Man who donated sperm to resist state petition for child support

AlleyCat said:
It's one thing to have a child by accident (poor planning, rape, ineffective protection, etc.) but to actually PLAN a child (there's no way they'll get around "not planning a child" after advertising for a donor) and THEN ask the state to help pay for raising that child? Yes, it's irresponsible. 100%.

It matters none that these parents are gay. They could be green and horizontal.
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Foxrac said:
I disagree with you about using welfare to raise the child is irresponsible and I have no problem for any mothers need welfare to help.

The gay parents are existing, look at this article and the couple is lesbian, but state of Kansas won't recognize two women as legal parent, unlike in California and New York that where gay parents are recognized.

The gay parents already have numerous unfair treatment and they are more poorer than straight parents due to difference in taxes.
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Sounds like good reasons not to become parents.
 
Foxrac said:
Who? gay people? straight people?
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I am saying that the things you said sound like good reasons for not having kids. Kids are very expensive. It is cruel to intentionally have a child if the parents can't afford it.
 
Foxrac said:
Who? gay people? straight people?
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The people who set out to use the child welfare system not as a safety net as it is intended but as a way of life.
Whether or not lesbian couples are seen to be legal parents in Kansas is not the subject here and does not play a part in what these scammers are up to. I do not see anything in the article saying they are taking the baby from this couple.
At present we do not live in a socialist country. That is the real issue here. That and the responsibility of people to be responsibile in our present system. These people in the article show zero interest in being responsible they are just doing what they want and making others pay for it. Fuck that.
 
TXgolfer said:
I am saying that the things you said sound like good reasons for not having kids. Kids are very expensive. It is cruel to intentionally have a child if the parents can't afford it.
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Yes, that's fair reason.

For me, I don't think that I will raise the kids, regardless on marriage, opposite sex or same sex. There are some married couple have no kids, however one member - diehardbiker told me - I never know that I may have kid or not because he had same hope about never have kids in past, but now, he has 2 kids.

Back in more than 50 years, I think you may remember that, the poor families used to had a lot of kids, like my father had 6 brothers (3 died due to health and car accident) and my grandfather had 10 siblings (many are died due to health, car accident, suicided, murdered), they were from poor families. Today, the welfare of children are much better than previous generations.

I was anxious about some members may paint gay parents as bad taste, but I'm glad that you have fair reason. :)
 
goodonya said:
The people who set out to use the child welfare system not as a safety net as it is intended but as a way of life.
Whether or not lesbian couples are seen to be legal parents in Kansas is not the subject here and does not play a part in what these scammers are up to. I do not see anything in the article saying they are taking the baby from this couple.
At present we do not live in a socialist country. That is the real issue here. That and the responsibility of people to be responsibile in our present system. These people in the article show zero interest in being responsible they are just doing what they want and making others pay for it. Fuck that.
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I don't think that state of Kansas will take a child away, unless mother is drugged or neglecting of child, also they are not in Utah because Utah is very pro-adoption state and make more difficult for biological parents to take custody of child after lost.

In Kansas, they see lesbian couple, but only one woman who used man's sperm to be biological since other woman is not legal, so that why they use biological father to take liability to pay child support because he failed to follow the Kansas law - that means he lost the legal protection.

We live in mixed economy country and I don't think socialist was bad thing, but it won't work without integrate the free market into economy like many countries are. There are a lot of mothers relied on assistance to raise the children.
 
Foxrac said:
Yes, that's fair reason.

For me, I don't think that I will raise the kids, regardless on marriage, opposite sex or same sex. There are some married couple have no kids, however one member - diehardbiker told me - I never know that I may have kid or not because he had same hope about never have kids in past, but now, he has 2 kids.

Back in more than 50 years, I think you may remember that, the poor families used to had a lot of kids, like my father had 6 brothers (3 died due to health and car accident) and my grandfather had 10 siblings (many are died due to health, car accident, suicided, murdered), they were from poor families. Today, the welfare of children are much better than previous generations.

I was anxious about some members may paint gay parents as bad taste, but I'm glad that you have fair reason. :)
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Cool! I actually don't have a problem with gay parents at all. Just bad parents.
 
I thought ex-President Reagan cut welfare except food stamp. I remember him saying it's time for those single mothers or parents to find a job. So does our government still give welfare money to poor parents or what?
 
TXgolfer said:
Cool! I actually don't have a problem with gay parents at all. Just bad parents.
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Yes, I agree with you. :)

I'm more concerned about bad parents and any women who abuse the pregnant, so I noticed that pregnant worker at my old workplace and she smoked a lot. I told her - it wasn't good to smoking during pregnancy and she started yell at me - "none of ***** your business", so she told me that she didn't care if her child is die or become disabled due to substance abuse. It was about 5 years ago and I found that her child has some health problems and development problems due to smoking and drugs during pregnancy, so she decided to quit the job until her child become adult.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I thought ex-President Reagan cut welfare except food stamp. I remember him saying it's time for those single mothers or parents to find a job. So does our government still give welfare money to poor parents or what?
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Only for Americans with disabled, especially SSI, but for healthy, single mothers have to find an income from their family, find a part-time job or rely on father (after divorce).
 
NitroHonda said:
Yup. Don't forget about WIC... and free medicaid for their children.
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and Section 8 vouchers too.

I heard about it is very hard to get Section 8 vouchers due to limited funds.
 
Foxrac said:
I don't think that state of Kansas will take a child away, unless mother is drugged or neglecting of child, also they are not in Utah because Utah is very pro-adoption state and make more difficult for biological parents to take custody of child after lost.

In Kansas, they see lesbian couple, but only one woman who used man's sperm to be biological since other woman is not legal, so that why they use biological father to take liability to pay child support because he failed to follow the Kansas law - that means he lost the legal protection.

We live in mixed economy country and I don't think socialist was bad thing, but it won't work without integrate the free market into economy like many countries are. There are a lot of mothers relied on assistance to raise the children.
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There is assistance that comes about in different ways. Their way is bogus. I am not against assistance. You will not hear me complain about the many social programs we have.
 
I think they should just cut off the parents from the state support they're receiving and not hold this man responsible for paying child support. The man for sure has the upper hand in this situation imo. It's a good thing he signed something saying that he had no parental rights to the child so that he has a better case in court.
 
lovezebras said:
I think they should just cut off the parents from the state support they're receiving and not hold this man responsible for paying child support. The man for sure has the upper hand in this situation imo. It's a good thing he signed something saying that he had no parental rights to the child so that he has a better case in court.
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Not really, the sperm donor failed to follow the state law that require him to donate the sperm directly to sperm bank or doctor office to preserve the legal protection. He donated his sperm directly to one woman, that's red alert and he lost the legal protection because fail to follow the law.

Kansas isn't going cut the support for mother's needs, as long as their income meet to limitation, required by law and the sperm donor is in liable for fail to follow the procedure, required by state law.
 
Foxrac said:
Not really, the sperm donor failed to follow the state law that require him to donate the sperm directly to sperm bank or doctor office to preserve the legal protection. He donated his sperm directly to one woman, that's red alert and he lost the legal protection because fail to follow the law.

Kansas isn't going cut the support for mother's needs, as long as their income meet to limitation, required by law and the sperm donor is in liable for fail to follow the procedure, required by state law.
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Why isn't she working?
 
Say what?

...The life partners decided that they didn’t want to stay together for life after all, an unfortunate development for the eight, count ‘em, eight kids they had accumulated during their relationship. Jennifer, the mother of the child who was 50% composed of Marotta’s DNA, decided that she wasn’t even a lesbian any more, and married a man, while the former same-sex couple agreed to jointly parent their brood. Then Jennifer applied for welfare. Bauer, meanwhile, became ill and could no longer provide her share of support for the child. Now stuck with the bill for raising eight children, Kansas began looking for someone else to foot part of the bill, and settled on…William Marotta....
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Ethics Mess In Kansas: The Lesbians and the Sperm Donor | Ethics Alarms

...Angela Bauer, 40, and partner Jennifer Schreiner, 34, placed an ad on the site three years ago for a donor which was answered by William Marotta...

Ms Bauer and Ms Schreiner had been together for eight years and adopted eight children. They ended their relationship in 2010 but continue to co-parent their sons and daughters who range from three months to 25 years old.

The state of Kansas does not recognize same-sex unions, so each of their children was registered for adoption by a single parent....

Moving on: Jennifer Schreiner posted this picture with a man believed to be her new partner since the end of her relationship with Angela Bauer

Read more: Sperm donor ordered to pay child support to lesbian couple despite him giving up rights to the child | Mail Online
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So Schreiner is only 9 years older than one of the adopted kids?
 
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