See this. It s a perfect example!

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I DISAGREE with you because Hearing aid and Cochlear Implant devices are the same behavior that is no solution. Thats how I see it that needs to be stopped destroy human beings.

CI is not making your life easier with their ATTITUDE as well.

Even though, Govt is willing to pay all Deaf children while the parents have the right to use Deaf child s social security income to pay CI.. OH please! Look out there there are many people who doesnt have any health insurance to take care of their health so what s your point? Thats horrible to keep people from having those pains with their cancer or any serious health while DEAFNESS is not A DISEASE. PERIOD!

Wasting all money that failed many Deaf children with CI that makes me sick. All money goes to DEAF EDUCATION not CI itself.

THOSE JUNKY DEVICES like HA , CI , I pod , and many other models that can damage your ears. So what s the point to damage more than ever?

I find this is very very outrageous to force and conform those Deaf children s Natural Abilities and Adaptation after all PEOPLE do not accept you from day one..

I feel like I am screaming it aloud..:pissed:

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you're not talking logical at all.. I hate extremism

THOSE JUNKY DEVICES like HA , CI , I pod , and many other models that can damage your ears. So what s the point to damage more than ever?

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Wow, it seems to me that someody doesn't see the real truth is out there. Denials is the huge problem that is I am so struggling with people with audist attitude.
 
Medical 'Miracles' Not Supported by Evidence
By Benjamin Radford

posted: 29 July 2006
10:45 am ET

The phrase "medical miracle" is a newsroom cliche. It means a situation in which a person makes an unexpected recovery despite great odds or a pessimistic prognosis.

Yet often the phrase is used much more broadly to describe a seemingly supernatural or paranormal healing or curing event such as faith healing. While to many people it may seem obvious that a miracle has occurred, in reality such miracles are rarely as impressive as they seem.

A recent segment on the popular ABC newsmagazine Primetime shows a good example.

A Canadian teenager named Adam Dreamhealer claims to cure cancer, coax the comatose to consciousness, and drive out infection. He has written books, sells DVDs, and offers seminars. Dreamhealer says he can heal people using his hands, mind, and mystical energies. Those who tout his powers include celebrities such as astronaut Edgar Mitchell and musician Ronnie Hawkins.

No good evidence

Many people continue to believe in miracle cures despite no good evidence that they occurred. When modern medicine fails to heal, many desperate people turn to unproven or "alternative" healers. What is the evidence that he can actually heal people?

Many of the miraculous "healings" attributed to Dreamhealer seem to be simply the result of misunderstandings, poor logic, errors in critical thinking, and the common uncertainty of medical knowledge. For example, one woman identified as Debbie believes that Dreamhealer saved her fiance's life. Her fiance Trevor was severely wounded in Afghanistan, and Debbie was told that Trevor probably would not recover from his comatose state. Debbie says she was convinced the doctors were wrong, and when she heard about Dreamhealer's self-proclaimed powers, she asked him to heal Trevor from a distance.

Over the next few weeks, Trevor did indeed begin to gain consciousness, an improvement that Debbie took as proof of Dreamhealer's powers. "The doctors said that he wouldn't recover, so to me, that's a miracle," Debbie said. "It's a miracle that he's still alive." Yet of course medicine is not an exact science; doctors can only go by the patient's condition at the time of the evaluation, which may change at any moment. Patients may get better or worse for any number of reasons. Doctors' prognoses are often at least partially wrong, so the simple fact that that Trevor defied one doctor's expectations and came out of his coma is hardly a miracle.

Although Dreamhealer claims (and Debbie believes) that he healed Trevor, it seems the "healing" has been far less than miraculous. Instead of a full recovery, Trevor remains gravely ill.

Logical error

This case illustrates a common logical error in thinking, one that has Latin name: post hoc ergo propter hoc ("after this, therefore because of it").

Debbie assumed that because Trevor regained consciousness after Dreamhealer said he "healed" him, Dreamhealer caused Trevor to come out of his coma. But it is likely that Trevor would have emerged from the coma with or without Dreamhealer's efforts; people emerge from comas all the time without any psychic or "special healing" efforts. To find out if Dreamhealer's powers helped, we would need a control group: two sets of patients in the same condition, only one whom received Dreamhealer's "healings." This of course would be difficult and expensive to do, but it is the only way to verify powers such as those claimed by psychic healers.

Despite the fact that Dreamhealer has never proven his healing powers under controlled conditions, he claims that what he does can be explained by science.

According to the Primetime segment, "There are physicists who believe there's something to this," including astronaut Edgar Mitchell, who says he recognizes the science in Dreamhealer's work. "It's about channeling energy and resonating with the person. The principles of quantum physics explain many of these intuitive mystical aspects of attention and intention," said Mitchell, who (despite being introduced by Primetime as a physicist and a "doctor") is neither a physicist nor a medical doctor. While Mitchell may recognize the science behind Dreamhealer's powers, the medical establishment doesn't. In fact, many such studies have tried to find this effect, and all of them—including those involving prayer—have failed.

Mistaken impressions

The impression of a miracle can be created by something as simple and common as a misdiagnosis. There have been cases where a doctor mistakenly diagnosed a patient with a disease. The patient then went to a psychic healer who claimed to cure the problem, and later X-rays or surgery confirmed that the person was in fact disease-free.

This can seem like powerful evidence, but instead of considering that the initial diagnosis might have been wrong, the patient assumes that the miracle cure was effective. Or, when giving a patient or family a prognosis, doctors may err on the side of bad news to avoid giving them false hope. It is better, they reason, to have the patient get good news if they were wrong (and recover unexpectedly or "miraculously") than bad news (and not recover when expected to).

In the end, of course, the results speak for themselves. Despite opinions to the contrary, the people that Primetime featured were hardly cured by Dreamhealer; one woman's affliction got worse, another's cancer came back, and the other two are still seriously ill. While some people who go to such healers improve briefly (either because of the placebo effect or because their symptoms go into remission), most end up just as badly off as before (or worse, if they have stopped medical treatments).

Though modern medicine has a spectacular track record of success (from stem-cell research to polio vaccines and cardiac surgery), it is not perfect, and patients should realize that doctors are only human. The fallibility of medicine is not a reason to reject modern medicine. It takes more than a faulty lab test, X-ray, or diagnosis to create a medical miracle. Real miracle cures are the result of careful, hard work by scientists, doctors, and medical researchers.

Benjamin Radford is managing editor of Skeptical Inquirer magazine.

Sorry I didnt have the url that I lost it. Oh well! Thanks! ;)
 
Wow, it seems to me that someody doesn't see the real truth is out there. Denials is the huge problem that I am so struggling with people with audist attitude.

I am not in denial...and I am not audist :pissed:

you are extremely extremist !!!! Good luck on your extremist way :ugh3:
 
And, just what is the truth???

The truth isn't that C.I.'s, HA's, heck, even having an audist attitude (whatever that heck that came from) doesn't destroy 'human beings'. Perhaps, problems will surfaced from one person to another...but quite literally, it doesn't destroy the 'human being'.

You may mean well with several of your postings here in AD, however, after viewing for the past week or so, in many instances, giving 'respect' for the opinions of others is one noteable weakness, also, it doesn't justify what agenda you're pursuing here by finger-pointing members, naming them publicly which is a form of bashing, belittling and that is not to be tolerated here in AD. Be advised: Refrain from using or naming any member(s) here in AD.

But then again, these words just may as well disappear into thin air--.




Nothing new.


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Sorry I didnt have the url that I lost it. Oh well! Thanks! ;)

That woman that came up to me at my husband's work picnic about how all deaf people should get CIs gave me the impression that CIs are a medical miracle as this article u posted talked about and she couldnt understand why not all deaf people wanted to get a CI. I brought that up in another thread. However, I think most people here on AD dont view CIs as medical cures for deafness...just as a tool to help them. Remmy not all of them have access to the Deaf community like some of us do so if they are in a spoken environment 24/7, a CI can help a lot from what I have read. To each its own.

My passion is deaf education and literacy levels/full acess to language which means I support the use of ASL in all deaf ed programs not just oral-only programs. I believe that children with CIs still can benefit greatly from sign language.
 
Wow, it seems to me that someody doesn't see the real truth is out there. Denials is the huge problem that is I am so struggling with people with audist attitude.

Why are u judge them for being who they are? Maybe it is you turn them into audist attitude? In past they drove me away from DEAF world because of their DEAF attitude toward me. So what is real truth here?
 
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/clubbers-going-deaf-from-hours-of-loud-music/ 2006/10/29/1162056852548.html

Clubbers going deaf

October 29, 2006 - 9:38AM

Punters at music venues are damaging their ears as badly as if they spent five hours in a room with a lawnmower, a new hearing study has revealed.

Researchers at Ear Science Institute Australia measured the volume of music at a dozen clubs around Perth, in the first Australian study to comprehensively calculate venue noise.

They found the average sound level was over 95 decibels - on par with the noise emitted by a lawnmower or circular saw.

But more worrying, says institute director and ear surgeon professor Marcus Atlas, was that interviews with more than 300 patrons showed the average person spent five hours per session listening at that volume.

"These ears are getting an absolute hammering and that's very alarming," Prof. Atlas said.

"That volume for that length of time just once is enough to begin to develop tinnitus and a mild high frequency nerve hearing loss.

"And that's just the beginning of a progressive, irreversible hearing loss if they keep going back."

He said the findings showed a lack of awareness among young people and reinforced a new and concerning trend.

"This research supports what we are seeing - younger people in Australia and overseas are now requiring hearing aids much earlier in life as a result of hearing loss caused through listening to loud music."

It's not just live music - iPods and other listening devices can pump out up to 100 decibels, which can be debilitating after several hours, Prof. Atlas says.

And at this stage specialists are still unable to regenerate the delicate hair cells inside the inner ear which are killed by noise.

"We can only give them hearing aids and help prevent further loss," he said. {{{{ [red]My feelings/thinking confused that it stated help prevent further loss. HA destroy my right ear while my left ear has been left alone with no problem. That is telling me something wrong here [/red]}}}}

The study, soon to be published in an international epidemiology journal, also found about half the respondents believed the sound levels they exposed themselves to would cause long-term hearing loss.

In fact, 56 per cent admitted suffering from tinnitus in the past but only seven per cent said they were willing accept free ear plugs if they were offered them.


I wore my Hearing aid more than ten hours a day for many years since two years old so what s your point? Sighs! It damaged my right ears by HA if you mind. Medical professional and Audiology professional doesnt know what they are doing from a start. Scoffs! I do not trust any strangers that is including Audism attitude.

Thanks! ;)
Sweetmind
 
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Why are u judge them for being who they are? Maybe it is you turn them into audist attitude? In past they drove me away from DEAF world because of their DEAF attitude toward me. So what is real truth here?

That's too bad that some people drove you away because of their DEAF attitude. I was encountered with that at first but ignored them. Eventually, I found many people like me in the Deaf community so not all of us are the same. Sorry that it got bad for u.
 
...However, I think most people here on AD dont view CIs as medical cures for deafness...just as a tool to help them. Remmy not all of them have access to the Deaf community like some of us do so if they are in a spoken environment 24/7, a CI can help a lot from what I have read. To each its own.

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yes, that's what I believe .. and I live in a hearing environment.
 
http://www.greenocktelegraph.co.uk/readstory.php?id=7875

Call centre staff in deaf warning
Thousands of call centre staff in Inverclyde could be at risk from deafness.

Inverclyde’s thousands of workers could all be at risk from a condition called acoustic shock, potentially leading to permanent hearing damage.

The condition is caused when unexpected loud noises injure people wearing headsets or earpieces.


Jim McCourt, manager of the employment rights centre in Inverclyde, said: “We would urge that the local call centres meet their legal obligations in this field. The bottom line is that if it is a forseeable hazard, they must risk assess for it. It would be useful if these companies do risk assessments and that is the way to manage the problems. “An increase in the number of call centre workers reporting acoustic shock and hearing damage because of their jobs has prompted experts to criticise employers.

MSP for Inverclyde Duncan MacNeil said: “There are health and safety issues associated with every workplace and not just in heavy industry and construction.

“I am sure our local employers take their responsibilities to their employees seriously.”

Nigel Wilkinson, health and safety and environment manager for T Mobile, said: “T Mobile is fully committed to managing health and safety to ensure all work activities be carried out with minimal risk to employees.”

A conference is being held in Glasgow later this month to highlight the problem and experts in acoustic shock from as far away as Australia are travelling to Scotland to warn of the dangers

So far £2.5 million has been handed out in compensation to 700 people who have suffered health problems because of acoustic shock.

The Health and Safety Executive has recognised the condition and have published guidelines for companies to follow.

Greenock call centres include T-Mobile and the Royal Bank of Scotland Mortgage Centre.

This story appeared in the Greenock Telegraph on Tue, 21 Nov, 2006

So there! ;)
 
No access to other deaf people in your area?

very little :(

I'm only hoh(or late deafened in better definition) among my cousins :(

I always have difficulty in hearing world but I don't hate hearing :)
 
Sweetmind,please talk in brief ! I don't want to waste my time with your too long quotes.

NO need to because the article says it all as it s the evidence here if you mind.. It s your issue to be upset that is nothing I can do about it.

As you think I am BS then I handed the evidence on the table right here.
 
NO need to because the article says it all as it s the evidence here if you mind.. It s your issue to be upset that is nothing I can do about it.

As you think I am BS then I handed the evidence on the table right here.

I love you :hug:
 
That's too bad that some people drove you away because of their DEAF attitude. I was encountered with that at first but ignored them. Eventually, I found many people like me in the Deaf community so not all of us are the same. Sorry that it got bad for u.

Yes and thank u for saying sorry but it is how I survived in two worst worlds I ever live in hearing and DEAF but I do very well live in the middle. I am a survivor.
 
Why are u judge them for being who they are? Maybe it is you turn them into audist attitude? In past they drove me away from DEAF world because of their DEAF attitude toward me. So what is real truth here?



NUMBER # 177 is my statement that I took it out from that comment -Other hands, I have some friends who have CI that is their choice since they are an adults.. It is to me that it s a big mistake to make. That is there is to it.

It s just my opinion of DEVICES itself that has nothing to do with a person that I hate.. OH please! I m tired of this lame excuses from someone who talks like that. I hate those ppl attacked me for no reason. They think too negative too much while I dont.

And I do agree with you after all what they did it to me on the internet and outside of internet that they gave me audism attitude as well.

Go back to the AUDISM article then you will be able to understand it better.

HIGHLANDER - I do not hate hearing people but I hate Audism people so be it. I made a lot of new hearing / latened deaf people with their openminded and positive attitude on the internet because we reached out for each other as a friendship group. ;)
 
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