

Those animals are killed no matter what program is in place. That is another subject.

Liebling:-)))

for post good link here. It´s fanastic feeling when I look your link. *I will go bed soon so I will read them tomorrow*

Good Night

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KarissaMann05

Many interesting posts, indeed.

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Angel

I did not say ALL of them, what I've been trying to say here is that millions of animals death could be prevented, if there was another solution to reduces the overpopulation problem and it can be solved if each of us takes just one small step back by not allowing some animals to breed that why I said spaying and neutering is the first step to a solution instead of killing these poor animals.

Jiro

Have you ever heard of "Educated Guess" ? In order to capture the wolf to spay/neuter wolf... this is how you do it -

You need to pay for:
1. hire pilot + 1-2 Ranger + 1-2 Vets
2. rental of a plane/copter
3. supply of tranquilizer darts
4. cost of fuel to fly around to find wolves
5. cost of cages
6. transportation of wolves+cages from copter/plane to vet hospital
7. cost of veterinary expenses
8. another cost of transporting wolves BACK to copter/plane to wildlife

Please refer to my previous post - Wolf Management in Alaska with an Historic Perspective Presentation to the Alaska Board of Game .
I believe I can assure you that $400,000 is a PENNY compared to cost to spay/neuter wolves in that manner above. According to your so-called statistic.... there are 7,000 to 11,000 wolves so I'm assuming the whole expenses is perhaps $5,000+ per wolf. So that would be.. minimum $35,000,000

Jiro

no. just less aggressive and less horny . They can live normally.

Jiro

No I did not misinterpret your post at all. You misspoke - something you should be aware of and should be careful of what you say.

And yes I brought up the fact of Roy Siegfried because it was a direct response to your silly post where you said "Wolves CAN be pet if you adopt and raise them with love." I have to correct you there that wolves ARE NOT A DOG and will NEVER be like dog and SHOULD NEVER BE TREATED LIKE A DOG NOR PET! To do so is NOT respecting the nature.... which is why Roy Siegfried got mauled.

So................... do you understand now that this reality is not Animal Planets nor Disney Walt movies?

Jiro

yes of course. Any animals that operate in groups are highly complex and very intelligent creature. Its social structure, communication, and biological adaptation are extraordinary fascinating. I can go on for days to talk about wolves. I absolutely love wolves which is why I want to get a dog that closely resembles wolf.

There is a sanctuary for wolves in NJ - Lakota Wolf Reserve. I have not been there yet but it's kinda far from my home. I'll go there someday.

Jiro

It was already been tried. The debate has concluded that it was ineffective and extremely costly. Refer to my previous post - Wolf Management in Alaska with an Historic Perspective Presentation to the Alaska Board of Game

Jiro

That is odd way of displaying your anger. You're OK with hunters who hunted for food/warmth but not for trophy. Interesting.... do you know how hunters (who killed for food/warmth) kill animals? Do you think animals do not suffer?

It is quite common that animals do not die from one-shot. They are very wounded but they're still alive. The bullets are expensive so the hunters just simply skin them alive or just grab them by the legs and smash them against the tree or rock. Why don't you go to youtube.com and see how the Eskimos hunted seals (yes for food and warmth). Isn't that inhumane and brutal too? You should be upset about that as well.

Jiro

it is still very ineffective. You're talking about a controlled scenario where every wolf is accounted for in exact location. That's not possible. What if that spayed/neutered wolf was killed? How do we know if it's 30th cub? How can we ever actually calculate the population to near accuracy? We will never know if the impact of population is directly caused by spaying/neutering. It can be caused by many factors - prolonged winters, diseases, lack of prey population, killed by poachers/traps, etc. etc.

Jiro

no that was not my intent to insult you. Do you not understand what I just said? I have to speak it in your language which means something that you can clearly understand me because I had to say my message in several different ways and clearly.... it's not working... which is why I said I have to figure out how to communicate with you in your own language.

I'm surprised that since you're from England where you speak English.... you have never heard of that phrase? Oh well it's ok - at least I've clarified my statement and I hope you understand better now.

Jiro

Oh..... yea..... shy..... and that's what they said about sharks, mountain lions, grizzly bears, deers......

Jiro

and what are we gonna do about thousands... if not millions of neutered/spayed animals in our very limited shelters? Cram them all in one place? Isn't that cruel and inhumane? they're simply unwanted. It's logical to put them to sleep.

shel90

Wow! This thread became about the overpopulation of animals both pets and wild ones.

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Tousi

That's only because we cannot say the same thing about the the most sophisticated animal!

jillio

We can, but we run the risk of being banned for doing so!

Jolie77

It is evident that the thread has went off course from Ladies: Would you vote for Palin to wolves.

It's been given the run-around over and over again.

If someone wishes to create a new thread about animal culling and/or targeting the topic of wolves/wildlives, please do so.

So, with that, the thread is closed since it has served it's purpose.

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