Mac VS. Pc – The truth illustrated

webexplorer said:
I was surfing on Google, and found another Mac clone unexpectedly. The Apple Company gave up to sue this company, Psystar, because of a patent issue.

What do you think of these two Mac computers?
Psystar Corporation - OpenPro Computer

The prices are a lot cheaper than the Apple's prices. But, what are the pros and cons?
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No, not true, Apple isn't give up to sue on Psystar, also court on both of them will start in fall, without doubtfully, Apple will win the case.
 
jiro123 said:
no it's because there are more than 90% of market are window users. what incentive is there to create mac virus when there are too few mac users? But now mac market is expanding so expect to hear some major breach news anytime soon.
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Not always, OS based on UNIX has less risk of security threat, such as more tighten on security, on Mac OS X, you will asked for password to install everything, including with hidden files or weird stuff that could easily to defect when ask for password then cancel it and program will not installed, XP and Vista don't have same feature but Vista has UAC, that's joke.

Most Linux OS has similar as Mac OS X like that.

I had went in heavily porn website, I got no viruses, worms or infection on Mac OS X but got viruses and infections on XP, haven't test on Vista, I had installed XP at several time and very security holes, I decided switched to Vista, no other choice since I dislike LInux that installed on PC.
 
The Highlander said:
Sorry about your rheumatoid arthritis.

Enough with assume please. There is no $400 for Core Duo. Where you get it from? I am sure it's AMD which cheaper.


Lower price for Core 2 Duo is $700 for BRAND NEW.

Don't forget Macbook do have bluetooth, Wireless N, and built-in webcam.
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Most important to keep eye on Slickdeals.net
Someone found bargain - let everyone know before run out of stock.

That's why I got many free software for Windows. That's part of slickdeals.


I got "opened box" or "defected - AS-IS" laptop from CompUSA (before out of business) and Best Buy but still 100 percent warranty from manufacturer. I helped my foster daughter got laptop for $400 with bad battery. I called manufacturer. They sent us new battery for free. We had to send defected battery back to manufacturer.

Last Spring, I was going to grab Mac laptop from CompUSA. I called Apple Co to make sure warranty cover for missing many keys. They said no cover. Then, I did not take it.

Newegg is in our state. Then, we have to pay sales tax.

Most time, I am fine (not often sore - rheumatoid arthritis). Yesterday, we had company party. They have Nintendo Wii. We played bowling game... feel not comfortable with right shoulder but nothing serious.
 
darkage said:
Most important to keep eye on Slickdeals.net
Someone found bargain - let everyone know before run out of stock.

That's why I got many free software for Windows. That's part of slickdeals.


I got "opened box" or "defected - AS-IS" laptop from CompUSA (before out of business) and Best Buy but still 100 percent warranty from manufacturer. I helped my foster daughter got laptop for $400 with bad battery. I called manufacturer. They sent us new battery for free. We had to send defected battery back to manufacturer.

Last Spring, I was going to grab Mac laptop from CompUSA. I called Apple Co to make sure warranty cover for missing many keys. They said no cover. Then, I did not take it.

Newegg is in our state. Then, we have to pay sales tax.

Most time, I am fine (not often sore - rheumatoid arthritis). Yesterday, we had company party. They have Nintendo Wii. We played bowling game... feel not comfortable with right shoulder but nothing serious.
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You means MacBook or iBook? It seems like rep at apple are joke at you, missing keys on laptop is supposed to be cover by warranty, I can't believe about what Apple are doing like that.
 
jiro123 said:
no it's because there are more than 90% of market are window users. what incentive is there to create mac virus when there are too few mac users? But now mac market is expanding so expect to hear some major breach news anytime soon.
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Then you are in for a big surprise. Most of the viruses make their way into the system through where?

*drumroll*

Internet Explorer!

It has nothing to do with the fact that Windows is the most used OS in the world. It's a bad design that leaves Windows vulnerable to virus attacks.

It was Microsoft's biggest mistake to integrate Internet Explorer with Windows. That's why it's so easy to get infected with a virus while you use Internet Explorer. Safari is a standalone application that has nothing to do with the internal system of OS X. Internet Explorer is a part of Windows' internal system. It's like a back door that can be easily opened by anybody.

When it comes to Microsoft, quality control isn't the first that comes to my mind when I think of them.

Here's a good article on a virus author saying how difficult it is to develop a virus to attack OS X. It's actually a malware, it only replicates itself. The problem is, it's restricted to the directory it is in. So it can't do any damages to the system.

Mac virus author admits coding difficulties: News - Security - ZDNet Australia

From what I know, there are approximately 25 million OS X users. Maybe more. So out of all these users, there's still not a single harmful virus. Care to explain why?

It has nothing to do with the population of users. OS X is apparently well-designed if it has managed to remain virus-free since it was first released around 8 years ago or so.
 
Banjo said:
Then you are in for a big surprise. Most of the viruses make their way into the system through where?

*drumroll*

Internet Explorer!

It has nothing to do with the fact that Windows is the most used OS in the world. It's a bad design that leaves Windows vulnerable to virus attacks.

It was Microsoft's biggest mistake to integrate Internet Explorer with Windows. That's why it's so easy to get infected with a virus while you use Internet Explorer. Safari is a standalone application that has nothing to do with the internal system of OS X. Internet Explorer is a part of Windows' internal system. It's like a back door that can be easily opened by anybody.

When it comes to Microsoft, quality control isn't the first that comes to my mind when I think of them.

Here's a good article on a virus author saying how difficult it is to develop a virus to attack OS X. It's actually a malware, it only replicates itself. The problem is, it's restricted to the directory it is in. So it can't do any damages to the system.

Mac virus author admits coding difficulties: News - Security - ZDNet Australia

From what I know, there are approximately 25 million OS X users. Maybe more. So out of all these users, there's still not a single harmful virus. Care to explain why?

It has nothing to do with the population of users. OS X is apparently well-designed if it has managed to remain virus-free since it was first released around 8 years ago or so.
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You means previous Windows that released before 95, such as Windows 3.1 don't have IE that integrate with OS? Is it means Windows 3.1 has less security threat than newer Windows than 95?
 
Pacman said:
You means previous Windows that released before 95, such as Windows 3.1 don't have IE that integrate with OS? Is it means Windows 3.1 has less security threat than newer Windows than 95?
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If you can access the file system through an application, the viruses can be authored to access them.

It's also why OS X often ask for the password before you install a software that may require some files to be installed deep into the system.
 
Banjo said:
Then you are in for a big surprise. Most of the viruses make their way into the system through where?

*drumroll*

Internet Explorer!

It has nothing to do with the fact that Windows is the most used OS in the world. It's a bad design that leaves Windows vulnerable to virus attacks.

It was Microsoft's biggest mistake to integrate Internet Explorer with Windows. That's why it's so easy to get infected with a virus while you use Internet Explorer. Safari is a standalone application that has nothing to do with the internal system of OS X. Internet Explorer is a part of Windows' internal system. It's like a back door that can be easily opened by anybody.

When it comes to Microsoft, quality control isn't the first that comes to my mind when I think of them.

Here's a good article on a virus author saying how difficult it is to develop a virus to attack OS X. It's actually a malware, it only replicates itself. The problem is, it's restricted to the directory it is in. So it can't do any damages to the system.

Mac virus author admits coding difficulties: News - Security - ZDNet Australia

From what I know, there are approximately 25 million OS X users. Maybe more. So out of all these users, there's still not a single harmful virus. Care to explain why?

It has nothing to do with the population of users. OS X is apparently well-designed if it has managed to remain virus-free since it was first released around 8 years ago or so.
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Looks like the virus creator got :Owned: :rofl:
 
I do forsee mac becoming more and more popular as people get fed up with windows. many buisnesses are going to an all mac environment versus a windows environment. the first reason that comes to mind is security reasons. they are less likely to be affected by viruses that often plague other buisness that the network is all on windows OS.

Not only that to adequately protect yourself against virus and such on windows you would need more than one anti-virus/anti-spyware program to cover all the viruses, whereas on mac, you would need one program, and maybe not even that. right now i am currently running windows vista basic using a celeron M processor. a very basic laptop. no more than what I use it for, it does good. But to protect it I must run ZoneAlarm and AVG and Windows Defender to ensure that viruses are stopped before they destroy the system.

however, should I decide to purchase a new macbook for school I would need to work through compatibility issues such as finding a router that works for winxp,vista, and mac. Getting files from one machine to the other etc. setting the printer up to work with all 3 computers.

but if it ever got to 50/50 then I would see more and more companies offering software and hardware that is compatible for concurrent versions, rather than just a few companies offering a few products that are compatible for both and more companies offering products geared toward Win OS users, and a small amount of companies offering products specifically for Mac OS users thats hard to find.

Mac too a huge step in the right direction by offering their iPods to be compatible with BOTH Mac and Win OS and right now is the largest product offered by Mac and is likely the most profitable since the Mac and iMac. Apple came out on top with that decision. Other companies should follow Apple's example.
 
Pacman said:
You means MacBook or iBook? It seems like rep at apple are joke at you, missing keys on laptop is supposed to be cover by warranty, I can't believe about what Apple are doing like that.
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They did not have any iBook.
iBook is outdate


White Macbook
Pretty many missing keys. Maybe 15 keys or little more than 15 keys.
AppleCare Protection Plan was sold out.

Mini Mac box - defected VGA (not work).

I went home to use VP to call Apple Service. I explained that Macbook was display and Mini Mac (defected VGA).
They told me that Macbook's keyboard is not cover warrarnty.
Then, I prefer not take risk without AppleCare Protection Plan.

They told me that Mini Mac is cover warranty (to replace VGA) but 2 years old "out of date".

I checked mini mac $$ at ebay and craigslist vs CompUSA. Not much different price.

Went back to CompUSA. Told them that I will not take any Apple. Let someone grab it.
 
darkage said:
They did not have any iBook.
iBook is outdate


White Macbook
Pretty many missing keys. Maybe 15 keys or little more than 15 keys.
AppleCare Protection Plan was sold out.

Mini Mac box - defected VGA (not work).

I went home to use VP to call Apple Service. I explained that Macbook was display and Mini Mac (defected VGA).
They told me that Macbook's keyboard is not cover warrarnty.
Then, I prefer not take risk without AppleCare Protection Plan.

They told me that Mini Mac is cover warranty (to replace VGA) but 2 years old "out of date".

I checked mini mac $$ at ebay and craigslist vs CompUSA. Not much different price.

Went back to CompUSA. Told them that I will not take any Apple. Let someone grab it.
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Yup, iBook was discontinued in early 2006 and replaced into MacBook due transition of PPC to Intel, G4 iBook is just slow like P4 based PC notebook.
 
jiro123 said:
ah-ha.... you meant windows server 2008... interesting choice for desktop purpose. why?
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Heheh. I like Windows server 2008 over Vista for speed. I am pretty good with Windows 2003 but no DX10 supports so I pick Windows 2008.
 
darkage said:
They did not have any iBook.
iBook is outdate


White Macbook
Pretty many missing keys. Maybe 15 keys or little more than 15 keys.
AppleCare Protection Plan was sold out.

Mini Mac box - defected VGA (not work).

I went home to use VP to call Apple Service. I explained that Macbook was display and Mini Mac (defected VGA).
They told me that Macbook's keyboard is not cover warrarnty.
Then, I prefer not take risk without AppleCare Protection Plan.

They told me that Mini Mac is cover warranty (to replace VGA) but 2 years old "out of date".

I checked mini mac $$ at ebay and craigslist vs CompUSA. Not much different price.

Went back to CompUSA. Told them that I will not take any Apple. Let someone grab it.
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It's Mac Mini, not Mini Mac. I don't think Mac Mini have VGA. YOu mean DVI?
 
The Highlander said:
Heheh. I like Windows server 2008 over Vista for speed. I am pretty good with Windows 2003 but no DX10 supports so I pick Windows 2008.
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hmmm.... interesting... using windows 2008 as desktop when it's actually for server purpose. Now i'm intrigued. I should try it out for myself
 
Dixie said:
I do forsee mac becoming more and more popular as people get fed up with windows. many buisnesses are going to an all mac environment versus a windows environment. the first reason that comes to mind is security reasons. they are less likely to be affected by viruses that often plague other buisness that the network is all on windows OS.

Not only that to adequately protect yourself against virus and such on windows you would need more than one anti-virus/anti-spyware program to cover all the viruses, whereas on mac, you would need one program, and maybe not even that. right now i am currently running windows vista basic using a celeron M processor. a very basic laptop. no more than what I use it for, it does good. But to protect it I must run ZoneAlarm and AVG and Windows Defender to ensure that viruses are stopped before they destroy the system.

however, should I decide to purchase a new macbook for school I would need to work through compatibility issues such as finding a router that works for winxp,vista, and mac. Getting files from one machine to the other etc. setting the printer up to work with all 3 computers.

but if it ever got to 50/50 then I would see more and more companies offering software and hardware that is compatible for concurrent versions, rather than just a few companies offering a few products that are compatible for both and more companies offering products geared toward Win OS users, and a small amount of companies offering products specifically for Mac OS users thats hard to find.

Mac too a huge step in the right direction by offering their iPods to be compatible with BOTH Mac and Win OS and right now is the largest product offered by Mac and is likely the most profitable since the Mac and iMac. Apple came out on top with that decision. Other companies should follow Apple's example.
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If Mac becomes more used than PCs, then Macs will become a bigger target for virus than PCs.
 
VamPyroX said:
If Mac becomes more used than PCs, then Macs will become a bigger target for virus than PCs.
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It won't. Virus programmers have tried making viruses for Mac OS X and it doesn't work as well. They say it's harder to program and the security in Mac OS X is tougher and the virus they make will not damage the computer....simply will corrupt the file system in part of the OS. It was already posted earlier in this thread.
 
sequoias said:
It won't. Virus programmers have tried making viruses for Mac OS X and it doesn't work as well. They say it's harder to program and the security in Mac OS X is tougher and the virus they make will not damage the computer....simply will corrupt the file system in part of the OS. It was already posted earlier in this thread.
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The thing is, viruses often require an internet browser that is integrated with the operating system to make some serious damages to the file system. That's where Apple got it right. They were wise enough to not make Safari an integrated application within the operating system or the file system.

That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand. They think it's because Windows is the most used OS that makes it the easiest to target. Fact is, it's not because of that. It's because Windows is a weak OS to start with because of how it is designed.

I'll rather use an UNIX-based OS any day over Microsoft Windows after many years of using both.
 
Banjo said:
The thing is, viruses often require an internet browser that is integrated with the operating system to make some serious damages to the file system. That's where Apple got it right. They were wise enough to not make Safari an integrated application within the operating system or the file system.

That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand. They think it's because Windows is the most used OS that makes it the easiest to target. Fact is, it's not because of that. It's because Windows is a weak OS to start with because of how it is designed.

I'll rather use an UNIX-based OS any day over Microsoft Windows after many years of using both.
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Yep, that makes perfect sense. If they intergrated it into the OS, they can make virus to access the file system and damage the computer.
 
sequoias said:
It won't. Virus programmers have tried making viruses for Mac OS X and it doesn't work as well. They say it's harder to program and the security in Mac OS X is tougher and the virus they make will not damage the computer....simply will corrupt the file system in part of the OS. It was already posted earlier in this thread.
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Yeah unless Virus programmers make a virus that can pick up the password for Mac OS X, to be able to install virus automatic. I hope this won't happens for sure.
 
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