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DeafCaroline said:
Two percent of all the water on this planet is freshwater. Why risk making that less? You can't grow or mine freshwater, it's in increasingly dwindling supply. And if you have an aquifier that's full of fresh pure water, it's wiser to bypass it than run a leaking pipeline through it.

There's been thousands of leaks from pipelines since 1979.
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That "two percent" is quite a lot in terms of what's available out there for human consumption and land use when you put down the numbers in gallons. Conservation of water is a good exercise to abide by. Mining aquifer in some places have caused the ground to drop tens of feet (subsidence) and so on and that was due to excessive use of groundwater withdrawal and water waste when recharge rate couldn't keep up. Reverse osmosis technology has enabled us to tap ocean water and saline/brackish groundwater as a source for fresh, clean water. Israel is big on this technology. So is in many parts of the United States.

The "thousands of leaks," yes. It happens. That's why old underground storage tanks for oil and gasoline had to be phased out for better storage tank design because it was impacting water tables in many places. We continue to improve the designs and conservation efforts. For example, drip irrigation is much better than spraying water in the air where some 70% of the water evaporates. Or a covered water canal is better than an open one because it would reduce evaporation by volume by 30 percent or so.

Yes, water is "dwindling" but what's increasing is our water conservation efforts, too. And better designs.

The whole aquifer doomsay scenario with the pipelines is a bit of a hyperbole on steroids. Risks? Sure. Always. Which is why there are ways we can mitigate these risks. Leaks will happen and we'll continue to address them. Water is our most precious resource but technology is making it easier to get and have clean water.
 
kokonut said:
That "two percent" is quite a lot in terms of what's available out there for human consumption and land use when you put down the numbers in gallons. Conservation of water is a good exercise to abide by. Mining aquifer in some places have caused the ground to drop tens of feet (subsidence) and so on and that was due to excessive use of groundwater withdrawal and water waste when recharge rate couldn't keep up. Reverse osmosis technology has enabled us to tap ocean water and saline/brackish groundwater as a source for fresh, clean water. Israel is big on this technology. So is in many parts of the United States.

The "thousands of leaks," yes. It happens. That's why old underground storage tanks for oil and gasoline had to be phased out for better storage tank design because it was impacting water tables in many places. We continue to improve the designs and conservation efforts. For example, drip irrigation is much better than spraying water in the air where some 70% of the water evaporates. Or a covered water canal is better than an open one because it would reduce evaporation by volume by 30 percent or so.

Yes, water is "dwindling" but what's increasing is our water conservation efforts, too. And better designs.

The whole aquifer doomsay scenario with the pipelines is a bit of a hyperbole on steroids. Risks? Sure. Always. Which is why there are ways we can mitigate these risks. Leaks will happen and we'll continue to address them. Water is our most precious resource but technology is making it easier to get and have clean water.
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Water is indeed our most precious resource and it should be fiercely protected. That's why alternative routes are being studied then will be proposed. Very wise thing to do especially since this particular aquifier keeps the grain industry afloat.
 
kokonut said:
Start drilling for our own oil and gas to the point of total energy independency, and get into the oil exporting business.
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There's a reason we're not doing it. There is a belief held by the powers that be that when it comes to natural resources, we need to be the last to have any left. In other words, we need to use up other countries' oil and gas first. You see, in 1985, our oil fields in the deep south shut down suddenly, for no good reason. They weren't declining in production (in fact, they still produce today). The companies in the area my Dad was in were told, "We're shutting it down. Thank you for working with us, it was nice to know you." However, there is also the understanding that while they want to run their enemies out of oil and gas, we better have our wells producing in the event we get cut off.
 
deafdrummer said:
There's a reason we're not doing it. There is a belief held by the powers that be that when it comes to natural resources, we need to be the last to have any left. In other words, we need to use up other countries' oil and gas first. You see, in 1985, our oil fields in the deep south shut down suddenly, for no good reason. They weren't declining in production (in fact, they still produce today). The companies in the area my Dad was in were told, "We're shutting it down. Thank you for working with us, it was nice to know you." However, there is also the understanding that while they want to run their enemies out of oil and gas, we better have our wells producing in the event we get cut off.
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That's nice in theory.
 
deafdrummer said:
There's a reason we're not doing it. There is a belief held by the powers that be that when it comes to natural resources, we need to be the last to have any left. In other words, we need to use up other countries' oil and gas first. You see, in 1985, our oil fields in the deep south shut down suddenly, for no good reason. They weren't declining in production (in fact, they still produce today). The companies in the area my Dad was in were told, "We're shutting it down. Thank you for working with us, it was nice to know you." However, there is also the understanding that while they want to run their enemies out of oil and gas, we better have our wells producing in the event we get cut off.
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LOL - and this grand 26 year conspiracy has been masterminded by a gov't that can barely eke out a lousy 2 month no brainer tax deal ...right :laugh2:
 
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