WWIII has begin?

[Steinhauer]

What if any country attacked the USA in the same manner? What would you expect?

we will invade their country and topple their government. (Like the last two that tried).

 

[Jiro]

Who says it's necessary to wipe the country off the map? There's a wide range of military options between doing nothing and wiping a country off the map.

when you wipe out the government, you wipe out the country. I pray that we won't have another Afghanistan/Iraq situation.

Remember - majority of NK people really do have an extreme view of the world and South Korea. They truly think we are the merciless enemy out there to kill them. They believe we are the cause of their poverty and starvation. They have been indoctrinated about it for decades.

also... it is not easy to take out NK's weapons since they're deeply buried in mountains. The Korean peninsula is extremely mountainous. It makes Afghanistan mountain looks like a beginner's training ground for rock climber. The only effective way to take it out is to resort to heavy hitter... which will lead to a serious collateral damage.

NK citizens will believe we are invading them and they - both men and women - will defend their country against tyranny (us from their viewpoint).

 

[Jiro]

yep, one would be to bomb their illegal nuke plant.

that would be seriously reckless and foolish. it's not like a nuke plant can produce several nuclear bombs per day. Beside - I have heard that USA/SK do have a joint military operation to raid and secure the nuke power plants in case of war.

USA has the same procedure for Pakistan in case it has fallen to rogue military dictatorship.

Have you learned nothing from Iraq? If you destroy the infrastructure, we'll be stuck in foreign country for a long time. It's messy and costly. Secure the nuke plant and convert it into nuclear power plant for NK. It's cheaper and cleaner that way. You will win NK's hearts and minds easily that way.

 

[Jiro]

What if any country attacked the USA in the same manner? What would you expect?

how's Afghanistan and Iraq going? find any WMD or Osama bin Laden yet?

 

[Reba]

when you wipe out the government, you wipe out the country. I pray that we won't have another Afghanistan/Iraq situation.

It's not the same situation, and I doubt that it would be handled the same way.

In WWII, governments were wiped out but the countries were not wiped out. In fact, our country helped rebuild them better than ever.

Remember - majority of NK people really do have an extreme view of the world and South Korea. They truly think we are the merciless enemy out there to kill them. They believe we are the cause of their poverty and starvation. They have been indoctrinated about it for decades.

That doesn't excuse the actions of their government and military.

also... it is not easy to take out NK's weapons since they're deeply buried in mountains. The Korean peninsula is extremely mountainous. It makes Afghanistan mountain looks like a beginner's training ground for rock climber. The only effective way to take it out is to resort to heavy hitter... which will lead to a serious collateral damage.

We certainly don't want a land war with them again. We suffered way too many casualties with that kind of combat.

NK citizens will believe we are invading them and they - both men and women - will defend their country against tyranny (us from their viewpoint).

That may be but that doesn't mean it's OK for the North to attack the South without repercussions.

 

[Steinhauer]

that would be seriously reckless and foolish. it's not like a nuke plant can produce several nuclear bombs per day. Beside - I have heard that USA/SK do have a joint military operation to raid and secure the nuke power plants in case of war.

USA has the same procedure for Pakistan in case it has fallen to rogue military dictatorship.

Have you learned nothing from Iraq? If you destroy the infrastructure, we'll be stuck in foreign country for a long time. It's messy and costly. Secure the nuke plant and convert it into nuclear power plant for NK. It's cheaper and cleaner that way. You will win NK's hearts and minds easily that way.

Israel did it to Iran.... twice.

We have stealth bombers ... lets get some use out those tax payer dollars.

 

[Jiro]

It's not the same situation, and I doubt that it would be handled the same way.

In WWII, governments were wiped out but the countries were not wiped out. In fact, our country helped rebuild them better than ever.

yes we did help out but it's actually Europeans helping out each other.

That doesn't excuse the actions of their government and military.

just stating the complicated reality.

We certainly don't want a land war with them again. We suffered way too many casualties with that kind of combat.

That may be but that doesn't mean it's OK for the North to attack the South without repercussions.

well - the North hasn't attacked the mainland yet. We came close this time... My father's in Seoul. So are rest of my families.

 

[Reba]

how's Afghanistan and Iraq going? find any WMD or Osama bin Laden yet?

Are you saying that because there were no WMD, or bin Laden is still on the loose, that we should have just sighed, shrugged, and said, "oh,well" after 9/11?

 

[Jiro]

Israel did it to Iran.... twice.

um... "Nuclear Research Center"..... not a nuclear power plant that manufactures nuclear weapon.

What Israel did was stupid. If they did it again, I pray USA will cut off any military assistance for Israel.

 

[Jiro]

Are you saying that because there were no WMD, or bin Laden is still on the loose, that we should have just sighed, shrugged, and said, "oh,well" after 9/11?

what we should done is exercising with extreme restraint. Look at what our knee-jerk retaliation brought us. Do we want same for South Korea?

 

[Reba]

that would be seriously reckless and foolish. it's not like a nuke plant can produce several nuclear bombs per day. Beside - I have heard that USA/SK do have a joint military operation to raid and secure the nuke power plants in case of war.

From whom did you hear that?

USA has the same procedure for Pakistan in case it has fallen to rogue military dictatorship.

What same procedure?

...Secure the nuke plant and convert it into nuclear power plant for NK. It's cheaper and cleaner that way. You will win NK's hearts and minds easily that way.

Oh, I'm sure that would win their hearts and minds. :roll:

I'm equally sure that the N. Koreans would allow that to happen.

Not.

 

[Jiro]

From whom did you hear that?

What same procedure?

Elite US troops ready to combat Pakistani nuclear hijacks - Times Online

Oh, I'm sure that would win their hearts and minds. :roll:

I'm equally sure that the N. Koreans would allow that to happen.

Not.

so I guess our effort in Afghanistan and Iraq went futile.

 

[Reba]

what we should done is exercising with extreme restraint. Look at what our knee-jerk retaliation brought us. Do we want same for South Korea?

I think we and S. Korea have restrained ourselves beyond reason so far.

 

[Jiro]

I think we and S. Korea have restrained ourselves beyond reason so far.

keep it up. our restraint will buckle their regime. Why reinforce NK propaganda that motivates their soldiers to fight?

 

[Steinhauer]

um... "Nuclear Research Center"..... not a nuclear power plant that manufactures nuclear weapon.

What Israel did was stupid. If they did it again, I pray USA will cut off any military assistance for Israel.

if they didn't do it, we would have.

 

[Reba]

Elite US troops ready to combat Pakistani nuclear hijacks - Times Online

Is this what you refer to?

"The US army is training a crack unit to seal off and snatch back Pakistani nuclear weapons in the event that militants, possibly from inside the country’s security apparatus, get their hands on a nuclear device or materials that could make one.

The specialised unit would be charged with recovering the nuclear materials and securing them."

Where is the attribution? Who said that? Did the reporter just make it up?

so I guess our effort in Afghanistan and Iraq went futile.

I'm trying to figure out the connection you're attempting to make.

Futile in what sense for each country?

 

[Reba]

keep it up. our restraint will buckle their regime. Why reinforce NK propaganda that motivates their soldiers to fight?

We've been restrained for over 50 years, and I don't seen their regime buckling.

Whatever we do or don't do, their propaganda will use it for their purposes.

 

[Jiro]

if they didn't do it, we would have.

no we didn't. we scolded Israel.

 

[Jiro]

We've been restrained for over 50 years, and I don't seen their regime buckling.

Whatever we do or don't do, their propaganda will use it for their purposes.

you know this... how?

 

[Reba]

you know this... how?

The cease fire period--have we attacked N. Korea yet?

Or are you referring to the propaganda?

Do you understand the nature and methods of propaganda?