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Someone asked me if I were against oralists when I know s/he must have meant oralism because to be against oralists just because they can speak is outrageous! So my response to this modified question is, yes, I am against oralism but not spoken English. Let me share you that the term oralism to me is a stigma. It is associated with “force” for some even “abuse” (i.e. hands whacked with rulers, although physical abuse is prohibited but still, this term brings back these memories that many are scarred with the term oralism.

Oralism is way different than spoken English. Oralism tends to be the only approach and it bans from ASL. Spoken English is not against for one to know both languages since birth. It has no biased meaning – it is just a language. Spoken English doesn’t ban a Deaf child from using ASL nor force those who cannot hear enough to use it. Some people who think the world of oralism are ignorant. Using the word, oralism, still did not change to a positive concept just we would never change the concept of slavery. Now I am not comparing slavery to oralism but in that sense, the idea of slavery is negative just like oralism is for some, if not, many. Would we want to still practice slavery? No! Unfortunately, it is still happening in some parts of the world. Slavery will always be negative just like oralism is but in a different sense of course. There were horror stories associated to oralism that scarred them for life. Although it is history but today the practice, the principle and the philosophy still discriminate against ASL. The Deaf children are suppressed from using ASL. The term should be changed to oracy since it involves the use of switching to both languages where they have the options to use, spoken or signed, where there is more flexibility and compatibility.

(In my video clip, you will see my description on how Flemish Deaf view oralism definition vs. Deaf culture definition.)

That's why I don't accept and approve the concept of oralism because of the attitude. The concept is negative so that is something to think about how should we view oralism.

From my experience, I was able to grow up using spoken English and ASL. Did I ever think that I think of myself as a oralist? No. I am just a spoken English user so it is completely different than being oralist because one doesn't know ASL. I use spoken English, yes. I am ASL user, yes! Oralists don't use ASL. It is just a different view about the way I grow up as I never thought one has to separate those who speak from using ASL. They were placed in an environment using an only-oral-method approach and it was not necessary! ( ASL users still can use spoken English and to not to know ASL growing up because it will hinder language development is still unproven stated by research documents. It has been proven that bilingual approach will benefit the Deaf child to grasp the language, ASL, that is most accessible and natural to them, making the bridge to learn spoken English more effectively if the child desires to do so and benefits the time spent for learning speech).

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Miss-Delectable

Good point.

I'll have to remember to say 'I speak, but am not an Oralist' next time a deaf person assumes I'm one.

May we succeed at eradicating Oralism someday! *wishful*

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Rainshower77

do they still practice oralism? I know they did when I was growing up, my mom decided that I should learn to speak because she didn't want to send me away to a deaf school..She wanted me to be with her. The audiologist told her that since I am only severe HOH, and can use hearing aids.. I would be better off being oralism.

But when I was in jr. high school.. I had an option to go to a public school nearby that specialize deaf , but mom said no to that.

I thought professionals would know better now after they are done experimenting. It amazes me that my son is hearing, but his school is more concerned about his social life than his reading and speaking skills, and want him to socialize with other kids more. But if they still do oralism, I guess they don't care about deaf's social life.

GarnetTigerMom

I grew up learning to talk so that pretty much oralism but I am greatful I can talk so I can commicate since it nothing to be a ashame of learning to talk. I know everybody feel differently how they feel about oralism.

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Rainshower77

all I wanted is the full toolbox. I am glad I can speak too... but I can't always depend on it.

GarnetTigerMom

Yeah true, But i just glad I can denpend it my speaking since I don't have a problem. I had a very good speech teacher so I started out very young.

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GarnetTigerMom

"The rain may be falling hard outside,
But your smile makes it all alright.
I'm so glad that you're my friend.
I know our friendship will never end."
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jillio

Yes, they still practice oralism, and it is seeing a renewed popularity in the hearing parents of deaf children, as well as those professionals within the CI community. A negative history is repeating itself.

RichardDeaf

I have nothing against oralism as long it is not "mandatory" by school - I prefer both oralism and ASL together to maximum the communication skills. I had speech teacher when I was very young until high school. I believe that having oral skill has it own benefits in hearing environment. Again, it should be up to child's parent to make that decision, not school's. Oralism skills served me very well in my social and professional life. I still signs with my other deaf friends but I would admit that my signing is somewhat rusty since I dont use it that often in my adult life.

jillio

Oral skills is not the same as oralism. Oralism, by it's very definition, forbids the use of manual languages, and permits the use of oral languages only. Being taught oral skills is one thing, and I don't think that there is anyone that would disagree that they can be valuable for a deaf person to have. But that is not oralism. Oralism is based on the belief that all deaf people should learn to speak and not be allowed to sign in the effort to make them appear to be more like hearing individuals.

Oceanbreeze

I'm hearing, but like most of you I think a full toolbox approach is more appropriate than just one approach. I'm neither for oralism or against it. I'm trying to find a middle ground if there is one.

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RichardDeaf

Ah ok. Thanks for correcting me. In that case, I am against oralism.

Phillips

Another Good point!!

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jillio

YW!

deafdyke

Yes. I'm orally skilled...........but I am NOT oral deaf. Oral deaf means that the person prefers (when given a choice between oral option and Sign) that they prefer to speak.

shel90

Same here..not oral deaf anymore.

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"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

Oddball

I personally think oral Deaf children should have more options to supplement their skills (ASL, cued speech, etc). I am totally against oral only approach.

Miss-Delectable

Agreed. Only if so many parents aren't so bloody short-sighted or narrow-minded *sighs*

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shel90

Count me in!!!

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"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

jillio

I'm right behind you!

deafskeptic

I am not for oral only. Whole toolbox all the way.

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faire_jour

Oralism is alive and well! Especially since CI's are starting to become common. A very recent illustration happened a few months ago at my daughter's school. Our bi-bi program needs a building. We have been leasing a condemed school building for the last several years but it is going to be torn down this summer. The Utah School for the Deaf did not give the money to our program but a new Auditory Verbal (sign prohibitted) School go the funding. Our school has been around and growing for the last 10 years, this school was created in August. It happened only because it is an Oral only school and ours is an ASL school.

jillio

What a damned shame!

shel90

Jeez!!!

oralism only

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"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child." -George Santayana

Grummer

interesting thread.......

I can see theres a danger of letting oralism continue to exist if we allow oral skills still be taught......
hearing knobheads in control of education and or in position to advise parents are cunning...dont underestimate that

Hard line must be HARDLINE period...

Buffalo

We should keep ASL in schools. Education is easily the most important than the ability to speak. Don't mess with the education!

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jillio

Exactly. Education can overcome an inability to speak. The ability to speak cannot overcome the lack of education.

Cheri

Agreed.

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Miss-Delectable

Quite right! Too bad so many parents are dense.

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Bottesini

The point here being that deaf people must be in control of education for deaf children. Correct?

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~*Kaelei*~

I don't know what you guys would call me. But I'm Oral, I have ever since my parents enrolled me into Tucker Maxon Oral school when I was 16 months old. However I've been using ASL since 8th grade whenever I'm speaking to Deaf people/friends.

I remember ever since as a little child, and my friends from Tucker also remembers this, if we ever use any movement of our hands or gesture with our hands, we get into big trouble like teacher would slap my hands just because I used movement of my hands as I was talking. Once I remember, I told the teacher that I needed to go to the bathroom and as I was saying bathroom, I also used the sign "bathroom"...boy wasn't my teacher pissed. After I went to the bathroom, I was sent to sit in the hallway for ten minutes just because I used the sign Bathroom.

Even my parents didn't want me to learn ASL, because they want me to speak like a normal hearing person. I don't regret that my parents has sent me to Oral School to learn how to speak because I do truly like to speak and I'm able to speak to my hearing fiance. But I just wish that my parents would accept that I'm deaf and that ASL is my culture too. The weirdest thing is that all the people that I met from Tucker that were students there are using ASL too...they have learned ASL after they left Tucker and we would sign to each other, even though we can speak.

Last time I went there was two years ago and I was signing to Heather, a friend of mine who also went to Tucker, we were there visiting a friend of ours who's still attending there, the professors/teachers were pissed that we were signing... never less Heather and I quite enjoyed it that we were signing where it was actually forbidden when were students there!

Here's a saying, "You may prolong something from us but you can never forbid us to learn what we want to learn."

That actually true to me and the students that has attended to Tucker, because eventually at the end, we end up learning/using ASL around each other (deaf people) It's our culture, we feel drawn to it.

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