I am against oralism because.... - Page 4

Bottesini · 07-09-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Me too. I was also really angry when I was young. And I pretty much grew up ok. I hope.

This is to apologize to Jasin. He was very offended and sad that I would characterize him as young and angry.

I am very sorry I hurt your feelings Jasin.

Tousi · 07-09-2008, 01:37 AM

Bottesini, can you read the contents of this URL for me and let me know if it strikes a chord with you? This includes the Three Phony Types near the end; click on each if you will.

A Deaf Mom Shares Her World » Socialization for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Kids

I follow this lady on occasion in other areas of the Internet. Maybe Jasin would also like to read this....I'm not sure if there's any connection, so hopefully, at the very least, it's good reading.

NickCameron1031 · 07-09-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Bottesini, can you read the contents of this URL for me and let me know if it strikes a chord with you? This includes the Three Phony Types near the end; click on each if you will.

A Deaf Mom Shares Her World » Socialization for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Kids

I follow this lady on occasion in other areas of the Internet. Maybe Jasin would also like to read this....I'm not sure if there's any connection, so hopefully, at the very least, it's good reading.

That was me all through school, all through work, heck even still sometimes today. I say yes and nod and god only knows what I have agreed to. I love reading Mark's stuff, he is a great writer.

jillio · 07-09-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Bottesini, can you read the contents of this URL for me and let me know if it strikes a chord with you? This includes the Three Phony Types near the end; click on each if you will.

A Deaf Mom Shares Her World » Socialization for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Kids

I follow this lady on occasion in other areas of the Internet. Maybe Jasin would also like to read this....I'm not sure if there's any connection, so hopefully, at the very least, it's good reading.

God link, Tousi. It addresses the psycho-social issues that we have discussed so often, especially in regard to the mainstream educational environment.

jillio · 07-09-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NickCameron1031

That was me all through school, all through work, heck even still sometimes today. I say yes and nod and god only knows what I have agreed to. I love reading Mark's stuff, he is a great writer.

Oh,yeah! The "yes means no syndrome."

PowerON · 07-09-2008, 09:55 AM

It must from the Nazi doctor who suggest the parents to force their child to doing oral.

However, I do know few deaf who grow as oral until they find interest about ASL in late age. I think it's great to make change.

AlleyCat · 07-09-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NickCameron1031

That was me all through school, all through work, heck even still sometimes today. I say yes and nod and god only knows what I have agreed to. I love reading Mark's stuff, he is a great writer.

Been there, done that. Even as an adult! While I have great lipreading skills and hear some with my HAs, every once in a blue moon I encounter someone I simply cannot lipread for whatever reason, and after asking that person to already repeat 2-3 times, I just end up nodding my head and smile. God only knows what I just nodded and smiled at. He/she could've said that I smelled funny for all I know.

Cheri · 07-09-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AlleyCat

Been there, done that. Even as an adult! While I have great lipreading skills and hear some with my HAs, every once in a blue moon I encounter someone I simply cannot lipread for whatever reason, and after asking that person to already repeat 2-3 times, I just end up nodding my head and smile. God only knows what I just nodded and smiled at. He/she could've said that I smelled funny for all I know.

It had happened to me too, one of my hearing friend laughed when I just nodded and smiled, the person who was talking to me was talking in a fast speed and had asked me if I wanna have a drink with him, I nodded and smiled and he said when? I kept nodding and smiling and my friend ended up laughing, she knew I didn't understand him.

Bottesini · 07-09-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tousi

Bottesini, can you read the contents of this URL for me and let me know if it strikes a chord with you? This includes the Three Phony Types near the end; click on each if you will.

A Deaf Mom Shares Her World » Socialization for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Kids

I follow this lady on occasion in other areas of the Internet. Maybe Jasin would also like to read this....I'm not sure if there's any connection, so hopefully, at the very least, it's good reading.

After two readings, I would say that it probably pretty accurately describes me.

NickCameron1031 · 07-09-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Oh,yeah! The "yes means no syndrome."

Or yes means whatever LOL I know I have gotten into some messes a few times. I know I agreed once to help a friend of a friend move because I just kept saying yeah to whatever he asked me and I have gotten pretty intoxicated by saying yes every time the bartender asks me a question lol

web730 · 07-09-2008, 11:03 PM

I recalled back in 1969 or 1970 at ISD that I was new at the deaf school. Knew no sign and spoken word at all when I first enrolled in the preschool.

There was a teacher who forced us wearing big hearing aids and demanded us not to sign at all but hear her speaking while showing us the chalkboard on something else. I couldn't understand a word by her and sign language by kids outside classes even.

Anyway, there was a-b-c fingerspelling posters on the wall above the chalkboards so I looked and practicing fingerspelling. That teacher caught me and slapped a pointer stick on my desk. I looked at her and was confused as why she did that at that time. Now I really laughed at that and realized how stupid it must be for them teaching deaf kids like that. That was an oralism method they used, but was dropped briefly after that - maybe 1 or 2 years after that.

So it gave me an idea how oralism was like although we didn't use it anymore from maybe '72 and beyond. It was great that they stopped that. I couldn't imagine as if they chose to stay oralism instead... no way!

Oralism doesn't help us at all since if no one understand sign language first so it's a very god reason why DBC is fighting against oralism and such the one that AGB stresses.

jasin · 07-10-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by web730

I recalled back in 1969 or 1970 at ISD that I was new at the deaf school. Knew no sign and spoken word at all when I first enrolled in the preschool.

There was a teacher who forced us wearing big hearing aids and demanded us not to sign at all but hear her speaking while showing us the chalkboard on something else. I couldn't understand a word by her and sign language by kids outside classes even.

Anyway, there was a-b-c fingerspelling posters on the wall above the chalkboards so I looked and practicing fingerspelling. That teacher caught me and slapped a pointer stick on my desk. I looked at her and was confused as why she did that at that time. Now I really laughed at that and realized how stupid it must be for them teaching deaf kids like that. That was an oralism method they used, but was dropped briefly after that - maybe 1 or 2 years after that.

So it gave me an idea how oralism was like although we didn't use it anymore from maybe '72 and beyond. It was great that they stopped that. I couldn't imagine as if they chose to stay oralism instead... no way!

Oralism doesn't help us at all since if no one understand sign language first so it's a very god reason why DBC is fighting against oralism and such the one that AGB stresses.

yep, and only a deaf person could understand this as we are the one's that expierence the frustrations of oralsim only.

jillio · 07-10-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jasin

yep, and only a deaf person could understand this as we are the one's that expierence the frustrations of oralsim only.

Then how exactly do you account for the number of hearing persons who are opposed to oralism, advocate for a move toward a bi-bi educational environment and are members of organizations that actively campaign against oralism? I think we can include Edward Minor Gallaudet in that number when he was alive. We can still include such notables as Harlan Lane, Mark Marschark, and Oliver Saks. As well as several members of this forum.

jasin · 07-13-2008, 01:27 AM

Anyone who thinks they can fully understand or live the expierences us deaf people have by just simply being against what some of us are against is fooling themselves.

jillio · 07-13-2008, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jasin

Anyone who thinks they can fully understand or live the expierences us deaf people have by just simply being against what some of us are against is fooling themselves.

And who exactly, has made that statement? Again, you are making incorrect assumptions based on your own errors in perception.

Would you care to answer the question posed?

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07-09-2008, 01:37 AM	#92 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 8,249	Bottesini, can you read the contents of this URL for me and let me know if it strikes a chord with you? This includes the Three Phony Types near the end; click on each if you will. A Deaf Mom Shares Her World » Socialization for Deaf and Hard of Hearing Kids I follow this lady on occasion in other areas of the Internet. Maybe Jasin would also like to read this....I'm not sure if there's any connection, so hopefully, at the very least, it's good reading.

07-09-2008, 11:03 PM	#101 (permalink)
web730 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,829	I recalled back in 1969 or 1970 at ISD that I was new at the deaf school. Knew no sign and spoken word at all when I first enrolled in the preschool. There was a teacher who forced us wearing big hearing aids and demanded us not to sign at all but hear her speaking while showing us the chalkboard on something else. I couldn't understand a word by her and sign language by kids outside classes even. Anyway, there was a-b-c fingerspelling posters on the wall above the chalkboards so I looked and practicing fingerspelling. That teacher caught me and slapped a pointer stick on my desk. I looked at her and was confused as why she did that at that time. Now I really laughed at that and realized how stupid it must be for them teaching deaf kids like that. That was an oralism method they used, but was dropped briefly after that - maybe 1 or 2 years after that. So it gave me an idea how oralism was like although we didn't use it anymore from maybe '72 and beyond. It was great that they stopped that. I couldn't imagine as if they chose to stay oralism instead... no way! Oralism doesn't help us at all since if no one understand sign language first so it's a very god reason why DBC is fighting against oralism and such the one that AGB stresses.

07-13-2008, 01:27 AM	#104 (permalink)
jasin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Puyallup, Washington Posts: 779	Anyone who thinks they can fully understand or live the expierences us deaf people have by just simply being against what some of us are against is fooling themselves.