8.9 quake in Japan triggers massive tsunamis - Page 4

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 10:25 AM

Here's a link. In Japan, fears of a threat no one can see

"In Japan, fears of a threat no one can see"

WOW! SCARY TITLE! The article basically says some people are scared, but oh wait...

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The blast at the Fukushima Daiichi plant could signify the gravest nuclear power crisis since the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, which contributed to the collapse of the Soviet Union, although early fears of a meltdown appeared unfounded, at least for now.

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 10:27 AM

Pretty simple really. You seem more concerned with the fish than the lasting effects of radiation on the people. What I am trying to say is if there is a nuclear meltdown, it is a huge problem.

Most likely, you are younger than I am. Trust me when I tell you this; any radiation released under these circumstances is not a good thing.

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 10:35 AM

I didn't say I was more concerned about the fish than I was humans. I was curious about what would happen from an economic standpoint...because I teach it in high school.

I do care about human life. I do care about Japan. It's actually one of my favorite places to study regional history. I'm just not going to panic about an unlikely nuclear meltdown right now. That shows maturity, not immaturity.

When this stuff was first posted, it was all speculation. If something changes - and it's dependent on so many factors - then I'll adjust my concern accordingly.

When this story first broke, everyone was like, OH MY GOD! ITS GONNA HIT THE US! runnnnnnnnn and what did we get? WHAT CRAZY BIG SENSATIONALIST NEWS HAPPENED?

Some big waves.

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 10:41 AM

Japan Nuclear Meltdown Averted? | Tokyo Notes

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

I didn't say I was more concerned about the fish than I was humans. I was curious about what would happen from an economic standpoint...because I teach it in high school.

I do care about human life. I do care about Japan. It's actually one of my favorite places to study regional history. I'm just not going to panic about an unlikely nuclear meltdown right now. That shows maturity, not immaturity.

When this stuff was first posted, it was all speculation. If something changes - and it's dependent on so many factors - then I'll adjust my concern accordingly.

When this story first broke, everyone was like, OH MY GOD! ITS GONNA HIT THE US! runnnnnnnnn and what did we get? WHAT CRAZY BIG SENSATIONALIST NEWS HAPPENED?

Some big waves.

And I did not comment until today, if you look around. I saw a lot of folks that were basically yawning at the possibility of nuclear meltdown. Perhaps they need to see the mushroom cloud. Dunno. Maturity? I am certainly not guilty of being mature. Ask anyone that knows me. Old man that forgot to grow up....CHECK.

All media uses speculation to increase viewership. They also use sensational headlines. They use pretty faces to tell us to worry. Same crap, different location.

No worries.

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 10:53 AM

roflcopter

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

roflcopter

Like this:

authentic · 03-12-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Like this:

or this

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 01:47 PM

**Reba** · 03-12-2011, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanblue7

I got good news my friend and his family are alright!

Great!

**Phillips** · 03-12-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanblue7

I got good news my friend and his family are alright!

Good news!

**Phillips** · 03-12-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lanapoo

Serious?!

AlleyCat · 03-12-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Oceanblue7

I got good news my friend and his family are alright!

That's great !!

posts from hell · 03-12-2011, 04:04 PM

Lanapoo..

"To reduce the pressure, you would have to release some steam into the atmosphere from the system. In that steam, there will be small but measurable amounts of radioactive nitrogen - nitrogen 16 (produced when neutrons hit water). This remains radioactive for only about 5 seconds, after which it decays to natural oxygen.

posts from hell · 03-12-2011, 04:31 PM

adding this:

There are unfortunately few specialty reporters these days covering nuclear energy and technology closely. The New York Times' veteran energy and environment reporter Matthew L. Wald is one of the few with such expertise, and it showed in the paper's initial coverage of the story. While the Japanese nuclear plant explosion topped the Times' website homepage, online stories today by Michael Wines from Tokyo and Wald from Washington D.C. provided a far more measured assessment of the changing situation than the largely breathless, frantic coverage and commentary elsewhere.

**Beowulf** · 03-12-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Lanapoo..

"To reduce the pressure, you would have to release some steam into the atmosphere from the system. In that steam, there will be small but measurable amounts of radioactive nitrogen - nitrogen 16 (produced when neutrons hit water). This remains radioactive for only about 5 seconds, after which it decays to natural oxygen.

Keep in mind there is no nitrogen in water, but I am sure you know that. The probelm with nitrogen 16 hitting a waterbody is that it causes eutrophication, the term for excess nutrients in water which cause an increase in phosphates which stimulates excessive plant growth such as algal blooms. It is still too early to tell what damage has been done, but let's not make this incident sound like a walk in the park.

posts from hell · 03-12-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Keep in mind there is no nitrogen in water, but I am sure you know that. The probelm with nitrogen 16 hitting a waterbody is that it causes eutrophication, the term for excess nutrients in water which cause an increase in phosphates which stimulates excessive plant growth such as algal blooms. It is still too early to tell what damage has been done, but let's not make this incident sound like a walk in the park.

we have reporters that have no business reporting about this thing.

The explosion was most likely a hydrogen explosion, which we all know once it explodes, it is gone just like that.

The point with the n-16 thing is to show that there are different radioactive elements in play here.

Even bricks on our houses have radioactive elements in them. Do we scream "radioactivity is being exposed to us" when we walk next to one? No.

So, why is the media all over it like that when they have no business doin so?

I thought the 3 mile island was lesson enough.

Its been more than 24 hours, and the fact that there is no melt down yet - it just says the danger has been reduced very very much.

**Beowulf** · 03-12-2011, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

we have reporters that have no business reporting about this thing.

The explosion was most likely a hydrogen explosion, which we all know once it explodes, it is gone just like that.

The point with the n-16 thing is to show that there are different radioactive elements in play here.

Even bricks on our houses have radioactive elements in them. Do we scream "radioactivity is being exposed to us" when we walk next to one? No.

So, why is the media all over it like that when they have no business doin so?

I thought the 3 mile island was lesson enough.

Its been more than 24 hours, and the fact that there is no melt down yet - it just says the danger has been reduced very very much.

I sure hope so. It may sound warped, but I am glad it happened in Japan. They do not cut corners when it comes to technology and safety, and they can only learn from this and make it safer.

**Reba** · 03-12-2011, 05:07 PM

News reports are usually based upon the information that is distributed by the agencies involved in an incident. That is, news departments collect the data from releases and interviews given by sources such as government agencies and their representatives. They add "color" and human interest to their reports by interviewing witnesses.

posts from hell · 03-12-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

News reports are usually based upon the information that is distributed by the agencies involved in an incident. That is, news departments collect the data from releases and interviews given by sources such as government agencies and their representatives. They add "color" and human interest to their reports by interviewing witnesses.

So, in a way...

Government report: Nitrogen 16 is being vented to control pressure in the containment vessel.

Witness: I had to be evacuated because I lived about 10km away from the plant.

News report: Radioactivity is being vented. 300,000 evacuated.

Both the same thing. But the reporter without knowledge doesn't know how not-so-serious N-16 is, and doesn't take time to explain what it is.

**Reba** · 03-12-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

So, in a way...

Government report: Nitrogen 16 is being vented to control pressure in the containment vessel.

Witness: I had to be evacuated because I lived about 10km away from the plant.

News report: Radioactivity is being vented. 300,000 evacuated.

Both the same thing. But the reporter without knowledge doesn't know how not-so-serious N-16 is, and doesn't take time to explain what it is.

Whomever provided the reporter with the information should have included those details.

When I worked in public affairs, media relations, it was SOP to include background information and explanatory details with all incident releases.

That isn't to say that those receiving the information make use of it.

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

I sure hope so. It may sound warped, but I am glad it happened in Japan. They do not cut corners when it comes to technology and safety, and they can only learn from this and make it safer.

Well stated. Imagine if this happened in China...

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by posts from hell

Its been more than 24 hours, and the fact that there is no melt down yet - it just says the danger has been reduced very very much.

Those 5.8 aftershocks are keeping things interesting though...

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 07:58 PM

I feel like people what their to be a big nuclear fallout so we can all revel in the drama.

AlleyCat · 03-12-2011, 08:03 PM

Not when people's lives are at stake.

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

I feel like people what their to be a big nuclear fallout so we can all revel in the drama.

Seriously?

lanapoo · 03-12-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

Seriously?

Yes, we need drama in this world... Goddammit.

**saywhatkid** · 03-12-2011, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lanapoo

Yes, we need drama in this world... Goddammit.

That last bit of wording will keep me away, no doubt.

lanapoo · 03-12-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saywhatkid

That last bit of wording will keep me away, no doubt.

/sarcasm

TheOracle · 03-12-2011, 08:45 PM

Look at the news! It's so sensationalist. pfh already pointed out that even credible news sources were getting a little bit drama-happy.

Big news is big news, yes. But I'm still waiting for the headline that says "nuclear fallout unlikely". but maybe that doesn't get people as jazzed.

Thousands just died in a round of earthquakes. Does anyone seem to notice that? No...it's like people are *hoping* for something else to happen. I'm not saying people here are hoping, but no, right now my concern isn't about an unlikely nuclear fallout, it's more about people who are currently stranded, hungry, injured, sick, etc.

03-12-2011, 10:27 AM	#92 (permalink)
saywhatkid Emerging from the sun Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In space Posts: 7,242 Blog Entries: 2	Pretty simple really. You seem more concerned with the fish than the lasting effects of radiation on the people. What I am trying to say is if there is a nuclear meltdown, it is a huge problem. Most likely, you are younger than I am. Trust me when I tell you this; any radiation released under these circumstances is not a good thing. __________________ "Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies." ~ Mother Teresa

03-12-2011, 10:35 AM	#93 (permalink)
TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	I didn't say I was more concerned about the fish than I was humans. I was curious about what would happen from an economic standpoint...because I teach it in high school. I do care about human life. I do care about Japan. It's actually one of my favorite places to study regional history. I'm just not going to panic about an unlikely nuclear meltdown right now. That shows maturity, not immaturity. When this stuff was first posted, it was all speculation. If something changes - and it's dependent on so many factors - then I'll adjust my concern accordingly. When this story first broke, everyone was like, OH MY GOD! ITS GONNA HIT THE US! runnnnnnnnn and what did we get? WHAT CRAZY BIG SENSATIONALIST NEWS HAPPENED? Some big waves. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,434	Lanapoo.. "To reduce the pressure, you would have to release some steam into the atmosphere from the system. In that steam, there will be small but measurable amounts of radioactive nitrogen - nitrogen 16 (produced when neutrons hit water). This remains radioactive for only about 5 seconds, after which it decays to natural oxygen.

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posts from hell Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,434	adding this: There are unfortunately few specialty reporters these days covering nuclear energy and technology closely. The New York Times' veteran energy and environment reporter Matthew L. Wald is one of the few with such expertise, and it showed in the paper's initial coverage of the story. While the Japanese nuclear plant explosion topped the Times' website homepage, online stories today by Michael Wines from Tokyo and Wald from Washington D.C. provided a far more measured assessment of the changing situation than the largely breathless, frantic coverage and commentary elsewhere. TheOracle likes this.

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Reba Granny Terp Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 39,108	News reports are usually based upon the information that is distributed by the agencies involved in an incident. That is, news departments collect the data from releases and interviews given by sources such as government agencies and their representatives. They add "color" and human interest to their reports by interviewing witnesses.

03-12-2011, 07:58 PM	#114 (permalink)
TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	I feel like people what their to be a big nuclear fallout so we can all revel in the drama. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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AlleyCat Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In my time zone Posts: 10,777	Not when people's lives are at stake.

03-12-2011, 08:45 PM	#120 (permalink)
TheOracle Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,491	Look at the news! It's so sensationalist. pfh already pointed out that even credible news sources were getting a little bit drama-happy. Big news is big news, yes. But I'm still waiting for the headline that says "nuclear fallout unlikely". but maybe that doesn't get people as jazzed. Thousands just died in a round of earthquakes. Does anyone seem to notice that? No...it's like people are hoping for something else to happen. I'm not saying people here are hoping, but no, right now my concern isn't about an unlikely nuclear fallout, it's more about people who are currently stranded, hungry, injured, sick, etc. __________________ In the confusion we stay with each other, happy to be together, speaking without uttering a single word. Question everyone. This is the Internet.

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