It must get tiring! - Page 11

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I had wanted to compliment her style of writing earlier in the thread, but didn't have a chance. When I came back to it I saw the other comments, and I included it in my post rather than breaking it up.

Either way, I don't think we should be bringing that up unless she does.

Then dont bring it up but you cant tell others what to do. If the person they are referring to doesnt like it, then let HER tell them.

This is what happens when others try to control what others say or do. The outcome is usually not good. Other ADers have done it and all it does it make things worse.

Just a word of advice...never tell others what to say or what not to say unless it is about yourself.

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

Just FYI, I don't need to check with anyone about whether or not it's okay to educate others in my sons needs. Insert obnoxious sunglasses smily here --->

Then, why didnt you say "educate others about my son". Why did you say "educate about those who are d/Deaf"?

When you said that, knowing you meant your son, only...that's fine but the problem is...none of us can read your mind. We read what is written and you didnt write that you were talking about your son only. Now, can you take some of that responsibility for what you write instead of blaming it all on some of us?

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

I presume you are directing this at me. I've not once in my life viewed someone who was d/Deaf or "disabled" in any way as less than. Or incapable.

In fact I know otherwise. It has always been my goal to empower people. To encourage them to embrace that which makes them unique and to celebrate it.

In terms if the bolded statement above, I've never been on "that side of the stick", but I can tell you it sure isn't fun being shot down at every corner. Being labeled something that rocks me to my core.

I've never had any interest in putting people down. It doesn't make me feel
good to hurt people, and being an empathetic person I often can feel others
pain. So I wouldn't want to be on either end of "that stick".

I don't like the fact that there are ignorant, mean, vicious people out there. I can't do anything about that.

What I can do is make sure I live my life with an open mind, open heart, and open arms. In the mean time, help educate as many people as I can to give them better understanding and respect for those that are d/Deaf.

Not just you but to many many others who have done that.

You have a choice of not being at the end of the stick. For many of us, due to oppression, we are contanstly put on that end of the stick. When people make inacurrate statements about ASL, Deaf culture, and Deaf education, we speak up and then again, this crap happens.

SJCSue · 08-03-2011, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

Maybe we entered an alternate reality.

Maybe, we are in the Twilight Zone.

Berry · 08-03-2011, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

In society, we have laws that we must follow. If we don't, there would be anarchy.

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This is a belief that has no basis in fact.

Man kind has been around for a few million years. It was not until the Roman times, Just before Jesus, that the Romans started making laws to govern every day human activity.

This is an urban legend promulgated by people who want others to do as they are told to do.

Berry · 08-03-2011, 07:10 AM

OMG! I try to read to the end of this thread and it multiplies as I watch.

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

Doesn't matter who's house you're in, you still need to act like an adult.

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What constitutes "acting like an adult" varies considerably from culture to culture and within cultures.

When I was a kid I learned that standard middle class white people went to a party where people took turns talking and listening. You did not raise your voice and you only moved your hands when you sipped your martini.

While at the Italian party everyone talked at once, quite loudly, and if you could not follow at least three conversations at once you were considered either childish or retarded.

At the Black party people would be loud, jump from one conversation to another and would cat call, insult, or flame each other -- And if you weren't verbally skilled enough to handle the situation without resorting to Mommy, Daddy, the government, police, or your fists, you were not considered ready to stand up in adult society.

And the latinos -- To hell with talking -- Where is the music. We Are Here To DANCE!

Don't tell me how to act like an adult in MY house.

BTW I am old enough not to give a damn about my maturity or my adult hood. It is there whether I like it or not. I WILL get right down on the floor and play with my toys.

Don't invite me to your house unless you are willing to let me be myself.

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Berry

OMG! I try to read to the end of this thread and it multiplies as I watch.

What constitutes "acting like an adult" varies considerably from culture to culture and within cultures.

When I was a kid I learned that standard middle class white people went to a party where people took turns talking and listening. You did not raise your voice and you only moved your hands when you sipped your martini.

While at the Italian party everyone talked at once, quite loudly, and if you could not follow at least three conversations at once you were considered either childish or retarded.

At the Black party people would be loud, jump from one conversation to another and would cat call, insult, or flame each other -- And if you weren't verbally skilled enough to handle the situation without resorting to Mommy, Daddy, the government, police, or your fists, you were not considered ready to stand up in adult society.

And the latinos -- To hell with talking -- Where is the music. We Are Here To DANCE!

Don't tell me how to act like an adult in MY house.

BTW I am old enough not to give a damn about my maturity or my adult hood. It is there whether I like it or not. I WILL get right down on the floor and play with my toys.

Don't invite me to your house unless you are willing to let me be myself.

This is why I cant fully socialize with my husband's family members at gatherings or parties. All that jumping from one conversation to another is a detriment to my deafness so instead of trying to get them to accodomate my needs, I just sit there quietly. I am sure they think I am weak. lol

Berry · 08-03-2011, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Oceanbreeze

I have to wonder if that isn't the case. After all, you all wouldn't act like you do out in the real world. You wouldn't walk up to someone and be disrespectful and such. It simply isn't allowed. But, yet, many do it here on the forum.

I find that very interesting.

I don't know where you live but in the real world it happens all the time.

The other day I had a scrawny tattooed guy and his fat friend threaten to beat the hell out of me at the gas station -- Why? I moved my car so a woman could get by me and HE felt I had moved out of the line.

I didn't see anyone there to prevent them from doing it except me and I sure as hell wasn't going to run.

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Berry

I don't know where you live but in the real world it happens all the time.

The other day I had a scrawny tattooed guy and his fat friend threaten to beat the hell out of me at the gas station -- Why? I moved my car so a woman could get by me and HE felt I had moved out of the line.

I didn't see anyone there to prevent them from doing it except me and I sure as hell wasn't going to run.

A lady yelled profanities at me on the lightrail because I didnt move when she said "Excuse me". One of these days I am gotta get beaten to a pulp for not being able to hear others say "Excuse me."

**Jiro** · 08-03-2011, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

A lady yelled profanities at me on the lightrail because I didnt move when she said "Excuse me". One of these days I am gotta get beaten to a pulp for not being able to hear others say "Excuse me."

lol it reminds me of this scene where Hermione tried to get attention from this elf at the bank.

"ahem"........... "AHEM"........... "AHEM"

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 07:35 AM

OB, I didnt see your posts until Berry quoted them.

No disrespect, but the comment about people walking up to others and being disrespectful not being allowed and how it supposedly happens here on this forum. Um...I have to disagree. What happens here really is due to people coming here who make inaccurate statements, another tells them that it is not correct, then the person gets defensive, and then the brawl starts.

It does happen that way in real life. That's how arguments happen between people.

Nobody here is "walking" up to an ADer out of the blue and name call them for no reason. I took behavior principles classes and trainings. There is always an ancedote to the behavior by rational people.

Just my two cents.

BecLak · 08-03-2011, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KStiletto

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Originally Posted by Bottesini

See? Drawing an audience to this debate already!

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Originally Posted by KristinaB

- This is getting interesting indeed.

Joining you on the benches people, that is until someone tags me into the ring

BecLak · 08-03-2011, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Can I have that with butter?

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Originally Posted by jillio

I have chili lime seasoning on mine!

I'll take mine plain and unsalted please

BecLak · 08-03-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dixie

Glad you can join us Dixie, have a seat

***Alex*** · 08-03-2011, 09:02 AM

Oh wait...

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 09:05 AM

Too bad I dont like popcorn too much but I can grab a bag of chips!

Frisky Feline · 08-03-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Oh wait...

FILF is here!!!

whatdidyousay! · 08-03-2011, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jillio

Intervertions? No, dear, you are not qualified to work as a clinical psycholgist in any state in the U.S. You cannot practice clinical psychology without either a Ph.D. or a Psy.D. in clinical psychology. In fact, I am certain that the APA would be very interested in the fact that you are misrepresenting yourself and your qualifications by stating that you can practice clinical psychology. You can't even identify yourself as a psychologist without a PhD, or a PsyD. In fact, I am ethically obligated to report anyone who is claiming to practice without a degree and the proper credentials.

Your ad hominems are hysterical.

Thanks, however, for showing all that your "peace" and "smile" and rainbows and unicorns was not reality when it comes to your true personality.

I have no interest in reading your dissertation, as the above post indicates that you have difficulty in discerning the difference between reality and pretense, as you are pretending to be a psychologist and are pretending to practice clinical psychology.

OKj illio, I have to ask you how tall are you?? I want to see if Midnightsun really is able to see how tall we're... if she does we better made sure to not be naked when posting comments here....

AlleyCat · 08-03-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frisky Feline

FILF is here!!!

You're naughty.

whatdidyousay! · 08-03-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Oh wait...

Hey Alex stop hogging the popcorn and pass it around!

**Bottesini** · 08-03-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Oh wait...

whatdidyousay! · 08-03-2011, 09:17 AM

Who need Jerry Springer when we have AllDeaf!!

**deafskeptic** · 08-03-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by shel90

Too bad I dont like popcorn too much but I can grab a bag of chips!

I'll bring the hottest salsa I can find for ya.

**deafskeptic** · 08-03-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

OKj illio, I have to ask you how tall are you?? I want to see if Midnightsun really is able to see how tall we're... if she does we better made sure to not be naked when posting comments here....

she's an inch shorter than me. I'm 5 feet one inches.

**deafskeptic** · 08-03-2011, 09:22 AM

I think we need a bench for all the popcorn eaters.

**shel90** · 08-03-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by whatdidyousay!

OKj illio, I have to ask you how tall are you?? I want to see if Midnightsun really is able to see how tall we're... if she does we better made sure to not be naked when posting comments here....

Oh shit! I better go put a shirt on now!

KStiletto · 08-03-2011, 09:27 AM

Yes, I'm tired standing up, and now my popcorn is done....oh wait....

found some.

BecLak · 08-03-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CSign

correction: I had no experience with ASL when my child was born.

I communicate quite effectively with my son. It's been made pretty clear in this thread a part of how I communicate with him.

I said I would jump in this thread when I was tagged, well here I am.

You communicate quite effectively with your son? It may appear to be so, on the surface, but until you begin to see things from his perspective, there will continue to be many gaps in communication. Full on sign language such as represented in ASL (Auslan, BSL and so forth) is the only means by which you can reach full communication and understanding with a Deaf child or adult.

BTW, this is coming from an deaf adult born severely-deaf, raised fully oral, mainstreamed, the only deaf in my family and environmment - who is now Deaf using sign language and voice-off. It is for the very reasons above. I could never be 'hearing', because my perspective was Deaf from the beginning.

CSign · 08-03-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

I said I would jump in this thread when I was tagged, well here I am.

You communicate quite effectively with your son? It may appear to be so, on the surface, but until you begin to see things from his perspective, there will continue to be many gaps in communication. Full on sign language such as represented in ASL (Auslan, BSL and so forth) is the only means by which you can reach full communication and understanding with a Deaf child or adult.

BTW, this is coming from an deaf adult born severely-deaf, raised fully oral, mainstreamed, the only deaf in my family and environmment - who is now Deaf using sign language and voice-off. It is for the very reasons above. I could never be 'hearing', because my perspective was Deaf from the beginning.

Thanks for the thought.

But... My son is not "oral" and we don't have any communication barriers. Hearing aids on or off, we communicate effectively and with ease.

**Beowulf** · 08-03-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BecLak

I said I would jump in this thread when I was tagged, well here I am.

You communicate quite effectively with your son? It may appear to be so, on the surface, but until you begin to see things from his perspective, there will continue to be many gaps in communication. Full on sign language such as represented in ASL (Auslan, BSL and so forth) is the only means by which you can reach full communication and understanding with a Deaf child or adult.

BTW, this is coming from an deaf adult born severely-deaf, raised fully oral, mainstreamed, the only deaf in my family and environmment - who is now Deaf using sign language and voice-off. It is for the very reasons above. I could never be 'hearing', because my perspective was Deaf from the beginning.

Same here and I agree. I became deaf when I was two years old, and in the beginning I had no choice but try to be hearing. I have been trying that for most of my adult life as well, and when I took a good hard look at the results, all the problems and bs entailed in that, I started to become Deaf. I was Deaf all along and only needed to realize it at long last.

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shel90 Let It Snow!!!! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: A place where crabs are popular Posts: 40,303 Blog Entries: 3	OB, I didnt see your posts until Berry quoted them. No disrespect, but the comment about people walking up to others and being disrespectful not being allowed and how it supposedly happens here on this forum. Um...I have to disagree. What happens here really is due to people coming here who make inaccurate statements, another tells them that it is not correct, then the person gets defensive, and then the brawl starts. It does happen that way in real life. That's how arguments happen between people. Nobody here is "walking" up to an ADer out of the blue and name call them for no reason. I took behavior principles classes and trainings. There is always an ancedote to the behavior by rational people. Just my two cents. AlleyCat, jillio, deafskeptic and 1 others like this. __________________ "Wine improves with age. The older I get, the better I like it." --- Anonymous

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