Breaking the Code

loml · 10-19-2006, 06:24 PM

Foxrac · 10-19-2006, 07:02 PM

It's kinda weird video...

Banjo · 10-19-2006, 07:05 PM

I watched this the other day, I found it to be quite informative and fascinating. I also know someone who use it and said it's quite effective. I've read enough to believe that this is a concept that can benefit the deaf children on many levels.

I'm fluent in both English and ASL, but I'm still fascinated by the concept of Cued Speech.

Tousi · 10-19-2006, 08:13 PM

Yeah, and it's my understanding one can learn this in less than a week.

ismi · 10-19-2006, 08:27 PM

That was excellent - as one of the girls in the video said, it's just so hard to explain cueing to people (and not just the reasons for cueing, as she was saying, but also the mechanics of it). I have a whole list of people I'm gonna pass this on to.

But FFS, why did Corbett not cue when he was doing those demos? The parents, too - there were some who were extolling the virtues of cueing but not using it in their interviews. That's a bit more understandable, but the father of cued speech should've cued his lectures! [end minor nitpick]

ismi · 10-19-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tousi

Yeah, and it's my understanding one can learn this in less than a week.

This was just my experience, but I learned it in two 3 hour classes (one a week), plus about 20 minutes of practice a day during that same period. Now, by "learned" I mean that I know how to cue anything I can come up with in English; I still cannot produce it fast enough to carry on anything more than a brief conversation. That, I need more practice for. Reception I also need a lot of practice for. But expressive cueing, at least, I can practice on my own now.

webexplorer · 10-19-2006, 09:05 PM

It would be nice if the schools provide both Cued and a sign language at the same time so that the students have the opportunity to learn from them. Don't you think that would work?

It would be hard for some people to look at a lipreading that say beach and peach. How will you able to know/hear the difference? I think that the sign language would be a good benefit. I support both cued and a sign language.

I do not know anything about cued stuff. My opinion is that it would be so stupid just to learn oral without cued and the sign language.

Texan Guy · 10-20-2006, 12:13 AM

I learned the Cued Speech when I was a lil' kid. But now, I forgot. lol But I'm fluent in SEE 2, ASL and speaking English.

MaxUFC · 10-30-2006, 02:35 PM

It say cued speech is better education. Anyone have been there?
YouTube - Cued Speech

Boult · 10-30-2006, 04:12 PM

corbett did cue briefly as example in the video. I will have to watch it again.. but let me know if you caught it this time.

and I can say that I wish I had immersed into cued speech long time ago oh well.

Boult · 10-30-2006, 04:13 PM

someone posted this already
http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-educatio...king-code.html

cheers...

MaxUFC · 10-30-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boult

someone posted this already
http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-educatio...king-code.html

cheers...

Oh okay. Thanks, Boult.

Boult · 10-30-2006, 10:26 PM

It's alright.. just letting you know

Dino65 · 10-30-2006, 11:41 PM

Many years ago, I watched the video of a person with a Cued Speech .. it looks boooooring to me! I prefer ASL!

deafdyke · 10-31-2006, 03:17 PM

True, but it helps deaf literacy! I don't think it should be someone's primary or first tool.....BUT, I think it IS a useful tool. Like instead of using SEE in the classroom, Cued Speech could be used in the classroom.

jamielee · 10-31-2006, 11:38 PM

its an interesting topic. I also think its a sensitive one with some people too. I think that its something that should be used with ASL not against it to teach english skills.

Banjo · 10-31-2006, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamielee

its an interesting topic. I also think its a sensitive one with some people too. I think that its something that should be used with ASL not against it to teach english skills.

Cued Speech isn't a replacement for ASL. It's a tool allowing the deaf access to the language of English. From what I read, it's a very effective tool.

Dennis · 11-01-2006, 08:22 AM

I'd be interested in learning about cued speech in parallel with my abilities to both hear with my implant and sign fluently. I don't think I quite use pure ASL grammar, so I wouldn't say I'm ASL fluent, but my signs are very understandable.

I just don't see the problem with learning another communication methodology. If someone understands you better with cued speech, and you're able to use it, why not use it, instead of being unable to communicate with each other?

It's the same reason behind why not learn BSL and the other various sign languages in other countries. Don't limit yourself -- and don't be afraid that ASL will go away because of this.

Southern · 11-01-2006, 11:43 AM

I'm still learning and have a lot to learn. Would anyone mind explaining cued speach? Is it similar to lip reading or CC? From what some have posted it appears to be for Deaf children in mainstream schools or who are going to go into it. I am way off?? Thanks everyone for helping educate the hearing. =)

ScubaladyTx · 11-01-2006, 12:31 PM

Oh yeah, I remmy that cued speech at my school of PS 29 in NYC. They said improved their speech.

M-

jillio · 11-01-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScubaladyTx

Oh yeah, I remmy that cued speech at my school of PS 29 in NYC. They said improved their speech.

M-

Yeah, CS has been used off and on for years. It's actually a method developed by the oralists who finally conceeded that even with residual hearing and amplification, manual cues were necessary for understanding.

Cloggy · 11-01-2006, 04:12 PM

Enjoyed the video. Thanks for the info.

ismi · 11-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Southern

I'm still learning and have a lot to learn. Would anyone mind explaining cued speach? Is it similar to lip reading or CC? From what some have posted it appears to be for Deaf children in mainstream schools or who are going to go into it. I am way off?? Thanks everyone for helping educate the hearing. =)

It's a system of 8 handshapes and four 'placements' (places to put those shapes) around the face that aims to take the ambiguity out of lip reading. Most of the people I've met who cue were mainstreamed, yeah, but many of them also sign (just not necessarily in school).

jamielee · 11-01-2006, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

Cued Speech isn't a replacement for ASL. It's a tool allowing the deaf access to the language of English. From what I read, it's a very effective tool.

I never said cued speech should replace ASL. I said it should be used with it meaning it just be another method to use to teach english. ASL does not teach english therefore something is needed to teach it and CS seems to work well for some people.

jillio · 11-03-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Banjo

Cued Speech isn't a replacement for ASL. It's a tool allowing the deaf access to the language of English. From what I read, it's a very effective tool.

True. ASL is a language, and CS is a phonetic tool used to teach oral English skills and facillitate speech reading.

Boult · 11-03-2006, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

True. ASL is a language, and CS is a phonetic tool used to teach oral English skills and facillitate speech reading.

proper definition is this:
Cued Speech is a visual communication system that uses eight handshapes in four different placements near the face in combination with the mouth movements of speech to make the sounds of spoken language look different from each other.
CUEDSPEECH.org > Cued Speech > Definition

Boult · 11-03-2006, 08:51 PM

There are many uses for CS
CUEDSPEECH.org > Cued Speech > Multiple Uses of Cued Speech

jillio · 11-04-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boult

proper definition is this:
Cued Speech is a visual communication system that uses eight handshapes in four different placements near the face in combination with the mouth movements of speech to make the sounds of spoken language look different from each other.
CUEDSPEECH.org > Cued Speech > Definition

Like I said, phonetic tool.

loml · 11-04-2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Like I said, phonetic tool.

Cued English/Cued Speech is based on phonemes, not phonetics. A phonemes is: the smallest sound unit which, in terms of the phonetic sequences of sound, controls meaning.

Dr. Cornett created Cued Speech because he was deeply concerned about the literacy skills of deaf children. It is all about literacy, always has been always will be.

ps: good links Boult!

Boult · 11-05-2006, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillio

Like I said, phonetic tool.

NO but what loml said, I second.

Cued Speech is not like "Hooked on Phonics!" OK? BUT it is one of many uses which is "to learn phonics" but the main purpose is not that.

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10-19-2006, 07:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
Banjo Mr. Movie Guy Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 5,960 Blog Entries: 1	I watched this the other day, I found it to be quite informative and fascinating. I also know someone who use it and said it's quite effective. I've read enough to believe that this is a concept that can benefit the deaf children on many levels. I'm fluent in both English and ASL, but I'm still fascinated by the concept of Cued Speech.

10-19-2006, 08:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tousi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,577	Yeah, and it's my understanding one can learn this in less than a week.

10-19-2006, 08:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
ismi Implanted 7/18/07 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 749	That was excellent - as one of the girls in the video said, it's just so hard to explain cueing to people (and not just the reasons for cueing, as she was saying, but also the mechanics of it). I have a whole list of people I'm gonna pass this on to. But FFS, why did Corbett not cue when he was doing those demos? The parents, too - there were some who were extolling the virtues of cueing but not using it in their interviews. That's a bit more understandable, but the father of cued speech should've cued his lectures! [end minor nitpick]

10-19-2006, 09:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
webexplorer I'm listening to everyone Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New England Posts: 4,505	It would be nice if the schools provide both Cued and a sign language at the same time so that the students have the opportunity to learn from them. Don't you think that would work? It would be hard for some people to look at a lipreading that say beach and peach. How will you able to know/hear the difference? I think that the sign language would be a good benefit. I support both cued and a sign language. I do not know anything about cued stuff. My opinion is that it would be so stupid just to learn oral without cued and the sign language.

10-20-2006, 12:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
Texan Guy Chief of Secret Police Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 2,203	I learned the Cued Speech when I was a lil' kid. But now, I forgot. lol But I'm fluent in SEE 2, ASL and speaking English.

10-30-2006, 11:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dino65 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 491	Many years ago, I watched the video of a person with a Cued Speech .. it looks boooooring to me! I prefer ASL!

10-31-2006, 03:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
deafdyke So NOT a Princess! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Trebekistan Posts: 7,495	True, but it helps deaf literacy! I don't think it should be someone's primary or first tool.....BUT, I think it IS a useful tool. Like instead of using SEE in the classroom, Cued Speech could be used in the classroom.

10-31-2006, 11:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
jamielee Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 186	its an interesting topic. I also think its a sensitive one with some people too. I think that its something that should be used with ASL not against it to teach english skills.

11-01-2006, 08:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
Dennis \/ It's a computer patch. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Death Star HQ Posts: 1,804	I'd be interested in learning about cued speech in parallel with my abilities to both hear with my implant and sign fluently. I don't think I quite use pure ASL grammar, so I wouldn't say I'm ASL fluent, but my signs are very understandable. I just don't see the problem with learning another communication methodology. If someone understands you better with cued speech, and you're able to use it, why not use it, instead of being unable to communicate with each other? It's the same reason behind why not learn BSL and the other various sign languages in other countries. Don't limit yourself -- and don't be afraid that ASL will go away because of this.

11-01-2006, 11:43 AM	#19 (permalink)
Southern Southern Boi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 646	I'm still learning and have a lot to learn. Would anyone mind explaining cued speach? Is it similar to lip reading or CC? From what some have posted it appears to be for Deaf children in mainstream schools or who are going to go into it. I am way off?? Thanks everyone for helping educate the hearing. =)