Shots Fired at National Holocaust Museum in D.C.


This isn't some fake, manufactured outrage over a couple of words here but about the most embarrassingly shoddy pieces of propaganda I’d ever read out of DHS. I couldn’t believe it was real. You see, past reports were quite specific in identifying exact groups, causes, and targets of domestic terrorism, like the ALF, ELF, and Stop Huntingdon wackos who have engaged in physical harassment, arson, vandalism, and attacks against pharmaceutical companies, farms, labs, university researchers and such. This recent report is clearly a sweeping indictment of conservatives. They don't have to say the word but it's apparently clear. And the intent is clear as well. Thus "it's badly done intel, when you uncritically incorporate advocacy masquerading as analysis."

Jonah Goldberg makes a good case why.
Re: Not a Big Deal? - Jonah Goldberg - The Corner on National Review Online
 
Kokonut,

DHS could NOT pinpoint certain people of certain movements and that's EXACTLY the point.

Just now, we have a lone gunman killing a guard at the museum. There was NO way DHS could predict WHO will actually snap out. DHS was merely assessing that those people who hold extreme views will likely to be agitated by the election of a BLACK president with LIBERAL views and snap out.

Lone killers are often loners with pathetic lives who are "damaged" from .. probably bad childhood or the trauma of war ... and tend to subscribe to SEVERAL movements.

Therefore the "generic" description and a very accurate assessment. Napolitano should have NOT apologized but yeah... you people whined and wanted some kind of vindication... only that you're totally WRONG!

The threat is REAL. Pittsburg shooting, Kansas shooting, and now the Museum killing.

GOP was demanding Napolitano to resign - now she should lash back and tell them, "Told ya!"

Excerpt from the DHS report:

"DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity. Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years. In addition, the historical election of an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization."

You agree, yes or no?
 
Er, the 2001 report were more specific about groups and even "loners" in their 2001 report on leftist extremisms rather than make sweeping statements. No wonder Napolitano had to apologize to veterans for that DHS report for making such sweeping accusations against them.

Domestic groups and state-sponsored cells and individuals have continued their espionage activities and the planning of terrorist actions against the U.S. government. Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially designated acts of terrorism in America in the 1980s. From an international perspective, of the 13,858 people who died between 1988 and 1998 in attacks committed by the 10 most active terrorist groups in the world, 74 percent were killed by leftist organizations.


Left-wing extremism continues, indeed, to be a potential threat to U.S. government agencies. The challenge in responding to this threat is to ensure that the rights of individuals to form and express their own beliefs are balanced with the need to provide security and protection against terrorism and espionage that may be committed by the most extreme members of these movements.

But take heart, socialism is growing in the United States with thanks to a president who got his foot in the door. Does the Communist Party of the U.S.A. now have a friend in the White House?

The Communist Party of the U.S.A. continues to invite others to help in the “fight for a Socialist U.S.A.” (Communist Party of the U.S.A, 1999). The organization outlines six program basics to create a socialist nation in the United States and is supported by 27 district offices across the country. In addition, its Web site offers links to communist parties in 27 other countries and to a number of groups including the Basque Solidarity site, Farabundo Marti para le Liberacion Nacional or FMLN (an El Salvador leftist guerrilla group), National Democratic Front of the Philippines, and the Zapatistas of Mexico.

LEFT-WING EXTREMISM: The Current Threat, April 2001.
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

Whatever the case extremism on both ends when they attack, hurt or kill innocent human beings on purpose for a political view or other reasons in the effort to wholly eradicate those people is unjustified and unwarranted. One nut job does not represent a whole group which is what I'm detecting here.
 
Excerpt from the DHS report:

"DHS/I&A assesses that a number of economic and political factors are driving a resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization activity. Despite similarities to the climate of the 1990s, the threat posed by lone wolves and small terrorist cells is more pronounced than in past years. In addition, the historical election of an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization."

You agree, yes or no?

No doubt that extremism groups and individuals exist and do pose a danger to any sitting president in office. Ronald Reagan was shot. So was JFK. It's the broad labeling of an ethnic group ior other kinds (i.e. veterans) n the report that is the issue at heart. In contrast, the 2001 report was more specific and was careful not to label broadly about groups. DHS failed in that respect. It lacks specificity. And looks more like a propagranda report than not.

Now, can you tell me who, specifically, in the report that are part of the “rightwing extremist groups” based on chatter and/or other intel that warranted the broad labeling. Include also “anti-government” groups that are supposedly being monitored as “extremists” right now, can you point them out in the report the specifics on which group the report is talking about aside from "loners" and such? :cool2:
 
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hence..... DOMESTIC DISSENTS!
 
updates:

Shooting at US Holocaust museum
BBC NEWS | Americas | Shooting at US Holocaust museum

A gunman armed with a rifle has shot and killed a guard inside Washington DC's Holocaust museum before being wounded in turn, city police say.

The guard died of his injuries and the gunman is in critical condition, officials said after the incident which sowed panic among visitors.

Reports say the gunman is an American aged 88 with white supremacist links.

Thirty million people have visited the museum, located on the National Mall, since it opened in 1993.

Roads surrounding the museum have been closed.

A third person was hurt by broken glass, a fire official said.

Israel's embassy in Washington condemned the attack on the museum, saying it was "shocked and saddened".

US President Barack Obama was "saddened" by the incident, the White House said, adding that it "reminds us that we must remain vigilant against anti-Semitism and prejudice in all its forms".

Suspect named

The dead security guard was named as Stephen Tyrone Johns, who had worked at the museum for six years and "died in the line of duty", the museum said.

Joseph Persichini, assistant director in charge of the Washington FBI field office, said the shootings were being investigated as a possible hate crime or a case of domestic terrorism.

Law enforcement officias have identified the suspect as James von Brunn.

Federal agents have been dispatched to his home in Annapolis, Maryland, to check his computer.

Metropolitan Police Chief Kathy Lanier said the gunman appeared to have acted alone.

He was "engaged by security guards immediately after entering the door" with a rifle, she said.

Earlier, Police Sergeant David Schlosser said the gunman had walked into the building carrying "a long gun".

"[He] fired at one of the security officers..." he told reporters.

"My understanding is that two other security officers at the museum returned gunfire at the man that had entered the museum."

A law enforcement official quoted by AP said Mr Von Brunn's vehicle had been found near the museum and was being tested for explosives.

AP's sources said the weapon used by the suspect was a .22-calibre rifle.

Mr Von Brunn has long been tied to extremist groups and served a prison sentence for taking a sawn-off shotgun, revolver and knife into Washington's Federal Reserve in 1981, when the board was meeting.

He has a racist, anti-Semitic website and has written a book about the "destruction of the White Race".

'Screaming and ducking'

The museum was crowded with schoolchildren and other tourists at the time of the attack but all escaped injury.

One eyewitness, Angela Andelson, 22, told AFP news agency: "I heard a shot and though it was sort of a loud, like someone had dropped something.

"And I see all these security guards kind of like ducking. I kind of glanced again and saw a gunman coming in... a long-looking kind of gun. I just ran in to one of the exhibits to try to take cover.

"I heard the first one. When I turned and looked there were maybe two to four more shots that I heard. People were screaming and ducking down getting on the floor, getting under benches."

The museum normally has a heavy security presence with guards positioned both inside and outside.

All visitors are required to pass through metal detectors at the entrance, and bags are screened.

The museum has been threatened by anti-Semitic extremists before but staff say it will reopen as normal on Thursday.
 
I just saw this on the news just now, and the slain guard's young son was on the news as well, he spoke on the news about losing his father and his eyes looked real sad. I think he is about 10 years old or so, they did not say what his age is, but no kid should ever lose a parent, especially like that. All this makes me feel real sad, and my heart goes out to the slain guard and his entire family, especially the son. I don't know if the slain guard has any other children, the news did not say, though. What a horrible tragedy. :(
 
Scary. I never would have thought of someone shooting at a museum, but I guess you have speculated that sooner or later a white supremacist was going open attack the American Holocaust Museum.

I have no idea where these radicals get the idea that the Holocaust never existed. It did exist! Anyone in their right mind and old enough to understand can tell you exactly what the Holocaust was and its purpose was. Adolf Hitler was hellbent to create a 'pure Aryan race' at the expense of millions of innocent Jews, including women and children, as well as people deemed inferior such as those who were disabled or mentally retarded.

Yeah, I agree with you. There's just too much evidence of the Holocaust that you cannot ever honestly deny that it happened. The death camps are empty but still there. Some camps are now historical sites and people do visit them to see what the Holocaust victims went through. There are still pictures, old uniforms that have not been destroyed yet that Holocaust victims were forced to wear along with badges or patches of different colors (like the pink triangle for the gay victims) that specifies what they are (such as Jewish, gay, disabled, or whatever the Nazis considered "inferior" and not perfect) and the survivors of the Holocaust still have the serial numbers tattooed on their arms and many lived to tell their stories. Only a very few are still alive today as it was so long time ago. Hitler was of course in the media and was VERY well known for his intent to kill everyone he considered not perfect and deemed inferior, he was known all over the world during WWII and Nazi Germany. He and the Nazis killed 6 million Jews along with many more millions of others he considered inferior. Elderly, disabled, deaf, not white, women and children, whatever he considers not "Aryan". I saw a very horrifying film about the Holocaust called "Night and Fog" (don't watch this if you have a weak stomach! - I was required to watch it during my Film Studies class back in college and I and my poor terp almost lost our dinners! - in fact I had to cover my eyes for most of the film, it was just too horrifying - I eventually had to withdraw from this class pretty fast because of the nature of all the films that was being shown - I could not handle it anymore) and it showed in very graphic details of what actual equipment was used to torture and kill the victims during the Holocaust and what kind of equipment was used - even beyond the gas chambers and the ovens - even far more horrifying, in fact I won't even say what was used - I don't want to cause anyone here on AD to have nightmares! If you really want to know you can google the Holocaust and you will learn all about it on your own terms. And there is the diary of Anne Frank, which I read. That girl unfortunately did not make it out of the death camp, but her father managed to survive to tell his story and also had her diary published. I also saw a picture of her father from while he was in a concentration camp, and he was so skinny you could see his ribs and other bones! Many, many, many pictures were taken during and after the Holocaust documenting what occurred and what things looked like and whatnot. It's completely impossible to honestly deny that the Holocaust ever happened. That bastard who claimed the Holocaust never happened needs to go visit Austria or Germany and visit the camps there and see the ovens and the gas chambers and the other horrifying equipment that was used to torture and kill the Holocaust victims, and the conditions the camps were in, how the victims were terrorized, etc. He would change his tune once he's seen the camps and seen what was used to torture and kill the victims with if he has a heart, if he still believes that the Holocaust is a myth after seeing everything then he has no heart. It's just so horrifying. I really do not understand how the Holocaust could be considered a myth...there's just way too much evidence to deny it! My heart goes out to all the victims of the Holocaust. They deserve to be remembered and to be honored. They were completely innocent people who became victims at the hands of a dictator (via his Nazi soldiers' hands) who had so much hatred and were so hellbent on eradicating everyone who was not considered "Aryan" and also who was not considered perfect and making the entire world one Aryan race like he wanted.
 
I just saw this on the news just now, and the slain guard's young son was on the news as well, he spoke on the news about losing his father and his eyes looked real sad. I think he is about 10 years old or so, they did not say what his age is, but no kid should ever lose a parent, especially like that. All this makes me feel real sad, and my heart goes out to the slain guard and his entire family, especially the son. I don't know if the slain guard has any other children, the news did not say, though. What a horrible tragedy. :(

I agree, Lucia. My own son lost his father at the age of 6, and my heart went out to this young man. He will have a difficult time knowing how senseless his father's death was. I'm sure he will spend a good part of his life attempting to understand how another could be so filled with hatred and bigotry.
 
updates:

Von Brunn Charged In Holocaust Museum Slay
Von Brunn Charged In Holocaust Museum Slay - CBS News

James von Brunn, an 88-year-old with a violent and virulently anti-Semitic past, was formally charged with murder Thursday in the shooting death of a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C.

Von Brunn allegedly entered the museum Wednesday with a .22-caliber rifle and opened fire, police said. Guard Stephen Tyrone Johns was fatally shot in the exchange. Von Brunn was critically wounded when security guards returned fire and is currently hospitalized.

Von Brunn is also being charged with killing in the course of possessing a firearm in a federal facility, Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy L. Lanier said. The charges were announced at a Thursday press conference by Washington, D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and law enforcement officials.

Joseph Persichini, assistant director in charge of the Washington FBI field office, said the shootings were still being investigated as a possible hate crime or a case of domestic terrorism.

Officials are working with the Justice Department on potential future civil rights or hate crimes charges, Persichini said.

Persichini said the FBI was aware of von Brunn's anti-Semitic and racist activities but had no open investigation of him prior to the museum shooting.

Von Brunn is thought to have acted alone, Persichini said. Law enforcement agents have executed search at his Maryland home and his vehicle as well as interviewed relatives, authorities said. Von Brunn's cell phone and computer records are also being investigated.

Persichini said authorities found documents in von Brunn's vehicle with names on it. Earlier, it was reported that he was found in possession of a list of Capitol Hill lawmakers.

According to Lanier, Johns opened the museum door for von Brunn before the suspect opened fire. Von Brunn's vehicle was double-parked outside the building during the attack, she said.

Johns, 39, was a six-year veteran of the facility who lived in Temple Hills, Md. Museum Director Sara Bloomfield said he "died heroically in the line of duty."

At the White House, just blocks away from the museum, President Barack Obama said: "This outrageous act reminds us that we must remain vigilant against anti-Semitism and prejudice in all its forms. No American institution is more important to this effort than the Holocaust Museum, and no act of violence will diminish our determination to honor those who were lost by building a more peaceful and tolerant world."

Von Brunn has a racist, anti-Semitic Web site and wrote a book titled "Kill the Best Gentiles," alleging a Jewish conspiracy "to destroy the white gene pool." Writings attributed to von Brunn on the Internet say the Holocaust was a hoax. "At Auschwitz the 'Holocaust' myth became Reality, and Germany, cultural gem of the West, became a pariah among world nations," one says.

In 1983, he was convicted of attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board and served more than six years in prison. He was arrested two years earlier outside the room where the board was meeting, carrying a revolver, knife and sawed-off shotgun. At the time, police said von Brunn wanted to take the members hostage because of high interest rates and the nation's economic difficulties.

The museum, which opened in 1993 and has drawn nearly 30 million visitors, houses exhibits and records relating to the Holocaust of more than a half century ago in which more than 6 million Jews died at the hands of Nazis. Its Web site says the museum "teaches millions of people each year about the dangers of unchecked hatred and the need to prevent genocide."

The museum was crowded with schoolchildren and other tourists at the time of the attack, but they all escaped injury in the outburst of violence.

Ashley Camp, 14, of Forsyth, Ill., on a field trip with more than 40 other students, said she heard two or three gunshots. Soon after, she recalled, a security guard ordered the group to run to the exit.

"We had to sprint as fast as we could out the door," she said. "I thought it was the movie (part of a museum exhibit), but then everyone started screaming and running."

The attack was the third in a recent wave of unsettling shootings that appeared to have political or ethnic underpinnings.

A 23-year-old Army private, William Andrew Long, was shot and killed outside a recruiting office this month in Arkansas and a fellow soldier was wounded. The suspect, a Muslim convert, has said he considers the killing justified because of the U.S. military presence in the Middle East.

Late last month, abortion provider Dr. George Tiller was shot to death in his church.

Johns, the security guard killed Wednesday, was black.

Only last week, Obama visited the site of a German concentration camp at Buchenwald in Germany where he noted, "There are those who insist the Holocaust never happened." He added, "This place is the ultimate rebuke to such thoughts, a reminder of our duty to confront those who would tell lies about our history."

In a statement from Israel's government, Information and Diaspora Minister Yuli Edelstein said the shooting was "further proof that anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial have not passed from the world."

And the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a prominent American Muslim organization, said in a statement, "We condemn this apparent bias-motivated attack and stand with the Jewish community and with Americans of all faiths in repudiating the kind of hatred and intolerance that can lead to such disturbing incidents."

According to a relative, von Brunn attended Washington University in St. Louis and is an artist.

Navy records show von Brunn enlisted in 1942 as an apprentice seaman before accepting an appointment as a naval midshipmen in the volunteer reserves in March 1943. On his application for enlistment, the 21-year-old listed his reason for signing up as "patriotic." His records show he had language qualifications in both English and French after spending three years in college. He was discharged from the Navy in 1956.

A cousin, Virginia Gerker of St. Louis, said in an interview she hadn't seen him in 50 years. She said her family had "disowned" him and believed him to be mentally ill.

About a dozen years ago, he applied to have his art shown at a gallery in Easton, Md., according to two of the owners. Laura Era and Jennifer Wharton said they rejected his work and he stomped out.

Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center said von Brunn's Web site has long been listed as a hate site.

"We've been tracking this guy for decades," said Heidi Beirich, director of research for the law center's Intelligence Project, which tracks hate crimes. "He thinks the Jews control the Federal Reserve, the banking system, that basically all Jews are evil."

The Rev. David Ostendorf, executive director of the Center for a New Community in Chicago, a national civil rights group, said von Brunn has described in his own writings a long relationship with Willis Carto, founder of the Liberty Lobby, the Spotlight Newspaper and a well-known white supremacist and anti-Semite.
 
updates:

Holocaust museum shooting suspect to be charged with murder
Holocaust museum shooting suspect to be charged with murder - CNN.com

The suspected gunman in the fatal shooting of a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum will be charged with murder, authorities announced Thursday.

James von Brunn, an 88-year-old white supremacist known for racist and anti-Semitic writings, also will face charges of possession of a firearm at a federal facility, said Chief Cathy Lanier of the District of Columbia's Metropolitan Police Department.

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington remained closed Thursday, its flags lowered to half-staff in tribute to Stephen Tyrone Johns, the gunned-down security guard.

The Metropolitan Police Department; the D.C. office of the FBI; the U.S. attorney's office and other federal and local officials held a news conference to discuss charges against von Brunn, who lives in Maryland.

The gunman entered Washington's crowded and solemn Holocaust museum on Wednesday afternoon and shot security officer Johns. Other guards then shot and wounded the gunman, authorities said.

A six-year veteran of the museum's security staff, Johns later "died heroically in the line of duty," said Sara Bloomfield, director of the museum.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to Officer Johns' family," the museum said.

Von Brunn is a Holocaust denier, well-known to human rights groups for decades, who created an anti-Semitic Web site called "The Holy Western Empire." The Southern Poverty Law Center, which focuses on human rights, said von Brunn has "an extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists."

He has repeatedly claimed "The Diary of Anne Frank," an iconic diary written by a teenage girl who was hiding from Nazis with her family, was a hoax. The guard died on the day the museum was to stage a play based on Anne Frank and two days before what would have been her 80th birthday.

Investigators found a notebook in the suspect's car listing other locations in Washington that he might have considered as targets, a federal official told CNN.

Von Brunn entered the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum at 12:50 p.m. Wednesday and immediately shot Johns with a rifle, according to Lanier. Two other security guards returned fire, according to Lanier and the museum statement.

Sirens blared as emergency vehicles converged on the area, which is near the Washington Monument and other popular tourist attractions. The museum was full at the time, with a "couple of thousand" people inside, said William Parsons, chief of staff at the museum.

Von Brunn served six years in prison for trying in 1981 to kidnap Federal Reserve Board members because of high interest rates. He blamed his prison term on a "Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys" and "a Jew judge," he said on his Web site, "Holy Western Empire."

One of many questions is whether von Brunn, as a convicted felon, should have turned in his weapons or been barred from owning them.

The U.S. Park Police has asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to trace the firearm, an effort that is expected to provide its original sale and ownership.

An FBI official said there was no warning or threat against the museum.

Both Johns and von Brunn were taken to George Washington University Hospital, said D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty. Johns died at the hospital. Von Brunn was in critical condition, Fenty said.

Johns, 39, was a resident of Temple Hills, Maryland, according to a statement issued by Wackenhut Services Inc., which has provided security services at the museum since 2002.

"Obviously there are no words to express our grief and shock over the horrific event that took place at this museum today," Bloomfield, the museum director, said.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, said von Brunn has "an extremely long history with neo-Nazis and white supremacists." Discussion: Is the U.S. too tolerant of hatemongers? »

Witnesses to the shooting described blood on the floor and chaos within the museum's halls.

Visitor Maria Hernandez told CNN she heard five shots and saw the wounded security guard.

"It was definitely a security guard; he was down bleeding on the floor," said Hernandez, 19. "He was face down. His back ... blood was coming out." Watch Hernandez describe what she saw »

Sirens blared as emergency vehicles converged on the area, which is near the Washington Monument and other popular tourist attractions. The museum was full at the time, with a "couple of thousand" people inside, said William Parsons, chief of staff at the museum.

"Never take your guard force and security people for granted," he said. "They did exactly what they were supposed to do to protect people in the museum." Watch another museum visitor tell what he saw »

Dave Pearson, a sixth-grade teacher in the Washington area, said he was on the museum's fourth floor when he heard a loud noise.

"At the time, we're visiting and all of a sudden there's like a boom, and all of a sudden they told us to stop where we're at," he told CNN. "Only thing we heard was a boom, and that was it." See more photos from the scene »

The shooting sent shock waves throughout the nation's capital and elsewhere.

"I am shocked and saddened by today's shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum," said President Obama, who just days earlier had spoken emotionally about the Holocaust when he visited Buchenwald, a former Nazi concentration camp with Holocaust survivor and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel.

"This outrageous act reminds us that we must remain vigilant against anti-Semitism and prejudice in all its forms," Obama said Wednesday. "No American institution is more important to this effort than the Holocaust museum, and no act of violence will diminish our determination to honor those who were lost by building a more peaceful and tolerant world." Law enforcement analyst talks about how this could have happened »

Israel issued a statement through its embassy, expressing sadness and condemning the attack.

The Anti-Defamation League said the shooting "reminds us in the starkest way where the spread of hatred can lead."

Happening "at the very place that was created to remember and teach about evil in the world," the attack "is an immediate reminder that words of hate matter, that we can never afford to ignore hate because words of hate can easily become acts of hate, no matter the place, no matter the age of the hatemonger."

The Council on American-Islamic Relations condemned "this apparent bias-motivated attack" and said it stands "with the Jewish community and with Americans of all faiths in repudiating the kind of hatred and intolerance that can lead to such disturbing incidents." Watch a discussion of what fuels hate crimes »

The museum canceled a performance scheduled for Wednesday night of a play about racism and anti-Semitism, based on a fictional meeting between Anne Frank and Emmett Till, the teenage victim of a racist killing in the United States.

Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tennessee, were among those planning to attend the play, which was written by Janet Langhart Cohen, the wife of former Defense Secretary and U.S. Sen. William Cohen. Watch the Cohens describe what happened »

Langhart Cohen told CNN that Anne Frank's young life was ended by people filled with hate. She said it was hard to see that same hate manifest itself at this place of remembrance.
 
It's unbelievable. My friend and I were planning to make a trip there this weekend. Now I’m having a second thought.
 
It's unbelievable. My friend and I were planning to make a trip there this weekend. Now I’m having a second thought.

nah don't worry. it's still safe. just that you won't be able to go to that museum
 
I agree, Lucia. My own son lost his father at the age of 6, and my heart went out to this young man. He will have a difficult time knowing how senseless his father's death was. I'm sure he will spend a good part of his life attempting to understand how another could be so filled with hatred and bigotry.

Hopefully he will get some peace of mind knowing his father is a true hero. How many lives would have been lost had the gunman not been stopped. In his vehicle they found a list of other targets (including the Whitehouse). Even if he didn't get to those other targets, there were (I believe) thousands of visitors at the museum during the shooting. Had he not been stopped, his only limitation would have been the amount of ammunition he had with him.
It is sad the guard lost his life, but on the positive, he saved countless lives.

On a side note, I learned yesterday that the gunman lives only a few blocks from me and has quite a history.
 
It's unbelievable. My friend and I were planning to make a trip there this weekend. Now I’m having a second thought.

You should have a safe trip. Don't let this isolated incident deter you. Things like this could happen anywhere at anytime. It could have been your local McDonalds. You can also bet security will be beefed up so you are probably safer than ever.

Enjoy your trip to DC!
 
So sad. :( You can have your own beliefs and you can deny that the Hollocaust ever happened, but what's not acceptable is the fact that he went and attempted a enforcing his beliefs on other people and in the wrong way. So many idiots in this world. 88 or not, he's an idiot.
 
Yeah, I agree with you. There's just too much evidence of the Holocaust that you cannot ever honestly deny that it happened. The death camps are empty but still there. Some camps are now historical sites and people do visit them to see what the Holocaust victims went through. There are still pictures, old uniforms that have not been destroyed yet that Holocaust victims were forced to wear along with badges or patches of different colors (like the pink triangle for the gay victims) that specifies what they are (such as Jewish, gay, disabled, or whatever the Nazis considered "inferior" and not perfect) and the survivors of the Holocaust still have the serial numbers tattooed on their arms and many lived to tell their stories. Only a very few are still alive today as it was so long time ago. Hitler was of course in the media and was VERY well known for his intent to kill everyone he considered not perfect and deemed inferior, he was known all over the world during WWII and Nazi Germany. He and the Nazis killed 6 million Jews along with many more millions of others he considered inferior. Elderly, disabled, deaf, not white, women and children, whatever he considers not "Aryan". I saw a very horrifying film about the Holocaust called "Night and Fog" (don't watch this if you have a weak stomach! - I was required to watch it during my Film Studies class back in college and I and my poor terp almost lost our dinners! - in fact I had to cover my eyes for most of the film, it was just too horrifying - I eventually had to withdraw from this class pretty fast because of the nature of all the films that was being shown - I could not handle it anymore) and it showed in very graphic details of what actual equipment was used to torture and kill the victims during the Holocaust and what kind of equipment was used - even beyond the gas chambers and the ovens - even far more horrifying, in fact I won't even say what was used - I don't want to cause anyone here on AD to have nightmares! If you really want to know you can google the Holocaust and you will learn all about it on your own terms. And there is the diary of Anne Frank, which I read. That girl unfortunately did not make it out of the death camp, but her father managed to survive to tell his story and also had her diary published. I also saw a picture of her father from while he was in a concentration camp, and he was so skinny you could see his ribs and other bones! Many, many, many pictures were taken during and after the Holocaust documenting what occurred and what things looked like and whatnot. It's completely impossible to honestly deny that the Holocaust ever happened. That bastard who claimed the Holocaust never happened needs to go visit Austria or Germany and visit the camps there and see the ovens and the gas chambers and the other horrifying equipment that was used to torture and kill the Holocaust victims, and the conditions the camps were in, how the victims were terrorized, etc. He would change his tune once he's seen the camps and seen what was used to torture and kill the victims with if he has a heart, if he still believes that the Holocaust is a myth after seeing everything then he has no heart. It's just so horrifying. I really do not understand how the Holocaust could be considered a myth...there's just way too much evidence to deny it! My heart goes out to all the victims of the Holocaust. They deserve to be remembered and to be honored. They were completely innocent people who became victims at the hands of a dictator (via his Nazi soldiers' hands) who had so much hatred and were so hellbent on eradicating everyone who was not considered "Aryan" and also who was not considered perfect and making the entire world one Aryan race like he wanted.

I know I have read things about the Holocaust and watched countless documentaries. Many of the camps would conduct 'medical experiments' on these people, placing them in freezing water just to see how long they would stay alive.

There's also something that most people don't know. Towards the end of the war, there was a giant plane factory for the Germans under the Berlin Airport. There were Germans that volunteered or were assigned to work here churning out hundreds of planes a day, but what isn't said is that the majority of those working in this underground aircraft plant were Jews. They were chained to their stations often worked 12-15 hours a day building planes for Hitler's army against their will.
 
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