AGBell Body Snatchers

ASLGAL · 05-18-2009, 09:06 PM

I like this, thought I'd share

It says a lot, at least to me.

YouTube - AGBELL's Body Snatchers

jillio · 05-18-2009, 10:30 PM

Powerful. Thanks for sharing it.

Bebonang · 05-18-2009, 11:53 PM

Oh, I hate to think like having a BIG BROTHER watching over us to make us forget that we are deaf and just not use ASL. Oh, I hate AGBell's method and theory. Thank you for sharing it with me. "sigh" Talking to myself "What is wrong with the AGBell audists?"

deafskeptic · 05-19-2009, 09:09 AM

For some reason I keep thinking of the X-files when I see this film; I dunno why

. Anyway, it certainly says a lot! A.G Bell will never be my hero.

Mountain Man · 05-19-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

Talking to myself "What is wrong with the AGBell audists?"

Have you ever seen the movie Sweet Nothings in My Ear starring Jeff Daniels and Marlee Matlin? There's a line in it that explains this very well: "The majority always thinks the minority wants to be just like them."

Bebonang · 05-19-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Have you ever seen the movie Sweet Nothings in My Ear starring Jeff Daniels and Marlee Matlin? There's a line in it that explains this very well: "The majority always thinks the minority wants to be just like them."

Yes, I have seen the movie "Sweet Nothing in My Ear". I don't remember the line in it, but now that you mention. The question is the majority which mean the hearing people thinks that we the Deaf and Hard of Hearing minority wants to be just like them. Oh, come on, that is a crock of bull crap. We have tried to explain to them many times but they are the ones who don't even want to listen to us about our needs for special accommodation. The hearing people are more deaf then we are. Geez.

flip · 05-20-2009, 01:15 AM

wow. that one was scary!

Mountain Man · 05-20-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

Yes, I have seen the movie "Sweet Nothing in My Ear". I don't remember the line in it, but now that you mention. The question is the majority which mean the hearing people thinks that we the Deaf and Hard of Hearing minority wants to be just like them. Oh, come on, that is a crock of bull crap. We have tried to explain to them many times but they are the ones who don't even want to listen to us about our needs for special accommodation. The hearing people are more deaf then we are. Geez.

As a hearing person, I can understand the mentality, but I can't explain it nor do I agree with it. My son was diagnosed as deaf at 6-months, and I still remember wanting to slap the audiologist for suggesting that my wife and I shouldn't have any more children because there was a chance that our future offspring would also be deaf. We were like, "So what!"

shel90 · 05-20-2009, 10:05 PM

Maybe there are real AGBad body snatchers! I almost got snatched myself...thank god, ASL saved me from becoming a victim!!!

deafskeptic · 05-20-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bebonang

Yes, I have seen the movie "Sweet Nothing in My Ear". I don't remember the line in it, but now that you mention. The question is the majority which mean the hearing people thinks that we the Deaf and Hard of Hearing minority wants to be just like them. Oh, come on, that is a crock of bull crap. We have tried to explain to them many times but they are the ones who don't even want to listen to us about our needs for special accommodation. The hearing people are more deaf then we are. Geez.

Yep. They've got deaf minds.

deafdyke · 05-21-2009, 10:09 PM

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I still remember wanting to slap the audiologist for suggesting that my wife and I shouldn't have any more children because there was a chance that our future offspring would also be deaf. We were like, "So what!"

Mountain Man that's an awesome attitude to have!
In the grand scheme of things, deafness and hearing loss are not that big of a deal.

Dixie · 05-22-2009, 03:49 PM

Sad thing is though is that when parents find out their infant is deaf they flip out like their child now has a fatal life threatening disease that will need management for the rest of their lives. Fact is, deafness is not fatal, it does not lead to a certain death.

I think when a child is confirmed to be hoh/deaf, I think the hospital should be required to offer a pamphlet that simply states the options the parents have and a phone number to a local deaf group or deaf advocacy group. This way they are led to people that can tell you first hand their successes and frustrations with CIs, oral v. manual, and so on. And each state needs to offer ASL classes for the entire family regardless of the parents decision on the placement of their child.

Lissa · 05-23-2009, 10:22 AM

Why do we need to forget we're deaf?........

<confused>

deafskeptic · 05-23-2009, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeafLissa90

Why do we need to forget we're deaf?........

<confused>

The hearing will never let us forget!

Lissa · 05-23-2009, 11:36 AM

Exactly!

ASLGAL · 05-23-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafLissa90

Why do we need to forget we're deaf?........

<confused>

The video is a comment on AGB and the assumption that all people who are deaf are broken and need fixed and if not fixed then to be relocated away from the 'normal' people.
They used the 'Body Snatchers' as a way to illustrate it.

Lord NO! I didn't posted that thinking or saying it was real truth, anything but the real truth. Sorry it was confusing.

loml · 05-23-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASLGAL

The video is a comment on AGB and the assumption that all people who are deaf are broken and need fixed and if not fixed then to be relocated away from the 'normal' people.
They used the 'Body Snatchers' as a way to illustrate it.

These people are talking and not signing.

Exactly what point is that making??

deafdyke · 05-23-2009, 08:23 PM

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These people are talking and not signing. Exactly what point is that making?

Because the unspoken attitude is that talking is "healthy and normal" and that ASL/Sign is something that's a "special needs" crutch.

web730 · 05-23-2009, 08:27 PM

AGBell Body Snatchers!

Really like the sound of its word - just perfect words describing who the AGBad people are!

Rules!

Hear Again · 05-24-2009, 12:30 AM

I can't understand the video because there is no sound. Is that the whole point? <confused>

flip · 05-24-2009, 03:43 AM

Trying to do a transcription here. This is a clip from the most recent hollywood remake of Body Snatchers, with fake subtitles. Actors are movie stars, but don't know their names:

Title is "AGBELL's Body Snatchers". Fadeaway.

Handsome man and woman walk on a street at night, several people, both civilians and military persons, are also walking in different directions.

Man and woman don't seem to be speaking in the beginning when subtitles are put up, so hard to say who is supposed to do the talk in the beginning. Following is what it looks like to me.

Man: Sh*t! More and more Deaf are giving up their souls to AGBELL!

Man: I think it's because of Deaf against Deaf. They were fighting about wether Deaf or ASL is better.

Man: Watch out! She may be one of those AGBELL's Body Snatchers.

They walk for a while.

Man: I hope she's ot one of them. She was our Deaf advocator for the Deaf community.

Camera swift. We see another handsome woman(woman2) appearing in the opposite direction. They all stop, facing each other.

They look at each other for a while. In the backgroun we see military veichiles passing.

Woman 2: Did you forget that you are deaf?

Man: There is no deaf existence here!

Man and woman start to walk, passes woman 2. Woman 2 turns around after man and woman.

Woman 2: Will you keep ASL only and throw away the word, "Deaf"?

Man: Hello no! I keep BOTH Deaf and ASL!

Man and woman continues to walk. Woman 2 stare at them for a while, then point her finger at them and start to scream loudly. Everyone on the street start to chase man and woman.

Fade into black. A cite is put up, staying there until the end of movie:
"We should try ourselves to forget that they are deaf. We should try to teach them to forget that they are deaf."
Alexander Graham Bell, 1884

ASLGAL · 05-24-2009, 09:44 AM

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These people are talking and not signing. Exactly what point is that making??

loml, that is AGB's aim, to obliterate any form of communication but oral and to deny that deafness exists. I thought that was fairly straight forward since the 1800's.

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I can't understand the video because there is no sound. Is that the whole point? <confused>

Darn it, sorry again Hear Again, my bad.
and thanks for translation again Flip.

Quote:

AGBell Body Snatchers!

Really like the sound of its word - just perfect words describing who the AGBad people are!

Deaf Rules!

I thought so too.

shel90 · 05-24-2009, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loml

These people are talking and not signing.

Exactly what point is that making??

AGBad is famous for its views on sign language. Their goal is to eradicate ASL.

loml · 05-24-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ASLGAL

loml, that is AGB's aim, to obliterate any form of communication but oral and to deny that deafness exists. I thought that was fairly straight forward since the 1800's.

ASLGAL - This isn't the 1800's.

Are you engaged in dialogue with anyone from AGBell to express your concerns/claim that: " AGB's aim, to obliterate any form of communication but oral and to deny that deafness exists."

jillio · 05-24-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by loml

ASLGAL - This isn't the 1800's.

Are you engaged in dialogue with anyone from AGBell to express your concerns/claim that: " AGB's aim, to obliterate any form of communication but oral and to deny that deafness exists."

No, this isn't the 1800's. Seems like A.G. Bad would have realized that by now.

Dialogue with A.G. Bad is not possible. They do not accept input from the signing deaf community. Perhaps you have forgotten their protest of the Superbowl commercial based on nothing more than the fact that the commercial used signing deaf.

Hear Again · 05-24-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Perhaps you have forgotten their protest of the Superbowl commercial based on nothing more than the fact that the commercial used signing deaf.

I didn't know that. I find it ironic and sad how an organization who claims to advocate for those who use oral communication thinks nothing about discriminating against those who sign.

Hear Again · 05-24-2009, 12:41 PM

ASLGAL,

It's okay. I know it's easy to post a video and forget to include a description or translation. No worries.

shel90 · 05-24-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hear Again

I didn't know that. I find it ironic and sad how an organization who claims to advocate for those who use oral communication thinks nothing about discriminating against those who sign.

Now, u understand why the Deaf community have no respect for this organization.

ASLGAL · 05-24-2009, 02:17 PM

Quote:

ASLGAL - This isn't the 1800's. Are you engaged in dialogue with anyone from AGBell to express your concerns/claim that: " AGB's aim, to obliterate any form of communication but oral and to deny that deafness exists."

No, it isn't the 1800's but AGB was wrong then and they are still wrong today, they just stubbornly refuse to acknowlege the truth of TC and give up their goal of complete annihilation of D/deaf culture and ASL.

I have attempted to speak to AGB before, as have many others at AD, I'm sure.
The organization is not interested in anything but their own skewed view of what is correct and making people adhere to that view by any means necessary.

jillio stated it well

Quote:

Dialogue with A.G. Bad is not possible. They do not accept input from the signing deaf community. Perhaps you have forgotten their protest of the Superbowl commercial based on nothing more than the fact that the commercial used signing deaf.

Quote:

I find it ironic and sad how an organization who claims to advocate for those who use oral communication thinks nothing about discriminating against those who sign.

Yes, me too Hear Again.

Hear Again · 05-24-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ASLGAL

Yes, me too Hear Again.

I may have CIs, but I can tell you that I will never join an organization like AGBell. As long as they continue to discriminate against those who sign, I want no part of it.

05-18-2009, 11:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bebonang "Deaf Cree Militant" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Manitoulin Island on Lake Huron in Canada Posts: 2,875	Oh, I hate to think like having a BIG BROTHER watching over us to make us forget that we are deaf and just not use ASL. Oh, I hate AGBell's method and theory. Thank you for sharing it with me. "sigh" Talking to myself "What is wrong with the AGBell audists?" __________________ I HAVE BEEN DEAF SINCE BIRTH, AND IT IS STILL AWESOME TO BE . <Deaf> <very happy>

05-19-2009, 09:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
deafskeptic Empress Skeptia Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,528	For some reason I keep thinking of the X-files when I see this film; I dunno why . Anyway, it certainly says a lot! A.G Bell will never be my hero. __________________ Left ear implanted with Med-El on April 24 2007. Activated on May 9th.

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shel90 In a pink and black world Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the land of the free Posts: 23,998 Blog Entries: 3	Maybe there are real AGBad body snatchers! I almost got snatched myself...thank god, ASL saved me from becoming a victim!!! __________________ Shel~ "A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

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Dixie Biggest Wimp of AllDeaf Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,942	Sad thing is though is that when parents find out their infant is deaf they flip out like their child now has a fatal life threatening disease that will need management for the rest of their lives. Fact is, deafness is not fatal, it does not lead to a certain death. I think when a child is confirmed to be hoh/deaf, I think the hospital should be required to offer a pamphlet that simply states the options the parents have and a phone number to a local deaf group or deaf advocacy group. This way they are led to people that can tell you first hand their successes and frustrations with CIs, oral v. manual, and so on. And each state needs to offer ASL classes for the entire family regardless of the parents decision on the placement of their child. __________________ Visit my Deaf Blog Signature banner created by me, please do not steal!

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05-18-2009, 10:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
jillio Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 32,396	Powerful. Thanks for sharing it.

05-20-2009, 01:15 AM	#7 (permalink)
flip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 872	wow. that one was scary!

05-23-2009, 11:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lissa Just me....Lissa Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,093 Blog Entries: 3	Exactly! __________________ Left Ear Nucleus Freedom Implanted-October 25th 2000 Activation-November 28th 2000

05-23-2009, 08:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,163	AGBell Body Snatchers! Really like the sound of its word - just perfect words describing who the AGBad people are! Rules! __________________

05-24-2009, 12:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	I can't understand the video because there is no sound. Is that the whole point? <confused> __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

05-24-2009, 03:43 AM	#21 (permalink)
flip Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 872	Trying to do a transcription here. This is a clip from the most recent hollywood remake of Body Snatchers, with fake subtitles. Actors are movie stars, but don't know their names: Title is "AGBELL's Body Snatchers". Fadeaway. Handsome man and woman walk on a street at night, several people, both civilians and military persons, are also walking in different directions. Man and woman don't seem to be speaking in the beginning when subtitles are put up, so hard to say who is supposed to do the talk in the beginning. Following is what it looks like to me. Man: Sh*t! More and more Deaf are giving up their souls to AGBELL! Man: I think it's because of Deaf against Deaf. They were fighting about wether Deaf or ASL is better. Man: Watch out! She may be one of those AGBELL's Body Snatchers. They walk for a while. Man: I hope she's ot one of them. She was our Deaf advocator for the Deaf community. Camera swift. We see another handsome woman(woman2) appearing in the opposite direction. They all stop, facing each other. They look at each other for a while. In the backgroun we see military veichiles passing. Woman 2: Did you forget that you are deaf? Man: There is no deaf existence here! Man and woman start to walk, passes woman 2. Woman 2 turns around after man and woman. Woman 2: Will you keep ASL only and throw away the word, "Deaf"? Man: Hello no! I keep BOTH Deaf and ASL! Man and woman continues to walk. Woman 2 stare at them for a while, then point her finger at them and start to scream loudly. Everyone on the street start to chase man and woman. Fade into black. A cite is put up, staying there until the end of movie: "We should try ourselves to forget that they are deaf. We should try to teach them to forget that they are deaf." Alexander Graham Bell, 1884

05-24-2009, 12:41 PM	#27 (permalink)
Hear Again Each day is a gift. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,073 Blog Entries: 6	ASLGAL, It's okay. I know it's easy to post a video and forget to include a description or translation. No worries. __________________ Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE (Implanted: 12/22/04 \| Activated: 1/18/05) Right ear - Nucleus Freedom (Implanted: 2/1/06 \| Activated: 3/1/06) Deafblind/Postlingual

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