Realize no voice...

I try say this nicely lol
 
rebeccalj said:
I realize today from reading post that I do not have the voice that I want. That I need to take responsibility for the wrongs done me and make difference.

That I, me, angry for wrongs. Okay to be angry but, then, do something about.

Thank you Becklak today I start being me. Tired of asking family to accommodate, well, then *make* them accommodate you! Tired of people thinking you hearie because you talk then *DON'T*. Then they have no choice!

I guess what I mean for 'hearies' is that I don't want to be hearie. I just want to be *ME*. I don't want to make apology anymore for not hearing.

I come to my own if make sense?

Thank you everyone, deafie particular, for helping realize this. Thank you AD!

I use Becklak 'STEP' from now on. Even with son who pretend I do not hear. Done with it. He can learn.

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I don't know if my opinion will help here, but I'll chip it in and let you decide.

First off, I'm what some people call a 'tween' - meaning that most of the hearies consider me a deafie, and many deafies consider me a hearie. I fall between the cracks of both cultures. All due to an annoying decision made by government experts while I was growing up to mainstream me and purposely not teach me ASL. (A real unwise decision in my opinion... since I'm pretty much doomed to communicate only one way as I lose more hearing over time.)

So I'm good with talking to the hearing world, but hearing them, not so much. And I run into that annoying ignorant assumption of 'you can talk good so you must hear good'. I even ran into it at the ear, nose & throat specialists office, where I was taken aback they didn't know any better.

Sure I could have done things the easy way and refused to deal with the hearies due to their ignorance. But I think we should try to rise above that ignorance and cross those barriers while teaching them some understanding. Sure it's more difficult, but my hope is the end result will be that you raise people's consciousness to a more mindful one and smoothing the path for their next encounter with somebody else later. And that eventually will help move everyone towards a time in the future, where more people will be experienced enough to not relegate as many individuals such as myself to the 'tweens'.
 
I don't know if my opinion will help here, but I'll chip it in and let you decide.

First off, I'm what some people call a 'tween' - meaning that most of the hearies consider me a deafie, and many deafies consider me a hearie. I fall between the cracks of both cultures. All due to an annoying decision made by government experts while I was growing up to mainstream me and purposely not teach me ASL. (A real unwise decision in my opinion... since I'm pretty much doomed to communicate only one way as I lose more hearing over time.)

So I'm good with talking to the hearing world, but hearing them, not so much. And I run into that annoying ignorant assumption of 'you can talk good so you must hear good'. I even ran into it at the ear, nose & throat specialists office, where I was taken aback they didn't know any better.

Sure I could have done things the easy way and refused to deal with the hearies due to their ignorance. But I think we should try to rise above that ignorance and cross those barriers while teaching them some understanding. Sure it's more difficult, but my hope is the end result will be that you raise people's consciousness to a more mindful one and smoothing the path for their next encounter with somebody else later. And that eventually will help move everyone towards a time in the future, where more people will be experienced enough to not relegate as many individuals such as myself to the 'tweens'.
 
I tried without using my voice but I reverted back to my old habits of using it. Got too brainwashed by the hearing way growing up. GRR!
 
I have had good luck except at work. My boss.... echhhh.

Yet, in my "real life" I am voice off. I just try to be more expressive. Voice off is great. Like Beklak was inspiring to you, PFH was inspiring to me. (Thank you formally, PFH). The only time I do have trouble is when I voice. Too loud, too soft, oh - voicing = hearing.... So I kept reading PFH's posts and sure enough, it works. PFH and Nike. Just do it. hahaha

Deaf Caroline also inspired me with a story of being a "good listener". haha

You will have good luck with this if you remember the expressive looks, posture and attitude. I wish you all the best in your journey.
 
LDNanna said:
I have had good luck except at work. My boss.... echhhh.

Yet, in my "real life" I am voice off. I just try to be more expressive. Voice off is great. Like Beklak was inspiring to you, PFH was inspiring to me. (Thank you formally, PFH). The only time I do have trouble is when I voice. Too loud, too soft, oh - voicing = hearing.... So I kept reading PFH's posts and sure enough, it works. PFH and Nike. Just do it. hahaha

Deaf Caroline also inspired me with a story of being a "good listener". haha

You will have good luck with this if you remember the expressive looks, posture and attitude. I wish you all the best in your journey.
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When you go /voice do you bring paper and pen everywhere?
 
I do have it but rarely use it. I did use it today so that I could understand the word "girdle". It was too hard to lip read and did not know a sign for it either. I saw muddle, hurdle and even tried poodle! hahaha. It was soooo not worth bringing out the paper. I used the don't like sign "flick" with the paper after they were through writing. Dismissed face! Scathing glare! Hearing people scurry to find new dress and make bowing apologies! Credit card in back pocket, back to staff - out the door. lol
All with no words. Good on that.
 
shel90 said:
I tried without using my voice but I reverted back to my old habits of using it. Got too brainwashed by the hearing way growing up. GRR!
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You're not the ony one. I have a hard time with that.
 
posts from hell said:
It's quite liberating.

And matter of a fact!! I signed to the barista my order, and got it, sat down.

A few minutes later a lady approached me in sign... this lady is in her 2nd week of ASL 1 class! So we chatted briefly. It was cool.

She asked if we could meet and chat every once in a while. It was nice.

This happened just 5 minutes ago.

This would have never happened if I voiced or wrote my order.
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I have actually started doing that 4 months ago, and yeah its surprising that you Do get respect from the hearies, if not all. Only worry about good results not the negative 'oh she/he deaf cant talk frowns fuck them!, but
honesty its hard!, i do slip back voice on, now i tend to go half and half, like id teach them hand numbers if asking me for ID numbers or order numbers, and basic signs, like please, thank you, points, grine for coffee, black or white, and visually dipping imaginary teabags for tea, sugar is easy hearies arent that stupid if given chances youd find some of the quick ones, or more 'visual ones', the snotty Englishy types...i feel sorry for them they are so bittered and old worldy and too much of a conformist BORING lol

wicked way to go Reb, PFH, etc all those who do it, id be nice if not only encourage Beclak's ideas of STEPs but also to influence more of the voice on deafies to try stand up and BE DEAF...SHOW the world who we really are

peace to you all :cool2:
 
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haha last week, it was the first day of track for my boy, and i signed to hearing people asking where was my boy be in the group. Funny, one of them who happens to be a chairperson for this track. She signed to me and was telling me where my boy was supposed to be in the group. She even introduced herself and I introduced myself too. It's nice to see someone who knows ASL. cool.
 
It's. Hard to stop speaking when you have been oral for so long.
 
A hearing person told me yesterday that when they meet somebody who signs it causes them to change mental gears and work harder at trying to communicate. If the person uses their voice, they quickly forgot that they are deaf and start to communicate as if they're the same even though initially they didn't mean to.
 
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LDNanna said:
I have had good luck except at work. My boss.... echhhh.

Yet, in my "real life" I am voice off. I just try to be more expressive. Voice off is great. Like Beklak was inspiring to you, PFH was inspiring to me. (Thank you formally, PFH). The only time I do have trouble is when I voice. Too loud, too soft, oh - voicing = hearing.... So I kept reading PFH's posts and sure enough, it works. PFH and Nike. Just do it. hahaha

Deaf Caroline also inspired me with a story of being a "good listener". haha

You will have good luck with this if you remember the expressive looks, posture and attitude. I wish you all the best in your journey.
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PFH is an inspiration to me too on going voice off. Thanks PFH.
 
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Grummer said:
posts from hell said:
It's quite liberating.

And matter of a fact!! I signed to the barista my order, and got it, sat down.

A few minutes later a lady approached me in sign... this lady is in her 2nd week of ASL 1 class! So we chatted briefly. It was cool.

She asked if we could meet and chat every once in a while. It was nice.

This happened just 5 minutes ago.

This would have never happened if I voiced or wrote my order.
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I have actually started doing that 4 months ago, and yeah its surprising that you Do get respect from the hearies, if not all. Only worry about good results not the negative 'oh she/he deaf cant talk frowns fuck them!, but
honesty its hard!, i do slip back voice on, now i tend to go half and half, like id teach them hand numbers if asking me for ID numbers or order numbers, and basic signs, like please, thank you, points, grine for coffee, black or white, and visually dipping imaginary teabags for tea, sugar is easy hearies arent that stupid if given chances youd find some of the quick ones, or more 'visual ones', the snotty Englishy types...i feel sorry for them they are so bittered and old worldy and too much of a conformist BORING lol

wicked way to go Reb, PFH, etc all those who do it, id be nice if not only encourage Beclak's ideas of STEPs but also to influence more of the voice on deafies to try stand up and BE DEAF...SHOW the world who we really are

peace to you all :cool2:
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:h5:
 
Why do humans have voice-in the first place?

From reading some of the above what does anyone who knows one has used their voice before suddenly stops-do/think?

Does this restrict one's social interaction to ASL/et al users?

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07
 
I randomly go voice off. Never at work though. Just whenever the mood strikes me and I want a day of not working so damn hard to communicate.
 
Frisky Feline said:
haha last week, it was the first day of track for my boy, and i signed to hearing people asking where was my boy be in the group. Funny, one of them who happens to be a chairperson for this track. She signed to me and was telling me where my boy was supposed to be in the group. She even introduced herself and I introduced myself too. It's nice to see someone who knows ASL. cool.
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Only way to find other people who knows sign...... is to use the language. It's that simple.
 
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