Two companies, post Obamacare, taxed in amount of 1/4 billion dollars

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Obamanocare hits Caterpillar:

Caterpillar Inc. said Wednesday it will take a $100 million charge to earnings this quarter to reflect additional taxes stemming from newly enacted U.S. health-care legislation.

The world’s largest construction equipment manufacturer by sales, warned last week that provisions in the legislation would subject the company to federal income taxes on the subsidies it receives for providing prescription drug benefits for its retirees and their spouses. …

The charge is expected to be a one-time cost, but Caterpillar has argued that higher taxes and other potential cost increases related to insurance coverage mandates in the legislation will hinder the company’s recovery this year after a 75% plunge in income during 2009.
Health Care Law Hits Caterpillar Tax Bill - WSJ.com

Two companies alone will dole out a quarter of a billion dollars in taxes alone. Just two companies.

And John Deere:

Farm equipment maker Deere expects after-tax expenses to rise by $150 million this year as a result of the health care reform law President Barack Obama signed this week.

Most of the higher expense will come in Deere’s [DE 60.94 0.45 (+0.74%) ] second quarter, the company said on Thursday. The expense was not included in the company’s earlier 2010 forecast, which called for net income of about $1.3 billion. …

The law could raise expenses for large U.S. employers. Industrial companies, which typically have large numbers of retirees, may be among those facing the biggest bill. Caterpillar had argued before the legislation passed that health reform would put it at a disadvantage against global competitors.
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This means more job loss, inability to expand and create new jobs, puts a serious crimp on retirement income and the increased risk of them moving their companies overseas. These actions will simply bleed the economy when the private sector needs help to create new jobs and opportunities. Obama certainly doesn't care.
 
Money or people's lives......

Greed or health.....

Wow....hard choice, eh?
 
Money or people's lives......

Greed or health.....

Wow....hard choice, eh?

How healthy will they be when they can't eat? Heat their home? Suffer the stress of mounting bills?

If it's such an easy choice they better hope they made the right one.
 
Obamanocare hits Caterpillar:


Health Care Law Hits Caterpillar Tax Bill - WSJ.com

Two companies alone will dole out a quarter of a billion dollars in taxes alone. Just two companies.

And John Deere:


News Headlines

This means more job loss, inability to expand and create new jobs, puts a serious crimp on retirement income and the increased risk of them moving their companies overseas. These actions will simply bleed the economy when the private sector needs help to create new jobs and opportunities. Obama certainly doesn't care.

If this is true,

John Deere and Caterpiller are both customers to the company I used to work at. That company has had to lay off 3 / 4 of it's workers, including me, just to cut back on costs during the drop in economy.

They just now started taking people back and now this. This company is one of the best places to work with very good benefits, and it is the company that helps my town thrive, the majority of the workers are either from my town or from the town over which has its sister company.

In the last 5 months I have been watching families, and friends leave because there are no jobs available. Houses put up for sale, car's returned, and recreational vehicles. My father was one of the workers, he had to sell his camper, his car, and his truck. (He couldn't part with his boat, he needs it because it's good stress relief for him, just to drift on the lake and fish.)

John Deere is a major company that provides agricultural machines for many purposes, one is for turning, Harvesting, and plowing fields in Iowa. You look in Iowa and you will see John Deere all over in the fields.

Caterpiller provides earth movers. They help with building, paving roads, digging, bulldozing, and you name it.

If those two companies shut down, due to being unable to keep up with the costs, then the company that helps my town thrive is going to shut down, and thousands of workers are going to be without a job.

:sadwave:
 
Money or people's lives......

Greed or health.....

Wow....hard choice, eh?

Please take note of my previous thread and think about what happens when a company shuts down.

People will be without jobs, without healthcare. They will have to be placed under medicaid or medicare since they would be considered low income.

One thing I do wonder is if this bill included FUTURE recipients of Medicaid or Medicare, or just the people that needed it now.

Because if the figure only is the number of people without healthcare NOW, then they have some revising to do, for sure the dollar amount they projected to have by a certain year would be higher.
 
Please take note of my previous thread and think about what happens when a company shuts down.

People will be without jobs, without healthcare. They will have to be placed under medicaid or medicare since they would be considered low income.

One thing I do wonder is if this bill included FUTURE recipients of Medicaid or Medicare, or just the people that needed it now.

Because if the figure only is the number of people without healthcare NOW, then they have some revising to do, for sure the dollar amount they projected to have by a certain year would be higher.

Dgirl .. bless your heart :aw:

You seem like a very sweet soul and thank you for trying to explain the situation to those who have been "shocked and awed" into believing otherwise.
 
Interesting. I will have to ask my brother about this. He works for CAT. He told me that his company had already laid off 20,000 jobs last year.
 
Also, he said that winter seasons are always slow, so they have to cut their hours to 4 days. That's one of the reasons he had to get a second job.
 
Before the Obamacare, Caterpillar had $100 million extra in the bank enough for 2,500 jobs at $40,000/yr and John Deere had $150 million extra in the bank enough for 3,700 jobs at $40,000/yr. But after Obamacare? How can they hire more people now if the economy starts to pick up? They'll have to lay off more people. If you haven't noticed or realized by now is that Obamacare is a business killer. I'd rather have a job that gives me a house, money to feed my family, a car and a little something on the side to enjoy than worry about insurance. Now it's no house, no car, less security, more welfare dependency, more stress on the family, stress on family and kids, etc...

Thanks Obama.

Thanks Congress.

Thanks to the people who voted for Obama.

Class act all around.
 
Also, he said that winter seasons are always slow, so they have to cut their hours to 4 days. That's one of the reasons he had to get a second job.

And the summer seasons are kicked into high gear.

Right?
 
How the Healthcare Reform Bill May Affect the Docs | Physicians News

Take note also of the commenters below the blog/article. This is from August of last year.

Yes, I know...it is just a blog...big deal.....

....you tell that to the commentors....

So please keep an open mind and read their views....

How the Healthcare Reform Bill May Affect the Docs
3 August 2009 25 Comments


By Alan Lyndon


President Obama’s efforts for massive healthcare reform endured a predictable setback in July. With so many moving parts, Obama’s chances of fast-tracking reform before the August recess were small. For physicians, the meat of the bill is being buried in the press coverage and appeals to voters.

In late July, the president went live on primetime for the fourth time in his six months in office – this time in an attempt for one last push to the public and to Congress to pass healthcare legislation prior to a self-imposed August 7 deadline.

“As we rescue this economy from a full-blown crisis, we must rebuild it stronger than before,” said President Obama. “And health insurance reform is central to that effort.”

According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health policy group, spending on health care totals about $2.5 trillion, 17.5 percent of our gross domestic product, which is a measure of the value of all goods and services produced in the United States. That’s up from 13.8 percent of GDP in 2000 and 5.2 percent in 1960, when health spending totaled just $27.5 billion – barely 1 percent of today’s level.

Health care has been “one of the few engines of job growth during the recession,” said Drew Altman, president of the Kaiser Foundation. Employment in the huge health care sector has grown by about 427,000 jobs – nearly 3 percent – since the recession began in December 2007, according to the most recent U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics figures.

In his July address, President Obama slightly altered his emphasis from an all-encompassing overhaul of the healthcare system to a push for “health insurance reform.” Of the four major components of the healthcare system – physicians, patients, hospitals and insurance companies – Obama began to redirect his message by placing the spotlight on the insurance companies.

“I realize that with all the charges and criticisms being thrown around in Washington, many Americans may be wondering, ‘What’s in this for me?’” Obama asked.

The more important question, for our purposes, is how will America’s Affordable Health Choices Act (H.R. 3200) affect physicians and their practices? To paraphrase the president, “What’s in it for you, the doctors?”

The bill is over 1,000 pages long and contains many proposals with few details. Thomas Miller, resident fellow of the American Enterprise Institute and former senior health economist for the Joint Economic Committee, suggested that such a complicated bill would be more difficult to pass through Congress. “The most dangerous parts of the bill are the embedded regulations to come,” said Miller in reference to the lack of detail and ability to change the bill after passage.

The full text of the bill can be read here.

Following are the major proposals included the H.R. 3200 that will most directly affect physicians and hospitals:

PROMOTING ACCOUNTABLE CARE ORGANIZATIONS

An “accountable care organization” is an organized group of physicians who are rewarded for providing high quality care at low cost over a sustained period of time. Section 1301 directs the Secretary to establish a comprehensive ACO pilot program and authorizes the continued expansion of the program where it proves successful in improving quality and keeping costs under control.

PROMOTING PAYMENT BUNDLING

Hospital and physician incentives can be restructured by paying a lump sum for an episode of care (“bundling” payments), rather than paying separately for each service provided. Section 1152 directs the Secretary to establish pilot programs to test the effectiveness of payment bundling across the nation in a wide array of formats so we can learn the best way to bundle payments to encourage efficiency and ensure quality.

REDUCING HOSPITAL READMISSIONS

Section 1151 uses new financial incentives to encourage hospitals and post-acute providers to undertake reforms needed to reduce preventable readmissions, which will improve care for beneficiaries and rein in unnecessary health care spending.

REWARDING HIGH-QUALITY AND EFFICIENT CARE

Section 1162 provides for increased payments to Medicare Advantage plans that demonstrate high quality of care and outcomes and plans that significantly improve quality. Section 1123 increases Medicare rates by 5% in the areas of the country that provide the most efficient care.

PROMOTING THE “MEDICAL HOME” MODEL

Section 1302 directs the Secretary to establish a pilot program to reward physicians and nurse practitioners who make their offices a “medical home” for patients by being fully available to patients and by ensuring that patient care is coordinated and comprehensive. The Secretary is authorized to expand the medical home concept if it proves effective in improving quality of care and holding down costs.

PROMOTING “SHARED DECISIONMAKING”

There is evidence that providing patients with more information about the risk and benefits of treatment options can help keep health care costs down and ensures that patients are fully involved in the care they receive. Section 1235 directs the Secretary to establish a demonstration program to evaluate the benefits of having doctors spend more time consulting with their patients about various treatment options.

PROMOTING PRIMARY CARE

Primary care providers can provide lower cost and higher quality care for many ailments. Section 1303 increases payment rates for primary care physicians by 5% and provides an additional 5% payment increase for primary care physicians in health shortage areas. Section 1121 provides for preferential updates for payment rates for primary care services in Medicare. Section 2212 expands scholarships and section 2211 creates a new loan repayment program to train more primary care physicians. Section 2201 builds on current expansions to the National Health Service Corps to get more physicians to health shortage areas, and this expansion in the Corps could eliminate 40% of the current estimated deficit in primary care providers. Sections 1501 and 1502 encourage more training of primary care medical residents and advance training in the outpatient setting, where most primary care is delivered.

DISCLOSING FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIPS

Section 1451 reflects MedPAC (Medicare Payment Advisory Commission) recommendations that all manufacturers of drugs and devices should report their financial relationships with health entities, including physicians, pharmacies, hospitals, and other organizations. MedPAC has concluded that such relationships can create conflicts, which lead to increased spending and suboptimal patient care.

UPDATED PAYMENT RATES

MedPAC has identified areas of overpayment to skilled nursing facilities, inpatient rehabilitation facilities, and home health care providers. Sections 1101, 1102, and 1154 adopt these payment changes to ensure we are spending taxpayer dollars appropriately. Sections 1103, 1131 and 1155 embrace the President’s recommendation to adjust payments so that providers are encouraged to increased productivity in how they deliver health care.

HEALTHCARE ASSOCIATED INFECTIONS

Section 1461 requires that hospitals and ambulatory surgical centers report public health information on healthcare associated infections to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Section 1751 expands to Medicaid the current Medicare policy of denying payment for certain healthcare associated infections.

MORE AND BETTER HEALTH CARE DATA

The transition to a more efficient, higher-quality health care system begins with getting more data about the clinical effectiveness of medical procedures. Section 1401 invests $2.9 billion in comparative effectiveness research. Sections 1124, and 1441, 1443, 1444 and 1145 expand physician and hospital reporting of quality measures. Section 2531 creates a registry to track the use of medical devices. Section 1442 directs the Secretary to develop improved measures of health care quality. Section 2402 creates the Assistant Secretary for Health Information to provide for ongoing monitoring and reporting on critical population health data.

DEVELOPING NEW INNOVATIVE PRACTICES TO IMPROVE QUALITY

Measurement of quality is only useful if there are levers for change. Section 2401 creates the Center for Quality Improvement at the Agency for Healthcare Quality and Research in order to identify existing best practices, develop new best practices, and disseminate successful models around the country.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/708256

Above link lists pro's and con's on how this will affect physicans.

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Get the facts about the stability and security you get from health insurance reform | The White House

Above link from the White House

http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8023-R.pdf

Above link in PDF format from the Kiaser Family Foundation:

Summary of Coverage Provisions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
 
And the summer seasons are kicked into high gear.

Right?

Yes, he told me a few weeks ago everything is normal now- 5-6 days. He works in lab, but he will keep his second job for a long while.
 
Please take note of my previous thread and think about what happens when a company shuts down.

People will be without jobs, without healthcare. They will have to be placed under medicaid or medicare since they would be considered low income.

One thing I do wonder is if this bill included FUTURE recipients of Medicaid or Medicare, or just the people that needed it now.

Because if the figure only is the number of people without healthcare NOW, then they have some revising to do, for sure the dollar amount they projected to have by a certain year would be higher.

Yes, it does account for future recipients. It is already recognized that when the criteria change, the number of recipients change as well.
 
Wah, wah, wah.:roll: Poor wittle CEO might not get his million dollar bonus next year.

But little Joey will be able to get the health care necessary to manage his chronic health problem.

Wouldn't matter if Little Joey got a heart problem or not when his dad is out of a job. :)
 
Wah, wah, wah.:roll: Poor wittle CEO might not get his million dollar bonus next year.

But little Joey will be able to get the health care necessary to manage his chronic health problem.

That's right. Awesome, isn't it? :)
 
That's right. Awesome, isn't it? :)

It was always a great Idea for children......Hence. CHIP. Too bad many poor don't have enough brains to look. Then there are the folks making $60.000 a year who choose amenities over insurance. :shrug:
 
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