Shooting at Ft Hood; 7 dead, 20+wounded - Page 2

Jiro · 11-06-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

It is absolutely normal to be scared of going to another country where there is war there. Many soldiers feel that way and I don't blame them but of course, no excuse to kill people over the deployment to Iraq issue.

yep. definitely.

Steel X · 11-06-2009, 12:09 PM

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Shooting unarmed, non-threatening, cornered people in a building without warning is cowardly.

My point exactly.

sara1981 · 11-06-2009, 06:45 PM

updates from my hometown

Fort Hood Shootings: Flags Lowered In Ark., Moment of Silence Held
Fort Hood Shootings: Flags Lowered In Ark., Moment of Silence Held - todaysthv.com | KTHV | Little Rock, AR

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Arkansas Gov. Mike Beebe is ordering all U.S. and Arkansas flags to be flown at half-staff to honor those killed and wounded at Fort Hood, Texas. The flags are to be lowered until sunset Tuesday.

Beebe said in a statement that military personnel in Arkansas have a long history with Fort Hood.

Authorities say a military psychiatrist went on a shooting rampage Thursday that left 13 dead at the base.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has declared a moment of silence for U.S. military forces worldwide as a show of respect for the Fort Hood victims. The Arkansas National Guard participated in that moment of silence Friday afternoon.

The Arkansas National Guard released the following statement:

"The Arkansas National Guard is deeply saddened by the devastating tragedy that took place at Fort Hood, Texas, yesterday. Our thoughts and prayers are with the entire community of Fort Hood, but especially with the families and individuals directly affected by this heartbreaking event."

The South Central Division of the American Red Cross, which includes Arkansas and Texas, has shipped more than 150 units of blood and blood products to use in the Fort Hood response. They are on standby to ship more.

Local Red Cross spokesman Alan Gibson says, "Tragic events are a clear reminder of the message we always offer that the need for blood is constant and supplies have to be ready and available at all times to meet unexpected need."

If you are eligible to give blood or have questions about donating, call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE (800-448-3543) or givelife.org.

Authorities say the Fort Hood shooting suspect, Nidal Malik Hasan, remains in a coma but is expected to live.

A federal law enforcement official said investigators have not been able to talk to Hasan since the deadly rampage that left 13 people dead and injured 30 others at the sprawling Army post in Texas on Thursday.

The initial investigation shows that Hasan allegedly used only one gun during the attack, a 5.7-caliber semiautomatic pistol. Army officials said Hasan also was carrying another handgun. But the law enforcement official said there's nothing so far to indicate the second weapon was fired.

The law enforcement official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama has asked Americans not to jump to conclusions while law enforcement officials gather facts about the shootings.

THV's Faith Abubey is following this story and will have the latest on "Today's THV at 6:00" and todaysthv.com.

Reba · 11-06-2009, 10:42 PM

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Fort Hood shooting victims
Express-News -

The following is a list of the victims in Thursday's Fort Hood shooting rampage that left 13 dead and 38 injured, of which 30 needed to be hospitalized. The list is compiled from various news reports around the country. Authorities have not released any names of the victims as of noon Friday.

Killed

Michael Grant Cahill, 62, of Spokane, Wash., was a physician's assistant who was working on the post as a contracted civilian

Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow, 32, of Plymouth, Ind.

Reservist John Gaffaney, 56, of Serra Messa, Calif.

Spc. Jason Dean Hunt, 22, of Tipton, Okla.

Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis.

Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19, of West Jordan, Utah, was killed.

Pfc. Michael Pearson, 21, of Bolingbrook, Ill.

Russell Seager, 51, of Racine, Wis.

Pvt. Francheska Velez, 21, of Chicago. She was pregnant.

Military physician assistant Juanita Warman, 55, of Pittsburgh

Spc. Kham Xiong, 23, of St. Paul, Minn.

Wounded

Chief Warrant Officer Chris Birmingham of Eclectic, Ala., was shot three times.

Sgt. Patrick Blue III, 23, of Belcourt, N.D., was hit in the side by bullet fragments during the attack

Amber Bahr, 19, of Random Lake, Wis., was shot in the stomach.

Keara Bono Torkelson, 21, of Ostego, Mo., was shot in the back left shoulder.

Alan Carroll, 20, of Bridgewater, N.J., was shot three times.

U.S. Army Reserve Social Worker Dorothy “Dorrie” Carskadon of Rockford, Ill., was critically injured.

Staff Sgt. Joy Clark, 27, of Des Moines suffered a gunshot wound

Spc. Matthew Cook, 30, of Binghamton, N.Y., was shot in the abdomen

Staff Sgt. Chad Davis of Eufaula, Ala., was wounded.

Pvt. Joey Foster, 21, of Ogden, Utah, was shot in the hip

Cpl. Nathan Hewitt, 26, of West Lafayette, Ind.

Justin Johnson, 21, of Punta Gorda, Fla., was shot in the chest and leg.

Staff. Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford, of Richmond County, N.C., was shot multiple times.

Shawn Manning, 33, formerly of Redman, Ore., was shot six times

Army 2nd Lt. Brandy Mason, of Monessen, was wounded.

Reserve Spc. Grant Moxon, 23, of Lodi, Wis., was shot in the leg.

Sgt. Kimberly Munley, 34, of Killeen is the Fort Hood civilian police officer who was shot multiple times by the suspect.

Maj. Randy Royer of Dothan, Ala., was shot.

Pvt. Raymondo “Ray” Saucedo, 26, of Greenville, Mich., had a bullet graze his arm.

George Stratton III, 18, of Post Falls, Idaho, was shot in the shoulder.

Fort Hood shooting victims

Reba · 11-06-2009, 10:48 PM

If Hasan stays in a coma indefinitely he can't be tried. That means, he will stay in the care of the government who will have to pay his extensive medical bills for possibly years.

sara1981 · 11-07-2009, 01:13 AM

updates from BBC news

US 'grieving' after army shooting
BBC NEWS | Americas | US 'grieving' after army shooting

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US President Barack Obama has said the "entire nation" is grieving after a shooting that killed 13 people at a Texas army base.

He said he had ordered all flags at the White House and other Federal buildings to be flown at half mast until Veterans Day on 11 November.

Meanwhile hundreds of people held a candle-lit vigil at the Fort Hood base.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, a US-born Muslim and army psychiatrist, opened fire at Fort Hood on Thursday.

He was due to be deployed soon to Afghanistan, a military official said.

Family members said Mr Hasan was strongly opposed to the deployment and had wanted to leave the army.

Mr Obama cautioned against "jumping to conclusions" and said the motives for the shooting were being investigated.

"What we do know is that their families, friends and an entire nation are grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday," he said on Friday.

He added that the order for flags on federal buildings to fly at half mast was a "modest tribute to those who lost their lives".

Later Japanese media reported that Mr Obama had asked to postpone his visit to Japan next Thursday by a day so that he could attend a memorial service for those killed.

The chief of staff of the US Army - Gen George Casey - said the attack had been a "kick in the gut" for the entire army.

On Friday, US soldiers and civilian residents at Fort Hood attended a candle-lit vigil in honour of the victims of the shootings, many crying and bowing their heads.

"Remember to keep breathing ... keep going," Chaplain Douglas Carver told the crowd, quoted by AP news agency.

Over 100 rounds fired

The attack began at about 1330 (1930 GMT) on Thursday at a personnel and medical centre at Fort Hood - the largest US military base in the world, home to about 40,000 troops.

The commander of the base, Lt Gen Robert Cone, told NBC News that, according to eyewitnesses, Mr Hasan had shouted the Arabic phrase "Allahu Akbar!" [God is great] before opening fire.

Deputy commander at Fort Hood, Col John Rossi, later said that more than 100 rounds were fired during the attack.

Col Rossi also confirmed earlier reports that the two handguns carried by Maj Hasan were not military arms, but "privately owned weapons".

He said that the suspect - who had been on a ventilator in a civilian hospital - was transferred on Friday by helicopter to the Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas.

'Nightmare'

Maj Hasan was shot four times during the attack and is currently being treated in hospital under armed guard.

The policewoman who shot him first - named as Kimberly Munley, 34 - was among those wounded.

A picture is beginning to emerge of the suspect, a psychiatrist who was transferred to the Texas base in July.

Reports suggested that he had been increasingly unhappy in the military and that his work at his previous post - Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC - had been the subject of concern.

His cousin told US media that Maj Hasan had been opposed to an imminent deployment overseas, describing it as his "worst nightmare".

He also said that Maj Hasan had been battling racial harassment because of his "Middle Eastern ethnicity".

Asif Qadri, who runs a clinic at a Muslim community centre where Maj Hasan prayed in Silver Spring, Maryland, told the BBC: "He seemed to be quite a gentleman... When I saw this news last night, it was unbelievable to me that this was the same person."

The imam of the mosque, Mohamed Abdullahi, said: "I never assumed that someone who took care of the mentally ill would himself be having problems."

A fellow Fort Hood soldier told the BBC that the incident could put pressure on Muslim American soldiers.

"It kind of puts a negative light on them and makes people distrust them because everybody is going to look at them [and think]: 'Well, you're probably going to pull something like this'," the soldier said. "And it's a sad fact that that will happen."

The New York Times said the FBI had been investigating internet postings by a man called Nidal Hasan that appeared to back suicide bombings - but said it was not clear whether it was the suspect.

Gen Cone said a graduation ceremony for a group of soldiers was taking place nearby at the time of the shooting.

"Thanks to the quick reaction of several soldiers, they were able to close off the doors to that auditorium where there were some 600 people inside," he said.

"As horrible as this was, I think it could have been much worse."

In an e-mail to the BBC, a US soldier stationed at the base described the venue as a large, open room where hundreds of soldiers were queuing up to get their pre-deployment checklists signed off.

netrox · 11-07-2009, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiro

I'm deeply disturbed by that statement.

I know.. just an overreaction to it. I don't mean it literally.

Steel X · 11-07-2009, 03:05 AM

Wow...he shot and killed a PREGNANT woman at the base. That is SO damn low of him.

Steel X · 11-07-2009, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

If Hasan stays in a coma indefinitely he can't be tried. That means, he will stay in the care of the government who will have to pay his extensive medical bills for possibly years.

Fuck that. I ain't paying taxes for that freak. He can just die a slow miserable death, to save us the trouble.

Steel X · 11-07-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

One of the shooting witnesses said that Hasan stood on a table, yelled, "Allah akbar", then started shooting down into the cubicles where soldiers were sitting. At first, she thought it was a terrorism exercise until a second later the person standing next to her was shot dead.

"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.

Beowulf · 11-07-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.

Huh? He could have recited Mother Goose for all I care. Where does a wife come into the picture? He was a loose doorknob and "Thou shalt not kill" meant nothing to him.

deafskeptic · 11-07-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.

Well, I don't know who the pregant woman was or what her relation was to him but if it was an honor killing why bring down so many people down with him? It'd be more logical to do this in private than to go and kill so many people in an honor killing in a public setting.

sallylou · 11-07-2009, 02:33 PM

We can neither understand the dark side of human nature nor reconcile it with the human being that we purport to know. We will always be left shaking our heads.

May the victims rest in peace and the survivors find solace.

Reba · 11-07-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel X

"Allah Akbar" means God is Great so...it sounds like he did that out of the so called honor killing.

Honor killing is well known when husbands kill their wives when he dont think his wife (or wives) was "obeying" him or whatever so...he kill her and declare it as an honor killing while saying that religious mumbo jumbo.

I guess "thou shall not kill" don't really mean anything to them.

Hasan wasn't married.

Reba · 11-07-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by deafskeptic

Well, I don't know who the pregant woman was or what her relation was to him but if it was an honor killing why bring down so many people down with him? It'd be more logical to do this in private than to go and kill so many people in an honor killing in a public setting.

The pregnant woman who was killed was no relation to Hasan. She was one of the soldiers who was shot by him. I don't know if he even knew her much less knew that she was pregnant.

kokonut · 11-07-2009, 03:32 PM

No photo-ops. No staging. No shout outs. Just a quiet and respectful visit to the injured soldiers from the Ft. Hood killing spree.
George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers - cbs11tv.com

God bless the troops.

Steel X · 11-07-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beowulf

Huh? He could have recited Mother Goose for all I care. Where does a wife come into the picture? He was a loose doorknob and "Thou shalt not kill" meant nothing to him.

He wasn't married. Honor killing with the husband killing his wife is the only best example I put up with cause it happens ALOT. But it's not always about husband/wife thing. It can be many things...as I've heard one story about a teenage muslim girl who "converted" her religion to Christianity and her father threatened that he would kill her (aka honor killing) if she don't change back to her original religion. Her parents first thought she was "brainwashed" when she went to a christian church with her friends one time or whatever like that. They do NOT accept Jesus Christ as the son of God for some reasons. The teenage girl ran away from home and was hiding in FL with some friends for awhile and the muslim parents were worried about her as like they were any normal parents who worry sick for their kids gone missing want them to be home safe and all but...from what the girl said about her father suspected us...and the father said he NEVER said such things to her and that he loves her daughter very much, even if she converted her religion to Christianity, he still wants her to come home. So there is a court ruling on that but I don't know the outcome. Whether the girl have to go back to her parents or not...there were some pictures of her being scared shitless of her father so...who knows.

Steel X · 11-07-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Hasan wasn't married.

Yea I know.

Reba · 11-07-2009, 05:48 PM

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Muslim leader had troubling talks with suspect
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer Angela K. Brown, Associated Press Writer 28 mins ago

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist who authorities say went on a shooting rampage at Fort Hood was so conflicted over what to tell fellow soldiers about fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan that a local Islamic leader was deeply troubled by it, the leader said Saturday.

Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said he was disturbed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's persistent questioning and recommended the mosque reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at the sprawling Army post.

Danquah said Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence, but during the second of two conversations they had over the summer, Hasan seemed almost incoherent, he said.

"But what if a person gets in and feels that it's just not right?" Danquah recalled Hasan asking him.

"I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Danquah told The Associated Press during an interview at Fort Hood on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."

Authorities accuse Hasan of firing more than 100 rounds Thursday in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood, killing 13 and wounding 29 others in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S. At the start of the attack, Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" Hasan, 39, was seriously wounded by police and is being treated in a military hospital.

The military has said Hasan was scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan, but family members suggested he was trying avoid serving overseas.

Hasan's relatives who live in the Palestinian territories have said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.

"He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin, told the AP from his home on the outskirts of Ramallah, a Palestinian city in the West Bank. "He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge."

The Army major also had previously questioned the U.S. war on terror.

A former classmate has said Hasan was a "vociferous opponent of the war" and "viewed the war against terror" as a "war against Islam." Dr. Val Finnell, who attended a master's in public health program in 2007-2008 at Uniformed Services University with Hasan, said he told classmates he was "a Muslim first and an American second."

"In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were."

Danquah said his conversations with Hasan occurred following two religious services sometime before Ramadan, the Islamic holy month that started in late August. He said the soldier, who transferred to Fort Hood from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in July, regularly attended services at the Killeen, Texas, mosque in his uniform.

During his talks with Hasan, Danquah, 61, said he told him that Muslims were fighting each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories and that American soldiers with objections to serving overseas had recourse to voice such concerns.

"As a Muslim, you come into a community and the way you integrate normally — I didn't see that kind of integration," he said. Danquah, a retired Army 1st sergeant and Gulf War veteran, did not tell the military about his conversations with Hasan.

"I didn't think it rose to that level of concern," he said, adding that he thought the military "chain of command should have picked it up" if Hasan had issues.

Most of the wounded from Thursday's attack remained hospitalized, many in intensive care. Hasan was transferred Friday to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, about 150 miles southwest of Fort Hood. Army officials late Friday gave no indication of his condition except to say he was "not able to converse."

The bodies of the victims arrived at Delaware's Dover Air Force Base on Friday night and autopsies were being formed, said Dover spokesman Air Force Maj. Carl Grusnick.

The White House said President Barack Obama would attend a memorial service Tuesday at Fort Hood. Earlier Saturday, Obama said in his radio and Internet address that the training designed to keep U.S. forces safe abroad prevented further deaths and ended the rampage at Fort Hood.

Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, visited wounded soldiers Friday night at the post hospital. On Saturday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry also visited the wounded and said the soldiers he met with were honored to serve their country.

"What I heard time after time in those hospital rooms is they're honored to be able to serve our country," Perry said during a news conference.
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Associated Press Writers Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank, and Jessica Gresko in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.

Suspect told 'There's something wrong with you' - Yahoo! News

sequoias · 11-07-2009, 06:04 PM

Sad that people go postal and kill innocent lives....stupid people can't keep their temper under control.

***Calvin*** · 11-07-2009, 06:47 PM

Mod note:

Two threads has been merged.

Foxrac · 11-07-2009, 07:14 PM

Does US military has anti-discrmination law against on religious harassment?

Reba · 11-07-2009, 08:31 PM

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Does US military has anti-discrmination law against on religious harassment?

Yes.

Foxrac · 11-07-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Yes.

Oh, got it and I'm not surprised about some armies are break the rule.

Berry · 11-07-2009, 09:01 PM

let me see here.

He is a psychiatrist.

He went berserk.

I wonder what his patients are going through right now?

Reba · 11-07-2009, 09:13 PM

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Oh, got it and I'm not surprised about some armies are break the rule.

Soldiers are humans so they don't all behave properly all the time, just like the general American population.

There is a legal difference between religious discrimination and religious harassment. For example, it's discrimination if a person isn't promoted or assigned to a special school because of religion. It's harassment if one soldier calls another one names or snubs him. In the military, there is another level for enforcing respect. People of different ranks or rates aren't allowed to disrespect others. That's a UCMJ offense.

To be honest, most military people who are offended by others of equal rank or rate aren't going to make a formal complaint. They don't want to be perceived as whiners.

Reba · 11-08-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Berry

let me see here.

He is a psychiatrist.

He went berserk.

I wonder what his patients are going through right now?

More weirdness--five of the 13 victims were mental health professionals from the Army's Combat Stress Control Detachment.

sara1981 · 11-08-2009, 12:44 AM

updates from cnn

Army honors dead, searches for motive in Fort Hood shootings
Army honors dead, searches for motive in Fort Hood shootings - CNN.com

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A CNN Special Investigation drills down on the causes and the impact of the Fort Hood shootings, at 8 p.m. ET Saturday on CNN TV.

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Thirteen flag-draped coffins left Fort Hood on Friday as authorities searched for a motive in the massacre that left more than 50 casualties at the largest U.S. military base.

Thursday's mass shooting killed 12 soldiers and one civilian and wounded 38 people at the Fort Hood Army Post in Texas. The suspect in the shooting, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a licensed Army psychiatrist, was among the two dozen who remained hospitalized Friday night.

Hasan was transported to Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, and was in critical condition but stable, a spokesman said. Investigators were waiting to speak to the comatose Hasan, who is under heavy guard, said Col. John Rossi, the post's deputy commander.

The bodies of the 13 personnel who died were transported through a "ramp ceremony" to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware for a dignified transfer, he said. It was a "truly moving ceremony."

FBI agents helping investigate the shootings searched Hasan's apartment on Friday while investigators sifted through the crime scene, Fort Hood's military processing center, where soldiers report before they go to war.

Hasan, who worked at a hospital on the base, is accused of using two handguns in the shooting. Two law enforcement sources told CNN that one of the weapons used is an FN 5.7-millimeter pistol, a semiautomatic purchased legally at Guns Galore, a Killeen gun shop. Details on the other gun, identified only as a type of revolver, were not immediately available.

Rossi told reporters late Friday that both guns were privately owned and never registered at the post.

Earlier, officials said investigators were looking into whether some soldiers may have been shot accidentally by others trying to shoot the gunman. However, Rossi said, "All indications are that this is not a friendly fire incident. And, of course, that will be validated when the investigation is complete."

Rossi attributed the high casualty rate to the "more than 100 rounds" fired by the gunman and the relatively small size of the room, among other factors.

Fort Hood Police Sgt. Kimberly Munley, who has been credited with shooting Hasan and ending the massacre, was among the wounded. She was in stable condition Friday night, according to her family and military officials. Munley's partner, Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, was also lauded for "engaging" the shooter, Rossi said.

Todd, in an interview Friday night with CNN's Anderson Cooper, described the intense scene as both officers fired shots at the accused gunman.

"He looked like he was calm. He was just pointing a finger at me," Todd said. "The weapon ... I just know I saw the weapon and that's when we returned fire."

Todd, a retired member of the military police, offered his condolences to the families of the victims. "I wish we could've gotten there sooner and helped out a lot sooner -- but we got there as soon as we possibly could."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry was scheduled to visit hospitalized victims of the shooting Saturday.

As the Fort Hood community grieved its numerous losses, holding a candlelight vigil and setting up support lines, some details about the alleged gunman emerged. Relatives say Hasan, a U.S.-born citizen of Palestinian descent, was a "calm" individual who had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Others described him as a vocal opponent to the war on terror whose rhetoric concerned colleagues.

Fort Hood's commanding general said witnesses have reported that the gunman yelled "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great," during the rampage. However, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said investigators had not confirmed that.

Hasan's neighbors at his Killeen, Texas, apartment complex said he cleaned out his place just hours before the rampage and gave copies of the Quran to several residents.

President Obama, in remarks Friday morning, cautioned against "jumping to conclusions" about what had triggered "one of the worst mass shootings ever to take place on an American military base."

He ordered that flags at the White House and other federal buildings be flown at half staff until Veterans Day, Wednesday of next week. "This is a modest tribute to those who lost their lives, even as many were preparing to risk their lives for their country," the president said. "It's also a recognition of the men and women who put their lives on the line every day to protect our safety and uphold our values. We honor their service, we stand in awe of their sacrifice, and we pray for the safety of those who fight and for the families of those who have fallen."

Obama said he met with FBI Director Robert Mueller and representatives of other relevant agencies to discuss the investigation. He promised his administration will provide updates.

The central question investigators want to answer: Why would a member of the military who had been trusted with helping others achieve a healthier mental state allegedly shoot his comrades?

"He took care of soldiers with behavioral health problems and also evaluated people who had disability evaluations," Braverman told reporters Friday morning.

Asked whether Hasan, 39, had seemed adequately prepared for his job, Braverman responded, "We had no indication otherwise."

According to the American Psychiatric Association, Hasan co-chaired a panel at the group's May convention titled "Medical Issues for Psychiatrists in Disasters."

Military records show Hasan received his appointment to the Army as a first lieutenant in June 1997 after graduating from Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, with a degree in biochemistry. Six years later, he graduated from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences' F. Edward Hebert School Of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland, and was first an intern, then a resident and finally a fellow at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

He was promoted to major in May.

Army Lt. Col. Wayne Hall said Hasan was to deploy to Afghanistan to work with a unit already there as part of behavioral health support. It wasn't clear when Hasan was scheduled to go overseas for what would have been his first deployment.

Since 2001, Hasan had been telling his family that he wanted to get out of the military but was unsuccessful, said a spokeswoman for his cousin, Nader Hasan. She added that he told his family he had been taunted after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Nader Hasan issued a statement late Thursday on behalf of relatives, saying they were shocked by the shootings. Another family statement on Friday said, "We are mortified with what has unfolded and there is no justification, whatsoever, for what happened. We are all asking why this happened -- and the answer is that we simply do not know.

"We can not explain, nor do we excuse what happened yesterday. Yesterday's violence in no way reflects the feelings, beliefs, or principles of our family," the statement continued, adding that the family is cooperating with authorities.

ASLGAL · 11-08-2009, 08:20 AM

I can find nothing good to say or valid reasoning for this terrorists actions or his attack.

Foxrac · 11-08-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Reba

Soldiers are humans so they don't all behave properly all the time, just like the general American population.

There is a legal difference between religious discrimination and religious harassment. For example, it's discrimination if a person isn't promoted or assigned to a special school because of religion. It's harassment if one soldier calls another one names or snubs him. In the military, there is another level for enforcing respect. People of different ranks or rates aren't allowed to disrespect others. That's a UCMJ offense.

To be honest, most military people who are offended by others of equal rank or rate aren't going to make a formal complaint. They don't want to be perceived as whiners.

Yup, I'm quite bitter at muslim people who couldn't take along with America and many terrorist has been commit by muslim people so I couldn't understand about what they are doing, however I don't say muslim is bad and they are just human like us does but their religion is quite odd to me.

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Steel X Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 13,078	Wow...he shot and killed a PREGNANT woman at the base. That is SO damn low of him. __________________

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sallylou Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: My own private Idaho Posts: 2,090	We can neither understand the dark side of human nature nor reconcile it with the human being that we purport to know. We will always be left shaking our heads. May the victims rest in peace and the survivors find solace. __________________ Happy holidays!

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kokonut Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,681	Bush and wife visit wounded Ft. Hood soldiers No photo-ops. No staging. No shout outs. Just a quiet and respectful visit to the injured soldiers from the Ft. Hood killing spree. George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers - cbs11tv.com God bless the troops.

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*Calvin* Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 3,694	Mod note: Two threads has been merged. __________________

11-07-2009, 07:14 PM	#52 (permalink)
Foxrac DOMESTIC DISSENT HUNTER Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 18,158	Does US military has anti-discrmination law against on religious harassment? __________________

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11-06-2009, 10:48 PM	#35 (permalink)
Reba Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20,799	If Hasan stays in a coma indefinitely he can't be tried. That means, he will stay in the care of the government who will have to pay his extensive medical bills for possibly years.

11-07-2009, 06:04 PM	#50 (permalink)
sequoias Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: A little trip to the extraordinary. Posts: 16,295	Sad that people go postal and kill innocent lives....stupid people can't keep their temper under control.

11-07-2009, 09:01 PM	#55 (permalink)
Berry Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oroville, Ca. Posts: 698	let me see here. He is a psychiatrist. He went berserk. I wonder what his patients are going through right now? __________________ . Living life in the sandbox.

11-08-2009, 08:20 AM	#59 (permalink)
ASLGAL Here's Your Sign ;-D Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 708	I can find nothing good to say or valid reasoning for this terrorists actions or his attack. __________________ "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" ~ Edmund Burke~ "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" ~ Socrates ~

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