Calif. Governor Has No Mercy for Deaf & Blind Elderly Inmate ???

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Fri Jan 13, 6:32 PM ET

SAN FRANCISCO - California's oldest death row inmate — a 75-year-old who is legally blind and nearly deaf — is asking the
U.S. Supreme Court to do something it has never done before: block an execution because of the condemned man's advanced age and infirmity.

Clarence Ray Allen's attorneys contend that executing a feeble old man amounts to cruel and unusual punishment banned by the U.S. Constitution.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Friday denied Allen clemency. Barring a last-minute reprieve by the courts, the governor's decision means Allen will become the second-oldest person put to death since the U.S. Supreme Court allowed capital punishment to resume in 1976.

He is set to die by injection Tuesday for ordering three slayings while behind bars for another murder.

Allen, who turns 76 on the eve of his execution, has been on death row for more than 23 years. He often uses a wheelchair and had to be resuscitated after suffering a heart attack last year at San Quentin Prison.

"The spectacle of Mr. Allen being wheeled into the death chamber, unable to walk and unable to see those who have come to witness his execution, violates all standards of decency and would amount to nothing more than the purposeless and needless imposition of pain and suffering prohibited by the Eighth Amendment," said Annette Carnegie, one of Allen's attorneys.

Schwarzenegger said Allen's age and health did not matter and noted that he committed his crimes at the age of 50. "His conduct did not result from youth or inexperience, but instead resulted from the hardened and calculating decisions of a mature man."

Allen's death sentence has been delayed by 23 years of appeals. He "should not escape the jury's punishment because our system works deliberately and carefully," Schwarzenegger said.

In his two years in office, Schwarzenegger has denied three petitions for clemency based on claims of innocence, mental incompetence, and good behavior or good deeds in prison. The last time a California governor granted clemency was in 1967, when Gov.
Ronald Reagan spared a mentally ill killer.

The Supreme Court has said it is cruel and unusual to execute the mentally retarded, those who are so mentally incompetent they do not understand they are about to be executed or why, and inmates who killed when they were juveniles.

But the high court has never stopped an execution because of an inmate's advanced age or physical infirmities.

Sparing Allen could open the way for similar legal challenges from other sickly death row inmates. At the same time, some defense attorneys fear that if Allen prevails, states may restrict death row appeals — for example, by setting firmer filing deadlines — to prevent inmates from trying to run out the clock.

Prosecutors are fighting Allen's last-ditch appeal.

"The U.S. Supreme Court has never spoken to an exception to an upper age limit or a physical illness," said prosecutor Ward Campbell. "As a result, there is no case law from the United States Supreme Court compelling the courts to grant a reprieve."

The California Supreme Court denied similar claims by Allen on Tuesday.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2004 refused to block the execution of James Hubbard, 74, of Alabama despite his claims of advanced age and mental incompetence.

In Mississippi last month, John B. Nixon Sr., 77, became the oldest inmate executed since capital punishment was reinstated in this country. He did not base his appeals on his age.

"We carefully considered it," said his lawyer, Brian Toohey. "There was no case law backing us up." However, Nixon did ask Gov. Haley Barbour for clemency because of his age.

The brother of one of Allen's victims said the arguments in favor of sparing the killer's life are nonsensical. Robert Rocha — whose sister, Josephine, was murdered at a Fresno market in 1980 by a hitman Allen hired — said Allen's repeated appeals are the only reason he is old and frail.

"Mr. Allen feels he is too old to die," Rocha said. "We feel Josephine was too young to die. She was only 17 when she was taken from us and murdered."

Allen was among California's first convicts condemned after the death penalty was reinstated here in 1977. He has been on death row since 1982.

Allen was serving time for murder when he ordered the three slayings because he feared the victims' testimony would hurt the success of his appeal, prosecutors said. Allen's hired hit man, Billy Ray Hamilton, was also sentenced to death.

Regardless of whether Allen is successful, legal experts predict such claims will be repeated by other condemned inmates, especially in California, where the nation's largest and most backlogged death row has an aging population.

California's death row houses five men older than 70; 34 are ages 60 to 69. Viva Leroy Nash, 90, of Arizona is the nation's oldest death row inmate. No execution date has been set.

The average age of the nation's condemned prisoners is 41, and the average stay on death row is a decade, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113/ap_on_re_us/california_execution_7
Calif. Governor Has No Mercy for Inmate - Yahoo! News
 
Endymion said:
*cough*tookie*cough*

Yeah but look Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is not gonna let criminals play games in his home state.

Here are excerpts....

Schwarzenegger said Allen's age and health did not matter and noted that he committed his crimes at the age of 50. "His conduct did not result from youth or inexperience, but instead resulted from the hardened and calculating decisions of a mature man."
 
The brother of one of Allen's victims said the arguments in favor of sparing the killer's life are nonsensical. Robert Rocha — whose sister, Josephine, was murdered at a Fresno market in 1980 by a hitman Allen hired — said Allen's repeated appeals are the only reason he is old and frail.

"Mr. Allen feels he is too old to die," Rocha said. "We feel Josephine was too young to die. She was only 17 when she was taken from us and murdered."
Time to quit stalling and carry out the sentence.

Josephine will never see old age. :(
 
Amen! Once a criminal do the serious, horrible crime then this crimial SHOULD lose all rights, PERIOD! Where's rights for victims? That is where I am very pissed off at! Victim don't have much rights like crooks do! ENOUGH!


Reba said:
Time to quit stalling and carry out the sentence.

Josephine will never see old age. :(
 
I've never been in favor of the death penalty, because it accomplishes nothing. Look at the case this past week. A man who was executed years ago, no declared innocent because the dna didn't match. So, that family is out and VICTIMIZED by incompetent attorneys. Now, if they had a death penalty phase for ALL the attorneys, jurors and judges for that one, by golly, I'm behind that 100%!! :thumb:
 
pek1 said:
I've never been in favor of the death penalty, because it accomplishes nothing. Look at the case this past week. A man who was executed years ago, no declared innocent because the dna didn't match. So, that family is out and VICTIMIZED by incompetent attorneys. Now, if they had a death penalty phase for ALL the attorneys, jurors and judges for that one, by golly, I'm behind that 100%!! :thumb:

Holy crap, we actually agree on something. I'm not against the death penalty but agree with rest LOL
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Amen! Once a criminal do the serious, horrible crime then this crimial SHOULD lose all rights, PERIOD! Where's rights for victims? That is where I am very pissed off at! Victim don't have much rights like crooks do! ENOUGH!

Hear, hear....Ditto to that!

I have no sympathy for the criminal whatsoever. He can fry for all I care. The victim of his crimes is more important than him. The criminal's health doesn't have a darn thing to do with it.
 
pek1 said:
I've never been in favor of the death penalty, because it accomplishes nothing. Look at the case this past week. A man who was executed years ago, no declared innocent because the dna didn't match. So, that family is out and VICTIMIZED by incompetent attorneys. Now, if they had a death penalty phase for ALL the attorneys, jurors and judges for that one, by golly, I'm behind that 100%!! :thumb:

I thought of that too to use on people who execute people declared innocent. Declare them to be murderers. :ugh2:
 
pek1 said:
I've never been in favor of the death penalty, because it accomplishes nothing. Look at the case this past week. A man who was executed years ago, no declared innocent because the dna didn't match. So, that family is out and VICTIMIZED by incompetent attorneys. Now, if they had a death penalty phase for ALL the attorneys, jurors and judges for that one, by golly, I'm behind that 100%!! :thumb:

I second that, I'm not in favor of death penalty either, I think life in prison is enough punishment to me then putting someone to death, it just plain cruel....

That's my opinion!
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Prison term, enough punishment? I don't think so! I have met several people who went to jail, they all said they don't mind go back again. It is no big deal, I said WTF? They giving them free rent, free food, and allowing them do NOTHING in prison. They even said they don't mind cause it is alot easier in prison than out in the world.

We DO need correctional reform BIG time, and get back to hard labor camp. Im in favor of execution when clearly coincidence that this person is truly guilty.
 
I would rather see death penalty be replaced with expendable labor in dangerous jobs like deep mines, war zones, and even train them to be commandos to be sent to take over other countries.

Richard
 
Nesmuth said:
I would rather see death penalty be replaced with expendable labor in dangerous jobs like deep mines, war zones, and even train them to be commandos to be sent to take over other countries.

Richard

Yeah , and then when the commandos come home from the war. If they commit crimes. No leniency for them. That was their window of chance and an opporounity to have a clean slate and a good start then they used their military training in the wrong way.

Here is an example of the wrong way to use military training.

This is the only video clip in existence that I could find on the subject of using military training the wrong way.


Caution graphic violence :

A criminal gang member turned soldier returning from Iraq ulitilizes his superb U.S. Marine rifle marksmanship training with an illegally modified SKS rifle and shoots to kill the police by calling 911 and saying that he was shot then drawing the police into a suicide by cop shootout next to a liquor store. Give the video clip time to load. God Bless the police officers and their families.

Here is the survillence video from the shootout.


Video clip was taken off by request. Too graphic and shocking.

Hard Labor could be another choice.
 
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Nesmuth said:
I would rather see death penalty be replaced with expendable labor in dangerous jobs like deep mines, war zones, and even train them to be commandos to be sent to take over other countries.

Richard

No! Those jobs are already dangerous enough without having to bring on board people who don't want to be there!

1) Dangerous jobs with dangerous criminals equals increased risk for those who are already there doing the job for whatever reason, to support their families, to use their skills, and to make it as safe as possible for everyone else there. Adding a criminal who doesn't have the skills nor the desire to be there will make those legitmate workers unsafe. Downward spiral, my man.

2) War zones? No way. Criminals who go into war zones are simply given another means of turning against their own country. Do you want to be the person or to have your family members have to rely upon a convicted murder for their own safety? The military needs people who respect the chain of command. Instead, you're giving people who don't respect authority a loaded gun, a means of escape, and a way of getting even with the people who put them in jail.

3) "Specially trained commandos" are specially trained because they WANTED TO be specially trained. All SpecOps commandos are voluntary. They risk their lives because they want to be the "best of the best." Not because Uncle Sam told them, "You go out and fight, or you die." Threatening someone with their life is only going to get you cooperation until you remove the threat for one second. In that one second, you'll be dead.

No. Criminals should be given a choice if they want to do something to better society, but not in ways that would be turned back on us. Building cheap furniture is risky if they can remove the sharp tools and use them as weapons. Building roads presents a flight risk. Making big rocks into smaller rocks is silly when we have machines that do the work faster and the rocks more uniform, more even, than any human can.
 
Dennis said:
No! Those jobs are already dangerous enough without having to bring on board people who don't want to be there!...
:gpost:
The military don't want criminals in their midst. Movies (a la The Dirty Dozen) aren't real life. :D
 
ITPjohn said:
There have been two cases recently where DNA had an impact. I think that pek1 may have mixed them up or be talking about another case.

DNA clears FL man of 1981 rape, robbery

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060114..._9vzwcF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

DNA tests confirm executed VA man guilty

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060113...o8EcP8A;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl


I think you are right. And if it is a different case I would like to see the link as I am very interested in the subject.
 
He murdered someone and went to jail. He then ordered the murder of more people in jail. That's obvious that he never learned. And... he wants us to take it easy on him?
 
Awww, poor this old blind and deaf man does not desrve to die in gas chamber. Forget it. He deserves to die for taking people's life away.
 
^Angel^ said:
I second that, I'm not in favor of death penalty either, I think life in prison is enough punishment to me then putting someone to death, it just plain cruel....

That's my opinion!
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ITPjohn,

I don't recall if the first one was the case or not, neither the second.

On another note, however, for life imprisonment, it would NOT be a picnic and free Internet access. I believe those who have murdered should have at least one picture of the person they have killed to be placed in a conspicuous place and be required to look at it daily. Prison should be exactly that: Punishment and no pizza.
 
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