Pharmacist arrested for killing holdup man

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I don't know why this pharmacist was arrested. He was defending his business after a robbery attempt. He would have never shot anyone if the kids had left him alone. It's certainly not first-degree murder.


Oklahoma druggist arrested for killing holdup man - Yahoo! News

Oklahoma druggist arrested for killing holdup man
By TIM TALLEY, Associated Press Writer
Sat May 30, 10:46 am ET

OKLAHOMA CITY – Confronted by two holdup men, pharmacist Jerome Ersland pulled a gun, shot one of them in the head and chased the other away. Then, in a scene recorded by the drugstore's security camera, he went behind the counter, got another gun, and pumped five more bullets into the wounded teenager as he lay on the floor.

Now Ersland has been charged with first-degree murder in a case that has stirred a furious debate over vigilante justice and self-defense and turned the pharmacist into something of a folk hero.

Ersland, 57, is free on $100,000 bail, courtesy of an anonymous donor. He has won praise from the pharmacy's owner, received an outpouring of cards, letters and checks from supporters, and become the darling of conservative talk radio.

"His adrenaline was going. You're just thinking of survival," said John Paul Hernandez, 60, a retired Defense Department employee who grew up in the neighborhood. "All it was is defending your employee, business and livelihood. If I was in that position and that was me, I probably would have done the same thing."

District Attorney David Prater said Ersland was justified in shooting 16-year-old Antwun Parker once in the head, but not in firing the additional shots into his belly. The prosecutor said the teenager was unconscious, unarmed, lying on his back and posing no threat when Ersland fired what the medical examiner said were the fatal shots.

Anthony Douglas, president of the Oklahoma chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, called it an "execution-style murder" and praised the district attorney for bringing charges. Ersland is white; the two suspects were black.

Parker's parents also expressed relief that Ersland faces a criminal charge.

"He didn't have to shoot my baby like that," Parker's mother, Cleta Jennings, told TV station KOCO.

But many of those who have seen the video of the May 19 robbery attempt at Reliable Discount Pharmacy have concluded the teenager in the ski mask got what he deserved.

Mark Shannon, who runs a conservative talk show on Oklahoma City's KTOK, said callers have jammed his lines this week in support of Ersland, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel who wears a back brace on the job and told reporters he is a disabled veteran of the Gulf War.

"There is no gray area," Shannon said. One caller "said he should have put all the shots in the head."

Don Spencer, a 49-year-old National Rifle Association member who lives in the small town of Meridian, 40 miles north of Oklahoma City, said the pharmacist did the right thing: "You shoot more than enough to make sure the threat has been removed."

Barbara Bergman, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers and a professor at the University of New Mexico School of Law, likened the public reaction to that of the case of Bernard Goetz, the New Yorker who shot four teenagers he said were trying to rob him when they asked for $5 on a subway in 1984.

Goetz was cleared of attempted murder and assault but convicted of illegal gun possession and served 8 1/2 months in jail.

Bergman said those who claim they used deadly force in self-defense have to show they were "in reasonable fear of serious bodily injury."

The pharmacy is in a crime-ridden section of south Oklahoma City and had been robbed before.

The video shows two men bursting in, one of them pointing a gun at Ersland and two women working with the druggist behind the counter. Ersland fires a pistol, driving the gunman from the store and hitting Parker in the head as he puts on a ski mask.

Ersland chases the second man outside, then goes back inside, walks behind the counter with his back to Parker, gets a second handgun and opens fire.

Irven Box, Ersland's attorney, noted the outpouring of support for the pharmacist, including $2,000 in donations, and said: "I feel very good 12 people would not determine he committed murder in the first degree."

Under Oklahoma's "Make My Day Law" — passed in the late 1980s and named for one of Clint Eastwood's most famous movie lines — people can use deadly force when they feel threatened by an intruder inside their homes. In 2006, Oklahoma's "Stand Your Ground Law" extended that to anywhere a citizen has the right to be, such as a car or office.

"It's a 'Make-My-Day' case," Box said. "This guy came in, your money or your life. Mr. Ersland said, `You're not taking my life.'" The gunman "forfeited his life."

Box said that another person might have reacted differently, but he asked: "When do you turn off that adrenaline switch? When do you think you're safe? I think that's going to be the ultimate issue."

If convicted, Ersland could be sentenced to life in prison with or without parole, or receive the death penalty.

Jevontia Ingram, the 14-year-old boy accused of wielding the gun in the robbery, was arrested Thursday. The district attorney on Friday filed a first-degree murder charge against him, as well as against a man accused of being the getaway driver, and another man suspected of helping talk the teens into the crime.

The charges accuse all three of sharing responsibility for Parker's shooting death.

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"Ersland, a former Air Force lieutenant colonel who wears a back brace on the job and told reporters he is a disabled veteran of the Gulf War."
This could explain why Ersland acted the way he did! The guy was trained to kill his enemies in war so they would not kill him or his troops! "Ersland could had a flashback , thinking he was at war again! I wonder if Ersland was
deprogram so he would not want to shot to kill any more?
 
District Attorney David Prater said Ersland was justified in shooting 16-year-old Antwun Parker once in the head, but not in firing the additional shots into his belly.

I completely agree with this statement. The hit in the head was in self-defense, but the rest was out of line.
 
Then, in a scene recorded by the drugstore's security camera, he went behind the counter, got another gun, and pumped five more bullets into the wounded teenager as he lay on the floor.

I'd say the above quote from the OP is the reason he was arrested on first degree murder charges.
 
Maybe the dude ran out of ammo, or else he would still be firing. *shrugs*
 
I feel the guy had the right to defend himself.

Pumping more bullets into him while the guy was laying on the ground, was an overkill.

But who knows his mental state, and adrenaline rush.
 
Overkill !...I can see shooting somebody more than once, if they're still standing up....but once they are down and can't get up...then that's enuf!

Besides the teen was robbing the store, not trying to murder anybody. It's overkill, plain and simple!

The pharmacist must have problems!...And of course, when he got "happy shooting" fever, he added onto those problems!
 
I completely agree with this statement. The hit in the head was in self-defense, but the rest was out of line.

I don't agree at all. Loghead and jillio, if someone broke into your business or home and you shot him/her, would you let them live? No, even the cops would tell you to expire the person. If you don't, the "criminal" will come back and sue the person and this man's business is wiped out because of a set of parents who did a lousy job on their kids. I would have done the same thing, except I wouldn't have stopped shooting. Second Amendment.

The man should be applauded and this justified killing just saved the criminal justice system one worthless piece of trash.
 
I don't agree at all. Loghead and jillio, if someone broke into your business or home and you shot him/her, would you let them live? No, even the cops would tell you to expire the person. If you don't, the "criminal" will come back and sue the person and this man's business is wiped out because of a set of parents who did a lousy job on their kids. I would have done the same thing, except I wouldn't have stopped shooting. Second Amendment.

The man should be applauded and this justified killing just saved the criminal justice system one worthless piece of trash.

here's a thing - if you do not intend to let him live when he break into your house, well then make sure you kill him with the first shot. but if you shot him and he's seriously injured and incapacitated on the ground.... and you walked to him to finish him off - you bet your ass that if I were the district attorney, I would charge you with execution-style murder and I will recommend a maximum sentence allowed by law.

2nd Amendment is used for self-defense, not execution-style defense.

What this pharmacist did is even more coward than what the thug did for living. You want a man who should be applauded for as an example of 2nd Amendment? Try NY deli owner Mohammed Sohail.
 
Then, in a scene recorded by the drugstore's security camera, he went behind the counter, got another gun, and pumped five more bullets into the wounded teenager as he lay on the floor.

I'd say the above quote from the OP is the reason he was arrested on first degree murder charges.

As well he should be unless there were other underlying circumstances like mental illness.
 
Due to over-kill is all to the point why he was charged.
 
I don't agree at all. Loghead and jillio, if someone broke into your business or home and you shot him/her, would you let them live? No, even the cops would tell you to expire the person. If you don't, the "criminal" will come back and sue the person and this man's business is wiped out because of a set of parents who did a lousy job on their kids. I would have done the same thing, except I wouldn't have stopped shooting. Second Amendment.

The man should be applauded and this justified killing just saved the criminal justice system one worthless piece of trash.

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You have the legal right to use suffieicient force to stop an attack. No where do you have the right to murder, unless your own life is in danger. He had already disabled the robber. There was no need to get another gun and empty it into him. The fact that he had time to go behind the counter, retrieve another gun, walk back out, and shoot the robber several more times is evidence enough of excessive force.

I suggest that you read the Second Amendment. It doesn't give you the right to do anything except "bear arms".

Go ahead and do the same thing. You'll end up charged with murder just as this pharmacist was.
 
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As well he should be unless there were other underlying circumstances like mental illness.

:lol: I don't think mental illness should excuse anyone from being arrested for murder!
 
Mod's Note:

OK, after reviewing this thread, I am going to reopen it.

Please let's play nice in this thread. :)

Thank you.

-Brian
 
:ty: Brian for re-opening this thread. This is particularly important for those who own guns (or not).

so yea.... 2nd Amendment is NOT to be confused with License to Kill.

2nd Amendment gave this pharmacists rights to bear arms that allows him to protect his life with lethal force but the 2nd Amendment does not give him rights to "finish him off." This exists only in Mortal Kombat game, not in a civilized society. This has been a golden rule since guns were born. The British Redcoats and American patriots back in old day wouldn't do such thing in wars.

I have no doubt that if George Washington were alive now, he would give you some good old-fashioned spanking at your bare bottom. :)
 
If it was a white woman robbing the drugstore, would he shoot her over and over? I doubt it. I suspect it's tainted with prejudice.

I do not think he should be charged for *first degree murder* though.
 
:ty: Brian for re-opening this thread. This is particularly important for those who own guns (or not).

so yea.... 2nd Amendment is NOT to be confused with License to Kill.

2nd Amendment gave this pharmacists rights to bear arms that allows him to protect his life with lethal force but the 2nd Amendment does not give him rights to "finish him off." This exists only in Mortal Kombat game, not in a civilized society. This has been a golden rule since guns were born. The British Redcoats and American patriots back in old day wouldn't do such thing in wars.

I have no doubt that if George Washington were alive now, he would give you some good old-fashioned spanking at your bare bottom. :)

Are you sure of this?
 
There was no need to get another gun and empty it into him. The fact that he had time to go behind the counter, retrieve another gun, walk back out, and shoot the robber several more times is evidence enough of excessive force.

When you put it that way, I agree even if mental illness is a factor.
 


Are you sure of this?

Well - I know where you're getting at but it's still a generally-accepted rule not to shoot at unarmed people, wounded soldiers, and civilians.
 
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