CI operation - Page 2

**TweetyBird** · 02-03-2004, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Doctors in this case play God, well they are not God and just because they go to medical school does not mean they know everything or know what is best. They will tell you not to teach your child sign language because it is a crutch, well they are wrong..Teaching your child sign lang. will help them to communicate better without getting frustrated that they cannot speak or get their point across. These parents not only need to look up info on the Internet which will be almost all positive info but they need to speak with deaf people as well as learn deaf culture, what the deaf people have been through to get where they are today...If you are deaf you can go to school you can get a job you can achieve anything a hearing person can. Being deaf is not an embarrassment, and does not mean that you are not normal. It means you cherish life and instead of hearing with your ears you hear visually. and if they feel that CI is best for them when they grow up They have the right to make that Choice. I have nothing against CI I have something Against Parents who made their child/children the different way getting them CI when they don't know if that is what the child wants or not.

U got GOOOOOD put in post!!!!!!

DeafSCUBA98 · 02-03-2004, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Banjo

Personally, I believe these situations where kids turn against their parents for implanting them are usually caused by who?

Deaf Militants.

They come and talk to these kids and teach them all sort of misinformation about cochlear implants and how it is bad for them.

It is possible that it is a fact because I have seen it with my own eyes. Cochlear implantees at my school were told nasty things by the Deaf people who opposed cochlear implants.

Pity that I had to witness these twisted events take place at my high school.

i have to agree with banjo here...

I believe that many deafies who're against CI make up stories why they're bad...

**Angel** · 02-03-2004, 10:23 PM

*Getting on the Cloud*

I have clearly voiced my opinion previously that I am not against anyone getting CI...and that it is a child's choice to have it or not along with the parents' support and guidance for the best interests and welfare for their child, yet...it IS the child that will have to live with whatever choice they do make...I do realize that children that are really too young to be able to make any kind of choices...it is best to wait until they are older to be able to comprehend what will happen or take place when they make a certain choice such as having a CI done...then again, there are parents that will make that choice for the child when the child is very young after going around getting information from doctors, internet sites, health books and magazines, health-related tv shows, etc...BUT, by listening to other Deaf individuals who have gotten CI's with their own experiences and feedback, etc...would ALSO help determine the outcome of whatever choice they do may make which can attribute significantly for the sake of knowing what is best and most helpful for a child trying to decide whether to have a CI or not...

For is it the 'parent' that will be wearing it...is it the doctors that will be wearing it...etc...and simply that answer is an astounding 'NO'....only the child or individual that does....

And speaking of Deaf Militants...DO NOT count me as one...even at my deaf school where I had attended did not teach me that CI's were bad...either did any of my deaf friends, they only told me what they have been through, some like it and some didn't, it's a two-sided issue...it's the child or individual that can make whatever assumptions and what research probed will decide what is best...

It's NOT the parents, doctors or other deaf individuals that is against CI to make the choice for the child...Its the CHILD ALONE that will make that choice!

*Getting off the Cloud*

ideafspy · 02-03-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

I think the Child should reach the age of 18 to decide if that what she/he wants...

I want you know that about the age does matter whenever the parents decide such as talk about it instead force. Most the health care don't approve or paid the cochlear implant who age 18 year old. Today I am 23 years old and I can't get cochlear implant because my ages. They will paid if I am 18 years old or younger. Some health insurance can paid 13 years old or younger.. some 5 years old or younger. It just stupid policy. Some parents are prefer hearing aids instead the cochlear implant but health care don't cover for hearing aids. It just thing that parents and child have becareful where they decide before the child get older and not approve due the health care policy.

DeafSCUBA98 · 02-03-2004, 11:24 PM

the eariler you put implant on the kid the eariler they will success... i have notice that most CI users were implanted young ages success later in their teen ages...

and most CI users who were implanted above 18 yrs old.. are having hard time.. cuz their post-graduation plans are busy.. college life... work life.. and have no time for speech therpy, auditury therpy, etc... but they are possible success only if they try their best and only focus on their CI..

Also,, my question.. suppose your child is born with Blindness, Mental Retarded.. would you consider to have them implanted as soon as possible? or will u wait till they turn 18? I am sure you'll chose to have them implanted an eye.. implant a brain to make them success their life..

It's same as those hearing people who is thinking of their deaf children... so i understand their feeling.. and i support that idea. cuz the earlier the more success the child will have in their speech, hearing etc... I noticed that alot of parents who choose to have their children implanted.. also they choose them to learn ASL.. because both CI and ASL have higher benifits...

Opal · 02-04-2004, 12:58 AM

DeafScuba98, very well said!!

Opal · 02-04-2004, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina

The parents are not accepting for their Deaf children for who they are. It looks like when you have a baby boy cutting his penis off. You want your baby boy turns to girl. The Deaf babies born on this planet as they did not ask for bonic baby !

I prefer, the adult turns 18 to make their own decision.

There are no sex changed operation on babies available!! Doctor won't study in this field.

Opal · 02-04-2004, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina

DEAF is not a disease. Little ears are healthy and cute. Little head with softly blonde hair is natural when they born. Why would you take your baby into the surgery room, as the baby born is healthy? They did not ask for bionic baby! Sign Language is natural of their language. Why would we see baby wear huge band-aid because you do not accept your son or daughter who is Deaf?

If your mom or dad saw that you have a brown eyes because your color eyes are not like them. They want the blue eyes; take your eyeballs out to replacement blue one. How would you feel that? Mom and Dad are not acceptable for the Deaf babies. They are not disease.

Again, there are no operation available for change color eyes on babies, its far out off topic!

What would you say if Dr told you there is possible operation for blind baby to see! I would accept it full stop.

02-04-2004, 02:33 AM

I have been profoundly d/Deaf since birth, I speak very well, I read many college level books and novels, and I didn't need a CI to get thru life. From the arguments I am reading on Cochlear Implant threads and from arguments from Pro-CI people, I am deeply offended that the implications are I am not good enough of a person and a ****tard for not having a CI.! I even had a friend come up to me a month ago with the nerve to tell me if I do not agree with him on issues with cochlear implants, I am no longer his friend. That was so ****ed up!

Despite the differences between everyone, if you let CIs get in the way of respect and friendship towards other people, you need to get your head examined!!!

02-04-2004, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by RedRum

There are no sex changed operation on babies available!! Doctor won't study in this field.

Get your facts straight. There have been documented operations to restore babies' sex organs.

Opal · 02-04-2004, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf258

Get your facts straight. There have been documented operations to restore babies' sex organs.

Fortunately, there are very very rare babies born with TWO sexes, and Doctor will operation to make these babies to have one, to lead a normal life.

Doctor won't operation from single sex baby to please parents' choice!!

02-04-2004, 02:59 AM

There was a doctor who accidentally snipped off a boy's penis while trying to get him circumcised. So the doctor consulted with the parents and ended up giving the boy a sex operation. They gave him a vagina with hormone treatments. It has happened and it wasn't the first or last time!

End of story: babies get sex changes, too!

Opal · 02-04-2004, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Deaf258

There was a doctor who accidentally snipped off a boy's penis while trying to get him circumcised. So the doctor consulted with the parents and ended up giving the boy a sex operation. They gave him a vagina with hormone treatments. It has happened and it wasn't the first or last time!

End of story: babies get sex changes, too!

Oh really, that's new to me, I feel sorry for this family.

**Kalista** · 02-04-2004, 06:39 AM

There are so much oppressed upon Deaf people.

They couldnt drive, they couldnt get married, they couldnt have a decent job, they couldnt do a lot of things just because they are Deaf. Nonsense! We are human just like you. We are just seeing people.

Flowers," butterflies, rising sun, mountains and many other nature that does not make sound. Hearing people believe that we lack of something.

They decide to implant aiding device in head so they can hear something. Leave us alone. Please just let us use ASL in school. It is our native language. Please learn our language if you have a deaf child.

Do not force us to hear something that we will never be able to hear just like you do.

Do not force us to talk. Using our hands is the best way to communicate.

***VamPyroX*** · 02-04-2004, 08:27 AM

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**Liebling:-)))** · 02-04-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fly Free

i disagree -- ive seen some parents make such BAD decisions on what to do with their child thinking its the "best" decision they have made

its just flatly STUPID!!! i know a few ppl who have had CI done when they were still babies/toddlers and now their relationship with their parents are

they dont have any respect for their folks, theyre angry at them for having them implanted while they were so young and they dont even wear their CIs anymore once they turned 18 -- so its $25k buckaroos down the drain -- all wasted for nothing really -- i would just wait and let the child make his/her informed decision after their own research and even asking other kids their age who already have CI and ask questions on their experiences and etc etc -- then if the kid is all for it then by all means i dont see anything wrong with having CI implanted as long as the child is INVOLVED in this big decision making process that CAN have a big impact on their lives!

I'm total agree with you & also Cheri, too.....

The parents decide all the time what they do the "best" for their children is a selfish. It look like they think they know better but never think how their children's feelings.
Yes, we as parents do made the mistakes sometimes. Nobody can't be prefect.
The children's opinions are right sometimes. I did admitted to my sons for my mistakes. They do the same to us, too. They lost their respect on you if you don't accept/support their wishes/decision/feeling etc

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-04-2004, 01:27 PM

For your information:
I'm very sad when I read the the Deaf news yesterday.
Now I'm going to ask you the question:
Did you know that over 100 of people died due to meningitis after CI operation? Well, there're also 3 small children died in Germany, too.
Would you accept the risk to implant your babies to small children like this?
Every doctors could be mistakes sometimes.
I feel that the parents who agree to implant the babies to small children are being brainwash by those doctors, scientist, media etc. The doctors only think their own interests to being well-known in the world, also of course, MONEY. They had been tried again with 2nd CI to improve old one (1st CI around 1970 to 1980) BUT what if they will try again with 3rd CI to improve more than 2nd one next time? Oh No! (Excuse me for open like this).

Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against CI but I strongly believe that the children & adults are the ONE who decide what they want. I would of agree to implant my child if he/she want it but I wouldn't do it tomorrow.
It take few years time to support my child's decision is take him/her to meet hearing, deaf & CI world until he/she learn what good or bad advantages etc. The children has the right to share their opinions with hearing, deaf or CI people which it's good for them to collect their own experience. I would support my children's choice/wish INSTEAD of wait until they are 18 years old.

Please don't insult CI people for liar etc BECAUSE they know through their OWN experience & their OWN feeling, not us. I received a lot of sad stories from CI people, too.

> How they had been forced to implant by their parents etc
> How the parents didn't accept their children's rejection for CI etc
> How they broke their contact with their parents for that etc.

They (CI) people have no reason to tell the lies how unhappy they are with CI etc.
Don't even say that the deaf is one who made a bad influence on people's decision over that CI because it's no true. Of course, there're many CI discussion here, too. Most of parents here regretted what they did their children. What a sad because they were being influence by doctors, etc, that how their children lost their respect for their parents!

I also received the reason why the children or adults decided to received the CI. I respect their decision because they are old enough to know what right etc.

One of mainly interesting stories:
A good friend of mine lost HOH to deaf few years ago but she rejected Doctor's recommend for CI operation for the reason:
At first we suggested her to do CI to hear again. She went to Doctor for the advice. She had the strange feeling when the doctor introduced her to 55 years old lady who just had CI operation. She listen a old lady's view over CI why she want etc after lost HOH to deaf. It put her off when a old lady told her that she is agreed to receive a CI with the recommend from doctor. She had the feeling that the doctor didn´t tell her the truth but only think his own interest & money. Her last word to him: "|Its understandable when the young children received the CI but old lady?"... The doctor didnt respond her question but just say: "it makes her happy to hear again". She went to Specialist for CI. They give her the honest answer what good or bad advantages etc. They support her decision for 6 months until she decided to not have an CI operation. Her parents also supported her decision, too. She have a wonderful relationship with her parents & siblings because she feel being love & respect by them. She is happy to live with hearing aid.
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I get well with CI people because they accept what I am as same as I accept what they are, too. It's no problem.
>
That's all what I have in my opinion. I like to hear your opinion of disagree or agree etc. That´s okay because I like to collect your opinions too.

>
To me, I'm proud to being deaf. I won't let anyone to make negatives over Deaf....

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-04-2004, 03:15 PM

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s wish.

I was told at few days ago that the Germans are going to fighting to ban for implant the babies to small children. I will vote for that. I pray that it´ll be successful....

**Angel** · 02-04-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s will

Absolutely Correct!...

A baby or small child is unable to say ' NO ' for CI since they're not old enough to understand what their parents wants for them.....Like I said It's would be best if the child is old enough to make that choice when they do .. they are able to give their parents an answer of having a CI!...Sadly, they are uable to get a choice in this for themselves when they are just too little to understand...

Insend of the parents thinking ' Oh it would be best for my child because he/she can hear more , be able to talk , improving their speech, and having the best education etc.....Why not take a moment and think hard about this....Will it make the child happy later? Will the child approve this?...Will the child wear them when they grow up? so many questions and not knowing what the answer will be when the child grow up!....

Roadrunner · 02-05-2004, 01:22 AM

*ahems*...*checking the circle next to 'NO'*...I voted no because simply it's too early of an age for a child to be implanted with a Cochlear Implant even if the arguements might justify for the fact that the younger they are, that they may benefit at an early age by learning speech, adjusting to sounds, etc. better...YET, the real choice of the matter is simply that when a child is older such as 7 and up...WILL be able to better comprehend the ramifications of choosing CI or not...for it is THAT child whom will have to live with this surgery/procedure...

There are soooo many issues coming from both sides in references to CI...many of what we believe, know or what facts we have gathered...generally, it can be so easy to go to great lengths comparing this to that when we ALL can benefit from much information through many sources available such as the 'media'(internet sites, t.v. shows, magazines and books, etc.), friends, from people who have had CI's implanted, the medical field, etc. which we can be civilized and act accordingly for whatever anyone voices an opinion on the matter at hand by utilizing 'respect' and giving into considerations for however anyone may feel or expresses opinionated thoughts...creates a much more level of competence and harmony however any such ideas or thoughts that may not be in harmony with my(your) own reflections of what or how I(you) feel about this issue regarding CI's...in other words...I much rather uphold 'peacefulness' with others that might find my own opinion and take an arguementive stance on the issue...thus being 'neutral' when-ever it is neccessary to be so, because it IS the 'choice' of a child to make with the guidance and support of parent(s)....with all the useful information, ideas, etc. that they can obtain.

**Kalista** · 02-05-2004, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s wish.

I was told at few days ago that the Germans are going to fighting to ban for implant the babies to small children. I will vote for that. I pray that it´ll be successful....

Hope Germany's vote will pass !! Please keep us a posted !! I pray that America at FDA will change a new law too. We did speak up and protest in 1990 with FDA but they ignored our concern. They want to make million dollars to do cochlear implants on the children. Of course, I do respect for adult's decision but not the children even 18 old old. Oh please !

with the Government !

Opal · 02-05-2004, 06:45 AM

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

02-05-2004, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RedRum

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

Didn't the SAME kind of case happened in USA in mid-2003??

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2004, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RedRum

I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!!

In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them.
I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all.

What! I can't image because it belongs to children protection law.
I need a clear answer:
Question:
How old is the boy?
Did he want to have CI against his parent's decision?

Like what I said: Accord the children protection law the children has the right to say NO or YES against their parent's decision.

I would support my children from 7 years old with their decision/wish/choice

**Liebling:-)))** · 02-05-2004, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sabrina

Hope Germany's vote will pass !! Please keep us a posted !! I pray that America at FDA will change a new law too. We did speak up and protest in 1990 with FDA but they ignored our concern. They want to make million dollars to do cochlear implants on the children. Of course, I do respect for adult's decision but not the children even 18 old old. Oh please !

with the Government !

I will going to thread the forum as soon as I get an information here.

**Cheri** · 02-05-2004, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Liebling:-)))

I would support my children from 7 years old with their decision/wish/choice

I would too. My children Happiness is very important to me.

deafdyke · 02-05-2004, 02:25 PM

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Personally, I believe these situations where kids turn against their parents for implanting them are usually caused by who?
Deaf Militants.

Banjo, I remember you said once that you were anti-CI b/c some of your friends had them (after hearing aids) and they liked hearing aids better.
Some of those situtons might be caused by Deaf militants but NOT ALL! Who knows? Maybe those implantees are angry b/c they were forced by parents to try to assilmulate in the hearing world.
Fly Free I totally agree with you too!!! There's nothing wrong with implanting kids who get little to no benifit from aids (kids with deep profound loss, kids with auditory nereopathy) ...However, I am concerned about the implant all deaf kids mentailty that is out there! There are kids who are getting implanted who get A TON of benifit from traditional hearing aids. (can hear over half of what's said) I think in the case of good hearing aid usage, the parents REALLY need to WAIT until the kid's old enough to decide on their OWN about implantation.

**Banjo** · 02-05-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by deafdyke

Banjo, I remember you said once that you were anti-CI b/c some of your friends had them (after hearing aids) and they liked hearing aids better.

You see, that's what I was told by them. Till before I graduated, I asked them to be honest.

They admitted that they like cochlear implants better. I asked them why they didn't say that before.

They said that they don't like the attitudes they get from many Deaf folks. That was what gave me a whole new perceptive on the technology. Honestly, I wouldn't blame them for being afraid to admit it, after all I have seen so much hostility toward them at the school.

Sad, I know.

Fly Free · 02-05-2004, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri

Doctors in this case play God, well they are not God and just because they go to medical school does not mean they know everything or know what is best. They will tell you not to teach your child sign language because it is a crutch, well they are wrong..Teaching your child sign lang. will help them to communicate better without getting frustrated that they cannot speak or get their point across. These parents not only need to look up info on the Internet which will be almost all positive info but they need to speak with deaf people as well as learn deaf culture, what the deaf people have been through to get where they are today...If you are deaf you can go to school you can get a job you can achieve anything a hearing person can. Being deaf is not an embarrassment, and does not mean that you are not normal. It means you cherish life and instead of hearing with your ears you hear visually. and if they feel that CI is best for them when they grow up They have the right to make that Choice. I have nothing against CI I have something Against Parents who made their child/children the different way getting them CI when they don't know if that is what the child wants or not.

exactly my thoughts Cheri!!!!

well said!

Fly Free · 02-05-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Deaf258

I have been profoundly d/Deaf since birth, I speak very well, I read many college level books and novels, and I didn't need a CI to get thru life. From the arguments I am reading on Cochlear Implant threads and from arguments from Pro-CI people, I am deeply offended that the implications are I am not good enough of a person and a ****tard for not having a CI.! I even had a friend come up to me a month ago with the nerve to tell me if I do not agree with him on issues with cochlear implants, I am no longer his friend. That was so ****ed up!

Despite the differences between everyone, if you let CIs get in the way of respect and friendship towards other people, you need to get your head examined!!!

Deaf258 -- u have made a valid point!!!!

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02-03-2004, 10:23 PM	#33 (permalink)
Angel ♥"Concrete Angel"♥ Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 19,089	Getting on the Cloud I have clearly voiced my opinion previously that I am not against anyone getting CI...and that it is a child's choice to have it or not along with the parents' support and guidance for the best interests and welfare for their child, yet...it IS the child that will have to live with whatever choice they do make...I do realize that children that are really too young to be able to make any kind of choices...it is best to wait until they are older to be able to comprehend what will happen or take place when they make a certain choice such as having a CI done...then again, there are parents that will make that choice for the child when the child is very young after going around getting information from doctors, internet sites, health books and magazines, health-related tv shows, etc...BUT, by listening to other Deaf individuals who have gotten CI's with their own experiences and feedback, etc...would ALSO help determine the outcome of whatever choice they do may make which can attribute significantly for the sake of knowing what is best and most helpful for a child trying to decide whether to have a CI or not... For is it the 'parent' that will be wearing it...is it the doctors that will be wearing it...etc...and simply that answer is an astounding 'NO'....only the child or individual that does.... And speaking of Deaf Militants...DO NOT count me as one...even at my deaf school where I had attended did not teach me that CI's were bad...either did any of my deaf friends, they only told me what they have been through, some like it and some didn't, it's a two-sided issue...it's the child or individual that can make whatever assumptions and what research probed will decide what is best... It's NOT the parents, doctors or other deaf individuals that is against CI to make the choice for the child...Its the CHILD ALONE that will make that choice! Getting off the Cloud __________________ "When we do the best we can, we never know what miracle is brought in our life, OR in the life of another." ~ Helen Keller

02-03-2004, 11:24 PM	#35 (permalink)
DeafSCUBA98 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: land of 10,000 lakes and living by one of them Posts: 4,645	the eariler you put implant on the kid the eariler they will success... i have notice that most CI users were implanted young ages success later in their teen ages... and most CI users who were implanted above 18 yrs old.. are having hard time.. cuz their post-graduation plans are busy.. college life... work life.. and have no time for speech therpy, auditury therpy, etc... but they are possible success only if they try their best and only focus on their CI.. Also,, my question.. suppose your child is born with Blindness, Mental Retarded.. would you consider to have them implanted as soon as possible? or will u wait till they turn 18? I am sure you'll chose to have them implanted an eye.. implant a brain to make them success their life.. It's same as those hearing people who is thinking of their deaf children... so i understand their feeling.. and i support that idea. cuz the earlier the more success the child will have in their speech, hearing etc... I noticed that alot of parents who choose to have their children implanted.. also they choose them to learn ASL.. because both CI and ASL have higher benifits... __________________ Nucleus Freedom 04/18/05 activiated 05/16/05

02-04-2004, 12:58 AM	#36 (permalink)
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02-04-2004, 02:33 AM	#39 (permalink)
Deaf258 Guest Posts: n/a	I have been profoundly d/Deaf since birth, I speak very well, I read many college level books and novels, and I didn't need a CI to get thru life. From the arguments I am reading on Cochlear Implant threads and from arguments from Pro-CI people, I am deeply offended that the implications are I am not good enough of a person and a **tard for not having a CI.! I even had a friend come up to me a month ago with the nerve to tell me if I do not agree with him on issues with cochlear implants, I am no longer his friend. That was so ed up! Despite the differences between everyone, if you let CIs get in the way of respect and friendship towards other people, you need to get your head examined**!!!

02-04-2004, 02:59 AM	#42 (permalink)
Deaf258 Guest Posts: n/a	There was a doctor who accidentally snipped off a boy's penis while trying to get him circumcised. So the doctor consulted with the parents and ended up giving the boy a sex operation. They gave him a vagina with hormone treatments. It has happened and it wasn't the first or last time! End of story: babies get sex changes, too!

02-04-2004, 06:39 AM	#44 (permalink)
Kalista Premium Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 8,112	There are so much oppressed upon Deaf people. They couldnt drive, they couldnt get married, they couldnt have a decent job, they couldnt do a lot of things just because they are Deaf. Nonsense! We are human just like you. We are just seeing people. Flowers," butterflies, rising sun, mountains and many other nature that does not make sound. Hearing people believe that we lack of something. They decide to implant aiding device in head so they can hear something. Leave us alone. Please just let us use ASL in school. It is our native language. Please learn our language if you have a deaf child. Do not force us to hear something that we will never be able to hear just like you do. Do not force us to talk. Using our hands is the best way to communicate.

02-04-2004, 01:27 PM	#47 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	For your information: I'm very sad when I read the the Deaf news yesterday. Now I'm going to ask you the question: Did you know that over 100 of people died due to meningitis after CI operation? Well, there're also 3 small children died in Germany, too. Would you accept the risk to implant your babies to small children like this? Every doctors could be mistakes sometimes. I feel that the parents who agree to implant the babies to small children are being brainwash by those doctors, scientist, media etc. The doctors only think their own interests to being well-known in the world, also of course, MONEY. They had been tried again with 2nd CI to improve old one (1st CI around 1970 to 1980) BUT what if they will try again with 3rd CI to improve more than 2nd one next time? Oh No! (Excuse me for open like this). Please don't get me wrong. I'm not against CI but I strongly believe that the children & adults are the ONE who decide what they want. I would of agree to implant my child if he/she want it but I wouldn't do it tomorrow. It take few years time to support my child's decision is take him/her to meet hearing, deaf & CI world until he/she learn what good or bad advantages etc. The children has the right to share their opinions with hearing, deaf or CI people which it's good for them to collect their own experience. I would support my children's choice/wish INSTEAD of wait until they are 18 years old. Please don't insult CI people for liar etc BECAUSE they know through their OWN experience & their OWN feeling, not us. I received a lot of sad stories from CI people, too. > How they had been forced to implant by their parents etc > How the parents didn't accept their children's rejection for CI etc > How they broke their contact with their parents for that etc. They (CI) people have no reason to tell the lies how unhappy they are with CI etc. Don't even say that the deaf is one who made a bad influence on people's decision over that CI because it's no true. Of course, there're many CI discussion here, too. Most of parents here regretted what they did their children. What a sad because they were being influence by doctors, etc, that how their children lost their respect for their parents! I also received the reason why the children or adults decided to received the CI. I respect their decision because they are old enough to know what right etc. One of mainly interesting stories: A good friend of mine lost HOH to deaf few years ago but she rejected Doctor's recommend for CI operation for the reason: At first we suggested her to do CI to hear again. She went to Doctor for the advice. She had the strange feeling when the doctor introduced her to 55 years old lady who just had CI operation. She listen a old lady's view over CI why she want etc after lost HOH to deaf. It put her off when a old lady told her that she is agreed to receive a CI with the recommend from doctor. She had the feeling that the doctor didn´t tell her the truth but only think his own interest & money. Her last word to him: "\|Its understandable when the young children received the CI but old lady?"... The doctor didnt respond her question but just say: "it makes her happy to hear again". She went to Specialist for CI. They give her the honest answer what good or bad advantages etc. They support her decision for 6 months until she decided to not have an CI operation. Her parents also supported her decision, too. She have a wonderful relationship with her parents & siblings because she feel being love & respect by them. She is happy to live with hearing aid. > I get well with CI people because they accept what I am as same as I accept what they are, too. It's no problem. > That's all what I have in my opinion. I like to hear your opinion of disagree or agree etc. That´s okay because I like to collect your opinions too. > To me, I'm proud to being deaf. I won't let anyone to make negatives over Deaf.... __________________

02-04-2004, 03:15 PM	#48 (permalink)
Liebling:-))) Sussi 7.7.86 - 18.6.09 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 31,038	P.S. The children has the right to say NO & can go to Youth Social Worker because of those children protection law. They are on the children´s side to against their parents´s decision. Super!!! As you see that alot of CI people had been suffered by their parent´s decision because they can´t accept their children´s wish. I was told at few days ago that the Germans are going to fighting to ban for implant the babies to small children. I will vote for that. I pray that it´ll be successful.... __________________

02-05-2004, 01:22 AM	#50 (permalink)
Roadrunner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NY Posts: 7,089	ahems...checking the circle next to 'NO'...I voted no because simply it's too early of an age for a child to be implanted with a Cochlear Implant even if the arguements might justify for the fact that the younger they are, that they may benefit at an early age by learning speech, adjusting to sounds, etc. better...YET, the real choice of the matter is simply that when a child is older such as 7 and up...WILL be able to better comprehend the ramifications of choosing CI or not...for it is THAT child whom will have to live with this surgery/procedure... There are soooo many issues coming from both sides in references to CI...many of what we believe, know or what facts we have gathered...generally, it can be so easy to go to great lengths comparing this to that when we ALL can benefit from much information through many sources available such as the 'media'(internet sites, t.v. shows, magazines and books, etc.), friends, from people who have had CI's implanted, the medical field, etc. which we can be civilized and act accordingly for whatever anyone voices an opinion on the matter at hand by utilizing 'respect' and giving into considerations for however anyone may feel or expresses opinionated thoughts...creates a much more level of competence and harmony however any such ideas or thoughts that may not be in harmony with my(your) own reflections of what or how I(you) feel about this issue regarding CI's...in other words...I much rather uphold 'peacefulness' with others that might find my own opinion and take an arguementive stance on the issue...thus being 'neutral' when-ever it is neccessary to be so, because it IS the 'choice' of a child to make with the guidance and support of parent(s)....with all the useful information, ideas, etc. that they can obtain. __________________ "Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much." - Erastus Wiman

02-05-2004, 06:45 AM	#52 (permalink)
Opal Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,763 Blog Entries: 1	I am quite certain that I read somewhere - probably from the British Deaf magazines but not 100% that I read an article about deaf parents lose their custody right over their deaf son to the Department of Social Security for temporary, and they want to consider CI operation on this deaf son because he is belongs to the DSS, not parent's, and the parents are taking them to court to stop seeing it happen to their son!! In this case, I feel sorry for this parents, because its double blow for them. I am trying to find where I heard this news from, to show to you all. __________________ (\ (\ (=' x') (,('')('')

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