Mass casualties at theater showing Batman movie

Angel1989 said:
Sorry if this has been asked but since this "killer" had no problem killing and wounding innocent people, WHY did he tell the police his apartment was booby trapped? Did he all of a sudden feel "guilty"? If the police didn't know, from what I have read, they would have entered thru the front door, then all hell would have broke loose. Correct me if I am wrong.
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That is a really good question. Hopefully someday we will find out why. Maybe guilt did start to set in?
 
Jiro said:
not quite necessarily. I don't think I've ever heard of any massacres caused by lunatics' automatic weapons.... only ATF agents.
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Then maybe you can explain what you mean by modified & assembled to make this a gun for mass killings??? Like I said before an AR is an AR is an AR unless it has a short barrel or is fully auto! The only thing slightly unusual is the drum magazine.
 
Foxrac said:
I found out that James Holmes is same age as mine and born in 1987, also he completed bachelor of science degree.

Wow, what's waste of life and money for college, and his life will be permanently ruined because he will probably sentence to death penalty or life in prison. If he used Pell Grant or federal loans so what's big waste of taxpayer's money.
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It's possible for Holmes to receive death penalty. Colorado haven't done since 1997. Otherwise, the Defendant would get him into mental hospital instead.
 
Colorado shooting a reminder that psychiatry, not gun laws, needs fixing | Fox News
The case of James Holmes, the man who killed 12 people in Aurora, Colo., and injured dozens more, has absolutely nothing to do with the availability of guns. Such individuals -- twisted or hobbled by disorders of the mind -- can always find ways to turn the demons that haunt them inside-out, projecting their terrors on the world around them.

If Holmes hadn't shot people with an assault rifle, he would have blown them up with makeshift bombs or sprayed gallons of acid into the faces of children or ignited an inferno in a hotel.

I lost a friend to murder several years ago. He was run down by a mentally ill doctor who accelerated to 60 mph, aimed straight for my buddy, who was jogging in a park at the time, and plowed his car into him, crushing his skull. He had no gun. The two men had never met.

The case of James Holmes has everything, however, to do with the fractured, fragmented, anemic state of psychiatry in America and our unwillingness to educate the public how to recognize symptoms of mental illness and what to do when those symptoms are identified.

Because, in the end, it will become clear that more than one person -- and probably several, including family, friends, neighbors, classmates, health care personnel or educators -- knew or should have known that James Holmes was confused, losing sight of reality, experiencing severe mood swings, withdrawing from the world around him, experiencing violent fantasies or all of the above.

Most people -- even high school guidance counselors, college educators and family physicians -- remain mystified what to do if a person is acting bizarrely, has expressed thoughts of being violent or is voicing paranoid ideas or responding to voices commanding them to wreck havoc on others. They don't know that they can call 911 or that they can call their local police. They don't know that they can petition a district court to commit a loved one to a psychiatric facility. Many have no idea that their communities are covered by mental health centers with crisis teams that are duty bound to respond to such matters by at least considering the possible risks or evaluating the individual in question.

People who wouldn't hesitate an instant to intervene on behalf of someone who has a seizure or experiences chest pain, seem paralyzed to intervene on behalf of those who are mentally ill and experiencing even the most severe symptoms.

Deploying a national public information campaign, perhaps titled “MY BROTHER'S KEEPER,” about what to do when someone appears to be in the grip of mental illness -- and unwilling or unable to get help -- would go a long way toward preventing tragedies like the one in Colorado.

Still, the campaign would have to be married to a tandem and very aggressive project to close the gaping holes in the safety net that keeps the mentally disordered from falling too far -- sometimes with tragic consequences. Because many police officers remain unclear how much discretion they have to convey troubled people -- even people with violent thoughts or intentions -- to emergency rooms. Many teachers wrongly believe that they have no right to approach students and their families with concerns about violent writings or art. And, believe it or not, many mental health personnel see the mental health care system as so complex, and so stretched, that they are loathe to deploy even the meager resources that exist within the courts and our gutted state and private psychiatric hospital system.

Some of what should be done seems obvious. The fact that the University of Texas at Austin; Columbine; Virginia Tech I; Virginia Tech II and, now, Colorado, involved assailants who were students or were recently students argues for strategies to identify the mentally ill on campus. Students in grade school are required to show evidence of immunizations. Would it be too much to expect high school students to sit for tests designed to identify severe psychopathology? If we care whether our kids are exposed to tuberculosis, shouldn't we care if they are exposed to people struggling with voices, visions or paranoia?

If students show up at university health services for physical examinations and medical histories and there is no evidence that they were screened for psychiatric symptoms, and tragedy ensues, shouldn't colleges be liable for the fallout?

My professional life as a psychiatrist has been spent gaining more and more respect for the power of psychiatry to heal people, while watching the profession itself become a shadow of itself, partly due to the ineffective, misguided leadership of the American Psychiatric Association and other bodies that we entrusted to deploy our resources to the public good.

Now, it is time to do so in a strategic, sensitive, comprehensive way that can reduce psychiatric suffering and psychiatric stigma, while safeguarding the public from the worst symptoms of psychiatric disorders.

Now. because for dozens of people in Aurora, Colo. -- and hundreds of their family members and friends -- it is already too late.
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airportcop said:
Then maybe you can explain what you mean by modified & assembled to make this a gun for mass killings??? Like I said before an AR is an AR is an AR unless it has a short barrel or is fully auto! The only thing slightly unusual is the drum magazine.
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ok and........? what are you getting all fussy about? you a fan of James Holmes or something?
 
PowerON said:
It's possible for Holmes to receive death penalty. Colorado haven't done since 1997. Otherwise, the Defendant would get him into mental hospital instead.
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Oh wow, that's very long time.

I prefer to see him to locked up in ADX Florence or goes to death penalty.
 
Foxrac said:
Oh wow, that's very long time.

I prefer to see him to locked up in ADX Florence or goes to death penalty.
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him being locked up in any medium/high-security prison is fine. not concerned about him breaking out of prison because armed citizens around will take care of it :)
 
Jiro said:
him being locked up in any medium/high-security prison is fine. not concerned about him breaking out of prison because armed citizens around will take care of it :)
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Yup but ADX Florence is very unlikely because the killer has to tries and convicted in federal court before send to ADX Florence.
 
The Heroes of Aurora: Love and Bravery Amid the Horror
Aurora Victims: Stories of Love and Bravery : People.com

When the tear gas canister whooshed by and the gunfire erupted in the darkened Century Aurora Cinemark theater, Alex Teves leaped from his seat in front of his girlfriend Amanda Lindgren.

"He would do anything for me, and he did," Lindgren, 24, tearfully tells PEOPLE in its new cover story. "He saved me. He was my angel."

When it was over, Teves, also 24, was among the dead from a bullet that could have struck Lindgren – a hero amid the chaos and horror at the midnight screening of the latest Batman movie.

This week, PEOPLE looks in-depth at the July 20 massacre in Colorado, where James E. Holmes, a former neuroscience Ph.D. student at the University of Colorado, allegedly killed 12 and wounded 58 in one of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history.

In these moments of unspeakable terror emerged acts of extraordinary love and courage. Like Teves, two other men, Matt McQuinn, 27, and Jon Blunk, 26, also died as they took bullets for girlfriends.

And there was Prodeo Patria, 14, who despite a bullet in the back helped a wounded man to safety, and is expected to make a full recovery.

For more on the tragedy in Aurora, including exclusive interviews with survivors and one trauma surgeon's harrowing account of her night in the E.R., pick up the new issue of PEOPLE, on newsstands Friday
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The killer is not insane if he knows the difference between right and wrong. He surrendered when the police showed up so he knew what he did was wrong. Something pissed him off so he got mad and killed those people.
 
airportcop said:
That is a really good question. Hopefully someday we will find out why. Maybe guilt did start to set in?
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I doubt that is the reason , I feel it was more of a power play by the shooter to see if he could out smart the polices . Someone on TV said this too, I can't remember who the person was. We really do not know what the shooter was thinking .

The first person was buried today , my heart goes out to all the families and friends of the victims.
 
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Jiro said:
Colorado shooting a reminder that psychiatry, not gun laws, needs fixing | Fox News
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That article is the real deal and it hit the nail directly on the head! Some people in strategic places don't know what to look for in mental illness and instability. They must be properly trained and fast! Others in our society also lack the desire to particpate in the cycle of effectiveness in getting those mentally ill the help that they need. Confounded by the laws and lawsuits still more are reluctant to act. The lines get blurred and it ends up often in tradgedies like this unspeakable act. The signs were there, even his mother openly admitted that it was her son!

As a police officer it is often times very difficult to have enough evidence to be able to involuntarily commit someone in need of help. It seems that they must be a danger to themselves or others. Well, what if they really can't seem to function in public life and make no sense at all in what they say and do? Unfortunately or fortunately it is not against the law to be crazy! I learned that as a rookie. If we locked up all the crazy folks the jails wouldn't hold them nor would the hospitals or insurance companies take them! Sad fact of life in our society today. Some need to be incarcerated, some need to be in mental institutions, but the majority just need the proper counseling, medication and someone who cares about them! The current system much like our government is broken but how do we go about fixing it? It will take standing up to and facing the problem face on. We need real life caring, hard working people to get involved and to get their hands dirty. That will help out tremendously and then an overhall of our physciatric system. Unless things change and people are willing to step up to the plate them I'm afraid that we will just be stuck with what we have, same old day, same old problem! :cry::2c:
 
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whatdidyousay! said:
I doubt that is the reason , I feel it was more of a power play by the shooter to see if he could out smart the polices . Someone on TV said this too, I can't remember who the person was. We really do not know what the shooter was thinking .

The first person was buried today , I my heart goes out to all the families and friends of the victims.
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Hadn't thought about that. Good possiblity. May they rest in peace!
 
This was all over the news for days on end....this silly-assed, carrot-topped punk just wanted "attention" and make a "name" for himself.....Did he watch too much TV?....Was he lonely or depressed?.....Those questions would be the farthest from my mind. I'm thinking about the lives he destroyed and the families he has hurt.

Crank back up "ol' Sparky"....we are coddling these "thrill-seekers" and wonderers who want to know how it "feels" to kill people.....
 
rockin'robin said:
This was all over the news for days on end....this silly-assed, carrot-topped punk just wanted "attention" and make a "name" for himself.....Did he watch too much TV?....Was he lonely or depressed?.....Those questions would be the farthest from my mind. I'm thinking about the lives he destroyed and the families he has hurt.

Crank back up "ol' Sparky"....we are coddling these "thrill-seekers" and wonderers who want to know how it "feels" to kill people.....
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The news media is the blame for that ,they keep having all kind of mental health experts on TV talking about the shooter having mental illness. And no one has the ability to 'get inside' a killer head to understand 'why' they committed such a horrific crime.
My concerns are of the victims and their families and friends , my thoughts are with them , and I know everyone here is too.
 
rockin'robin said:
This was all over the news for days on end....this silly-assed, carrot-topped punk just wanted "attention" and make a "name" for himself.....Did he watch too much TV?....Was he lonely or depressed?.....Those questions would be the farthest from my mind. I'm thinking about the lives he destroyed and the families he has hurt.

Crank back up "ol' Sparky"....we are coddling these "thrill-seekers" and wonderers who want to know how it "feels" to kill people.....
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hence.. "Battling the Hard Man" written by Benjamin Demott. His paper is about "Pornography of Violence". very sad.
 
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