Only in America...you must vote or else you get fined.

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whatdidyousay! said:
What if you hated all the candidates running and do not agree with any of them would you still vote for one? I would not be able to vote a GOP or Dem. if I did not agree with them!
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That's why America has other parties. Unfortunately, there's not enough people voting for the alternatives for them to become mainstream.

Unfortunately... if you don't vote, you're also giving up your say in the direction of your government.
 
kokonut said:
No. Forcing people to vote under the threat of fines are not what conservatives want. Just as forcing people to buy insurance under the threat of fines and/or jail is NOT their idea of liberty. Conservatives do not believe in acts of tyranny.
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Conservatives (the vast majority, that is) are all about force. "Force everyone to believe as we believe on all issues political and moral" is the foundation of their label.
 
souggy said:
Paternalism.

East India Company was guilty of it.
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Yep. And I detest paternalistic attitude and behavior. It is extremely insulting, and usually stems from an overblown sense of self importance that borders on delusional.
 
Reba said:
I don't "hate" candidates.

You don't have to vote for GOP or Dem only. You can vote for anyone you want.

Just remember, even if you don't vote, other people will, and they might not represent your beliefs. You could be helping them win.

If you don't vote because it is your strong belief not to, that's fine, as long as you're willing to accept the results. At least don't skip voting just for laziness or not being informed.
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It has nothing to do being lazy if I do not vote! I just do not believe a word a
candidates say any more! My new new mayor said woukd raise taxes if she won , guess what she lied! I did vote but not for the the new mayor!
I did vote anyone I wanted , I voted for Jay Leno in one election, I did not like any of the candidates ! None of the candidates really represent my beliefs! I really think the candidates go out and talk to the people to see what they want to happen , then the candidates promise to do it just to get people votes! I think I will vote for my poodle the next time , he is very smart and does not lies!
 
jillio said:
Yep. And I detest paternalistic attitude and behavior. It is extremely insulting, and usually stems from an overblown sense of self importance that borders on delusional.
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That's why conservatives don't like nanny states, welfare societies, or any system that makes individuals dependent on government entities. The worst paternalism comes from Uncle Sugar.
 
Reba said:
That's why conservatives don't like nanny states, welfare societies, or any system that makes individuals dependent on government entities. The worst paternalism comes from Uncle Sugar.
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Then why is it they exhibit such paternalistic behaviors and attitudes?
 
Reba said:
That's why conservatives don't like nanny states, welfare societies, or any system that makes individuals dependent on government entities. The worst paternalism comes from Uncle Sugar.
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Are you saying there no conservatives on welfare! I had plenty of clients that where conservatives on welfare and getting food stamps!
 
Reba said:
That's why conservatives don't like nanny states, welfare societies, or any system that makes individuals dependent on government entities. The worst paternalism comes from Uncle Sugar.
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That's fine, let US become anarchy and puts your life at risk, it is your choice and have fun.

Outlaw on gay marriage or abortion is form of government control so that is very hypocrite for conservative to think about it.
 
jillio said:
Conservatives (the vast majority, that is) are all about force. "Force everyone to believe as we believe on all issues political and moral" is the foundation of their label.
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Absolutely not true.

No one can be forced to believe something they don't want to, and there's no reason to try to use force. People can become convinced thru being provided information, alternative solutions, and incentives, then using their own powers of research, analysis, and reasoning.

Conservatives have just as much right at liberals do to campaign and vote for issues and candidates they support.

That's not "force."
 
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Nanny states and welfare states are not equalivent to a paternalistic government, not as long people are not forced to use those programs.

What Yiz was describing was paternalism: "you must drive a hybrid car or else we will imprision you!" That is paternalism.

A government that offer choices would tax it; not punish the people who want to use it.
 
Reba said:
Absolutely not true.

No one can be forced to believe something they don't want to, and there's no reason to try to use force. People can become convinced thru being provided information, alternative solutions, and incentives, then using their own powers of research, analysis, and reasoning.

Conservatives have just as much right at liberals do to campaign and vote for issues and candidates they support.

That's not "force."
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Then why do the conservatives employ it as a technique? Campaigning to have laws reversed that allow freedom to believe and act in what the individual believes is in their best interest comes to mind.
 
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kokonut said:
No. Forcing people to vote under the threat of fines are not what conservatives want. Just as forcing people to buy insurance under the threat of fines and/or jail is NOT their idea of liberty. Conservatives do not believe in acts of tyranny.
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Conservatives (the vast majority, that is) are all about force. "Force everyone to believe as we believe on all issues political and moral" is the foundation of their label.
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Um... I thought conservatism is more about maintaining status quo?
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Are you saying there no conservatives on welfare! I had plenty of clients that where conservatives on welfare and getting food stamps!
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I didn't say that.

Conservative philosophy doesn't want to promote dependence on the government.
 
Philosophy is kind of empty when it isn't practiced.
 
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Um... I thought conservatism is more about maintaining status quo?
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Perhaps in theory.
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Not in theory, it's a global philosphy. Problem is conservates in individual countries have different values.

Conservatives in Netherlands are not the same as those in America. They operate along the same line pf preserving old values of the previous generation, but... the conservatives in Europe would be considered as "socialists" by many Americans, while the liberals of North America would be considered as "conservatives" to them. Yet the one thing conservatives share on both sides of the pond is the idea of holding true to the old societial values.
 
souggy said:
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Nanny states and welfare states are not equalivent to a paternalistic government, not as long people are not forced to use those programs.
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Nanny states force people to obey laws and regulations that are "for their own good" just like a parent does.

Welfare states are like the parent who provides the necessities of life to their children who are incapable of providing for themselves. The difference is, children grow up and learn to take care of themselves but people dependent on welfare don't move on. (I'm talking about permanent, multi-generational welfare recipients, not temporary safety net situations.)

What Yiz was describing was paternalism: "you must drive a hybrid car or else we will imprision you!" That is paternalism.

A government that offer choices would tax it; not punish the people who want to use it.
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That is another example. Increasing taxes on one car over another isn't force but it certainly is influence. Threatening with prison would surely seem to be force.

The problem is, paternalism believes that what it either influences (taxes) or forces (threatens with prison) is for the good of society.
 
souggy said:
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Not in theory, it's a global philosphy. Problem is conservates in individual countries have different values.
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Got it. :)

I assumed since this thread was "Only in America" that we were discussing American conservatives.
 
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