Obama nominates Sotomayor to Supreme Court

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Let's say... if a nominee is an athiest, does that matter to you? I bet it does. Polls say that they'd not vote for an atheist. That is wrong but it's reality.

It was just 30 years ago when homosexuals were denied the right to teach just because of their sexual orientation. Obviously, it shows that "sexual orientation" mattered to them. They chose to say that being straight is better. That's fine but they were wrong to deny that right to gays.

A century ago, it was perfectly legal to discriminate people based on religion and race. That shows that to them, race and religion mattered.

Now, we have laws prohibiting discrimination based on gender/race and we noominated a latino woman who is clearly qualified and now we have conservatives calling her a racist just because she BELIEVES and HOPES her experiences as a Latino woman with diabetes would make her a better judge.

I'm just ignore Jillio's post, thorough.

Most republicans wouldn't approve her because of toward to liberal, not because of race, Reba would agree with me.

I wouldn't surprise if president appoint atheist judge, however religion can be convert but race can't.
 
I'm just ignore Jillio's post, thorough.

Most republicans wouldn't approve her because of toward to liberal, not because of race, Reba would agree with me.

I wouldn't surprise if president appoint atheist judge, however religion can be convert but race can't.

You probably should check her record with the Court of Appeals before you declare her a "liberal".

So you are saying if an atheist converts, they would be acceptable? What religion would they have to convert to in order to be acceptable?
 
I'm very impressed by her, because I know what it is like to be a Latina woman. Most of my family (older generation) and family friends could NOT believe that I went away to college 1000 miles away and went "tsk tsk tsk" to my mom because not only I'm deaf but I'm also a woman. For a white man, going away to college is something that is more "routine" and doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye.

Besides.. even if "race/gender didn't matter", she's got QUITE the impressive resume!
 
(CNN) -- When Don Imus denigrated in clearly racist terms the championship women's basketball team from Rutgers University; when actor Michael Richards screamed at black guests in a comedy club, calling them the "n-word" and invoking the threat of lynching; when Trent Lott said that things would have been better if a southern segregationist had been elected president a half-century earlier, responsible white people from across the ideological spectrum stepped forward to explain that these individuals were not racist.

The "R" word has become the taboo of the white world. By this I mean that calling someone racist is a taboo, not racism itself.

So when Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich and several other conservative commentators call a sitting federal appeals court judge and Supreme Court nominee who happens to be Latina, a racist, it's time to push back. Real hard.

The evidence offered in support of Judge Sonia Sotomayor's alleged racism is a speech she gave in Berkeley, California, in honor of Judge Mario G. Olmos, a former judge, community leader and graduate of Boalt Hall Law School who died an untimely death at the age of 43.

The offending section of the speech is this: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." This passage inspired Gingrich, former speaker of the House of Representatives and potential 2012 presidential candidate, to call Judge Sotomayor "a Latina racist."

To lift one statement out of Judge Sotomayor's eight-page speech without examining the context and substance of her remarks, is an example of the kind of shoddy character assassination that I suspect will dominate this judicial confirmation process.

Judge Sotomayor's speech is, in fact, an excellent meditation on how the experiences of judges might affect how they approach aspects of judicial decision-making. It explores the important, and too-little examined reality that judicial deliberations can be affected by a judge's background, perspective and experience.


In the next sentence immediately following the passage above, Judge Sotomayor says, "Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice [Benjamin] Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society."

Could she have been referring to Buck v. Bell, the 1927 case in which Justice Holmes -- widely regarded as perhaps the most brilliant justice in the Supreme Court's history -- upheld the state's plan to sterilize Carrie Buck, an 18-year-old white woman, who was accused of being congenitally retarded. Buck's main crime seems to have been the fact that she'd had a child out of wedlock.

In any case, Justice Holmes upheld the sterilization order, emphatically and coldly stating, "three generations of imbeciles is enough." Does anyone seriously believe that a woman, and especially a woman of color "with the richness of her experiences" would not have "reach[ed] a better conclusion " than that adopted by Justice Holmes in 1927?

In fact Buck v. Bell is the perfect example of how a "wise old [white] man" got it wrong in a way that a woman judge or a racial minority most likely would not.

It's worth pointing out that in that same speech Judge Sotomayor cautioned, "we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group." But she acknowledges that "there may be some [difference in her judging] based on my gender and my Latina heritage."

What Gingrich and others decry in Judge Sotomayor should be applauded. Judge Sotomayor has the humility to recognize the difficulty of achieving true and pure impartiality. Instead, as she pointed out in her speech, "[t]he aspiration to impartiality is just that -- it's an aspiration because it denies the fact that we are by our experiences making different choices than others."

Unlike so many judges who by virtue of being white and male simply assume their impartiality, Judge Sotomayor recognizes that all judges are affected by their background and their life experiences.

Ironically, it was Justice Cardozo who recognized this when he said, "[t]he great tides and currents which engulf the rest of men, do not turn aside in their course, and pass the judge by." Justice Cardozo concluded that "[n]o effort or revolution of the mind will overthrow utterly and at all times the empire of ... [a judge's] subconscious loyalties.

These are the realities of judicial decision-making evoked by Judge Sotomayor's speech. It's perhaps easier to say as [then-Supreme Court nominee] Clarence Thomas so famously did, that a judge can simply, "strip down like a runner," and become utterly impartial simply by putting on a black robe. But it is more honest to acknowledge that regardless of race, gender, ideology or professional background, impartiality is always a work-in-progress for judges.

Even Judge Richard Posner, a conservative stalwart on the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals once observed that, "Litigation commonly involves persons at different social distances form the judge, and the more proximate will garner the more sympathetic response regardless of actual desert."

Justice Thomas is the perfect example of how hard it can be for a judge to lay aside the personal experiences that shape his worldview. His views about the affirmative action cases that come before him are shaped quite clearly by what he regards as the self-sufficient dignity of his hard-working grandfather and the humiliation he says he felt when others believed his scholarly accomplishments were the result of affirmative action.

White judges are also shaped by their background and experiences. They needn't ever speak of it, simply because their whiteness and gender insulates them from the presumption of partiality and bias that is regularly attached to women judges and judges of color when it comes to matters of race and gender.

Only a judge who is conscious and fully engaged with the reality of how her experiences may bear on her approach to the facts of a case, or sense of social justice, or vision of constitutional interpretation, should be entrusted to sit on the most influential and powerful court in our nation.

Too often we have allowed ourselves to be placated and charmed by fantasies about umpire judges calling "balls and strikes," without ever asking which league the game is being played in or whether the umpire was standing in the best position to see the play. We forget that when deciding whether a batter checked his swing, the homeplate umpire will routinely ask for the alternative perspective from the first or third base umpire before calling a "swing and a miss" a strike.

Judge Sotomayor rightly suggests that these things matter. She notes in her speech that "personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see." She should know this. She's been a trial judge. None of the other justices who will serve with Judge Sotomayor will have had that experience.

Judge Sotomayor's speech is one of the most honest and compelling statements about judicial impartiality we're likely to hear from a judge of her stature.

It ends with this humble observation:

"Each day on the bench I learn something new about the judicial process and about being a professional Latina woman in a world that sometimes looks at me with suspicion. I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I re-evaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences, but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate."

It's entirely appropriate to question Judge Sotomayor about this speech at her confirmation hearings. She is evidently more than capable of explaining in compelling, clear language what precisely she wanted to convey in this speech. But Judge Sotomayor is not a racist.

It is an insult of unimaginable proportion to unleash this charge on her, based on one sentence from her Berkeley, California, speech. It is not just irresponsible to make this charge against a sitting federal appeals court judge based on this flimsy record; it is -- and here I'll break the taboo -- racist to do so.

Commentary: Judge Sotomayor is not a racist - CNN.com
 
I'm very impressed by her, because I know what it is like to be a Latina woman. Most of my family (older generation) and family friends could NOT believe that I went away to college 1000 miles away and went "tsk tsk tsk" to my mom because not only I'm deaf but I'm also a woman. For a white man, going away to college is something that is more "routine" and doesn't cause anyone to bat an eye.

Besides.. even if "race/gender didn't matter", she's got QUITE the impressive resume!

Absolutely. Her achievements speak for themselves, even with race and gender taken out of the equation.
 
You probably should check her record with the Court of Appeals before you declare her a "liberal".

So you are saying if an atheist converts, they would be acceptable? What religion would they have to convert to in order to be acceptable?

I don't suppose that it'd be acceptable for yours truly (who's an atheist) to convert to Santeria. Or as they call it, Regla de Ocha among other names.

I'd be much more acceptable if i were to return to my Southern Baptist roots.
 
I wouldn't surprise if president appoint atheist judge, however religion can be convert but race can't.

That is the scary part - you THINK that religion should not be protected at all and that we can just abuse their right to have religious freedom.

Suppose, an atheist is appointed and he has all the qualifications, even more than any judges, you're going to make his religion an issue? That reveals you have clear religious prejudice.
 
That is the scary part - you THINK that religion should not be protected at all and that we can just abuse their right to have religious freedom.

Suppose, an atheist is appointed and he has all the qualifications, even more than any judges, you're going to make his religion an issue? That reveals you have clear religious prejudice.

That's your belief, thorough.

I used to be agnostic/atheist for few years then return to christian for personal reason.

Remember, I'm moderate, not liberal, even I don't like some part of judge that Obama appoint and I will check it out later.
 
Remember, I'm moderate, not liberal...

This is what I keep telling some ADers even though they refuse to believe me. :)

Unfortunately, many centrists/moderates are mistakingly called liberals when we are anything but.
 
Absolutely. Her achievements speak for themselves, even with race and gender taken out of the equation.

If we're going to judge Sotomayorfor her race/ethnicity, we should do the same for Obama.

I don't understand why everyone is objecting to her when we just elected the first African-American President.

It sounds like a double standard to me.
 
As for the first post, I think it's... AWESOME NEWS! :D

Hmm... Interesting posts here. I see so different. Well, I prefer to look at their experience or background instead of look at races, genders, religions, politics, and etc etc.

My opinion, I think the background and experience are more importance than race, gender, or whatever it is. I meant, look at that amazing Soto! I personally do not care about her skin color, what's importance is... she had great experience. That's matter. I know some people are upset because of she is not a conservative, but my question is...

Why can't we give her a chance? She's worthy for Supreme Court. ;)
 
As for the first post, I think it's... AWESOME NEWS! :D

Hmm... Interesting posts here. I see so different. Well, I prefer to look at their experience or background instead of look at races, genders, religions, politics, and etc etc.

My opinion, I think the background and experience are more importance than race, gender, or whatever it is. I meant, look at that amazing Soto! I personally do not care about her skin color, what's importance is... she had great experience. That's matter. I know some people are upset because of she is not a conservative, but my question is...


Why can't we give her a chance? She's worthy for Supreme Court. ;)

Yup, I have agree with you.

Just ask republicans about why does she isn't conservative, just find congressmen in east Oregon or east Washington.

It could be have something with abortion.
 
I don't suppose that it'd be acceptable for yours truly (who's an atheist) to convert to Santeria. Or as they call it, Regla de Ocha among other names.

I'd be much more acceptable if i were to return to my Southern Baptist roots.

I would imagine a Santeria Priestess would cause quite a stir in the nominations.:lol:
 
This is what I keep telling some ADers even though they refuse to believe me. :)

Unfortunately, many centrists/moderates are mistakingly called liberals when we are anything but.

if centrists and moderates are mistakenly labeled as liberals - it's because they don't realize that they are actually liberals! self-denial, si? :lol:
 
If we're going to judge Sotomayorfor her race/ethnicity, we should do the same for Obama.

I don't understand why everyone is objecting to her when we just elected the first African-American President.

It sounds like a double standard to me.

Well, you see...now the ultras have an even stronger platform on which to spread fear. OMG....A Latina woman nominated by a Black President!!!!!:run: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

Personally, I think it was a brilliant move. Not only is she supremely qualified to fulfill the position, she is also a female and a Hispanic. To object based on her qualifications is easily refuted, due to her record and her CV. To object based on the fact that she is Hispanic or female simply serves to further alienate voters of female gender or Hispanic ethnicity. Check and Check Mate.:giggle:
 
Well, you see...now the ultras have an even stronger platform on which to spread fear. OMG....A Latina woman nominated by a Black President!!!!!:run: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!

Personally, I think it was a brilliant move. Not only is she supremely qualified to fulfill the position, she is also a female and a Hispanic. To object based on her qualifications is easily refuted, due to her record and her CV. To object based on the fact that she is Hispanic or female simply serves to further alienate voters of female gender or Hispanic ethnicity. Check and Check Mate.:giggle:

:laugh2: :gpost:
 
I have read and looked into Sotomayor's background. I admit that the first thing I checked was seeing her stance on 2nd Amendment because it gives me a good gauge on her overall view. She's been labeled as moderate liberal and I have no problem with that. While I'm bit icked about her stance on 2nd Amendment especially her ruling on Maloney v. Cuomo case... but I slightly concur with her ruling. I thought her interpretation about 2nd Amendment was very interesting. That shows to me that her knowledge in law, Constitution, and civil rights is very in-depth and highly qualified.

I especially liked her bluntness and temperament when she angrily scorned and aggressively questioned Bush Administration lawyer regarding Canadian man who was sent to Syria to be tortured.

So let me extend my congratulation and support for her nomination to a seat in Supreme Court. It's about time we have somebody with a strong passion in civil rights along with common sense. Scalia, Alito, and Roberts are strong voices for Conservative views so with Sotomayor on the board - that's good to have a share of liberal and conservative views together on the bench.

GOOD LUCK SOTOMAYOR! :cool2:
 
if centrists and moderates are mistakenly labeled as liberals - it's because they don't realize that they are actually liberals! self-denial, si? :lol:

The same way conservatives don't realize they are incapable of logical thinking? :giggle:
 
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