Deaf children and hearing parents...why don't the parents learn sl?

[shel90]

I'm sorry, but in my opinion telling someone "I guess he's ok in your book because he was anti-oral" is making a huge generalized statement by assuming that just because some idiot said that that all anti-oral people would agree with him.

No kidding!

 

[shel90]

Likewise, calling people "anti-oral" is ridicuals. There is no on on this forum that is "anti-oral" and all have admitted that oral skills are valuable tothe deaf and should be pursued to the extent that the deaf indiviudal is capable of mastering them. We have only said that sign should be included as a communication mode and teaching methodology. Being opposed to an oral only environment, and being anti-oral are two very different things. The oral only supporters fail to recognize that.

LOL! Anti-oral.....maybe anti-oral ONLY would be the more appropriate term.

 

[shel90]

Cloggy - Not all deaf/hoh people want or need to be part of Deaf Culture/Community. For example: I have a deaf neighbour, he has a CI, he is employed for the forestry industry. He is fluent in the English language as well as French. There is a population of approximately 600 Deaf adults, in arms reach, immersed in Deaf culture through their community. He chooses not to be part of this group.

Does he subscribe to the popular text book version of Deaf culture, no. Suggesting that in his home is deaf culture, well imo, that is really stretching it.

They are adults. We are talking about children and giving them alllllllll the tools even your CS so they can make that choice as an adult on whether to continue to use all of them or not.

I was forced to be oral only and had no idea how wonderful sign language could have been for me. Maybe if I was given that exposure I wouldnt be so resistant about getting myself into a non-signing environment from time to time. I choose to avoid it at all costs ..if I had a healthy balance of both maybe I wouldnt feel that way about being in an oral-only environment from time to time.

Ironically, the oral only approach itself was the cause of my personal rejection of it. Go figure!!!

 

[loml]

Again, you are stretching it by using one example to generalize to a population. And you are also talking about an adult, no doubt a post lingual, who is able to make decisions for himself. Totally irrelevent to the topic of deaf children.

Please stop attempting to divert the topic with these irrelevent examples.

jillio - I was not generalizing; I was simply giving an example of "someone". The fact that he is a deaf adult shows quite clearly that he does not want to be part of Deaf Culture, not everyone does. Simply being deaf in and of itself does not make one part of Deaf culture.

I am making a point. You cannot discredit that person’s experience, their reality and being a psychology major in counseling, you should be very aware of this. You might not believe them, but it does not make lessen the experience.

 

[shel90]

jillio - I was not generalizing; I was simply giving an example of "someone". The fact that he is a deaf adult shows quite clearly that he does not want to be part of Deaf Culture, not everyone does. Simply being deaf in and of itself does not make one part of Deaf culture.

I am making a point. You cannot discredit that person’s experience, their reality and being a psychology major in counseling, you should be very aware of this. You might not believe them, but it does not make lessen the experience.

I understand that not all deaf adults are interested in Deaf culture or sign language but we are talking about deaf children. Shouldnt they be provided exposure to both worlds so that way they have knowledge about the Deaf community instead of being clueless about it like I was?

 

[loml]

I understand that not all deaf adults are interested in Deaf culture or sign language but we are talking about deaf children. Shouldnt they be provided exposure to both worlds so that way they have knowledge about the Deaf community instead of being clueless about it like I was?

shel90- I agree that they should be provided the opportunity, if available to them. However, one deaf person is not Deaf culture.

 

[shel90]

shel90- I agree that they should be provided the opportunity, if available to them. However, one deaf person is not Deaf culture.

If they grew up with it, then yea it could be cuz they can teach the other deaf person or persons about Deaf culture. Also, nothing wrong with deaf people meeting each other and sharing that connection. Why not for the same with children? Why do they have to be with only hearing people? That one I will never ever understand.

 

[loml]

If they grew up with it, then yea it could be cuz they can teach the other deaf person or persons about Deaf culture. Also, nothing wrong with deaf people meeting each other and sharing that connection. Why not for the same with children? Why do they have to be with only hearing people? That one I will never ever understand.

shel90 - One deaf person is not Deaf culture. I believe that the answers to your questions can be found within the various Deaf communities themselves.

Presentation is everything.

 

[rick48]

...yet he hangs out on a deaf message board. Something tells me he is trying harder to convince himsself of his claims that anyone else.

Funny, some would say the same thing about a hearing woman who has a deaf adult child without a cochlear implant who constantly visits and posts in cochlear implant forums.

 

[rick48]

jillio - I was not generalizing; I was simply giving an example of "someone". The fact that he is a deaf adult shows quite clearly that he does not want to be part of Deaf Culture, not everyone does. Simply being deaf in and of itself does not make one part of Deaf culture.

I am making a point. You cannot discredit that person’s experience, their reality and being a psychology major in counseling, you should be very aware of this. You might not believe them, but it does not make lessen the experience.

loml,

I guess jillio is her own example of the hearing disrespecting the deaf.
Rick

 

[rick48]

JT says,

"No, Cloggy. You don't have to pick up, relocate, move. You only have to be willing to make an effeort. Of course, relocating is always an option. Is that too much to do for your child? You have to begin, however, by taking your head out of the sand.
Until you are willing to do that, you will not see what is right in front of you. You are just falling back on more of the excuses that hearing parents use. Thanks for offering some answers to the OP's question."

Cloggy does see what is right in front of him: his daughter who is growing up to be at least tri-lingual in her family, in her neighborhood and a vital part of both.

Making a well informed and reasoned decision in the best interests of your child is never an excuse, however, constantly attacking those who chose a path that differs from the one you chose for your child is evidence of the insecurities over your own decision.

 

[Bebonang]

loml,

I guess jillio is her own example of the hearing disrespecting the deaf.
Rick

Just to inform you that Jillio is a male who has a Deaf son and they communicate with ASL. I don't understand your comment about his own example of the hearing disrespecting the deaf. He is helping us about our Deaf Culture, Deaf Communities and using the ASL with all Deaf people. He is not disrespecting the deaf. You are going to have to clarify what you mean that phrase in the quote.

 

[shel90]

Just to inform you that Jillio is a male who has a Deaf son and they communicate with ASL. I don't understand your comment about his own example of the hearing disrespecting the deaf. He is helping us about our Deaf Culture, Deaf Communities and using the ASL with all Deaf people. He is not disrespecting the deaf. You are going to have to clarify what you mean that phrase in the quote.

I bust out laughing cuz Jillo is not a male. I dont know why I found that funny. I guess it is cuz I am laughing at Jillo and Rick's usual bickering. It is a comedy between both of them. LOL!

I am tired and as I stated before, when I am tired, I become silly.


Jillo is a female. LOL!

 

[shel90]

JT says,

"No, Cloggy. You don't have to pick up, relocate, move. You only have to be willing to make an effeort. Of course, relocating is always an option. Is that too much to do for your child? You have to begin, however, by taking your head out of the sand.
Until you are willing to do that, you will not see what is right in front of you. You are just falling back on more of the excuses that hearing parents use. Thanks for offering some answers to the OP's question."

Cloggy does see what is right in front of him: his daughter who is growing up to be at least tri-lingual in her family, in her neighborhood and a vital part of both.

Making a well informed and reasoned decision in the best interests of your child is never an excuse, however, constantly attacking those who chose a path that differs from the one you chose for your child is evidence of the insecurities over your own decision.

FYI..by saying "JT" is considered a form of cyberbullying. U cant do that. If u dont agree with her, simply say so but by threatening her with made up initials is crossing the line. Just my 2 cents. If I found out who u really are and was using your personal information on a public forum without your contenst, I am sure u would report me.

 

[Bebonang]

I bust out laughing cuz Jillo is not a male. I dont know why I found that funny. I guess it is cuz I am laughing at Jillo and Rick's usual bickering. It is a comedy between both of them. LOL!

I am tired and as I stated before, when I am tired, I become silly.


Jillo is a female. LOL!

op: sorry about that mistake and I thought Jillio is the male but I guess my mind have gone astray. I am glad that you think I make the remark very funny. Thank you. I am not a comedian and never have told a good joke if I could help it. Again, I apologize.

 

[shel90]

op: sorry about that mistake and I thought Jillio is the male but I guess my mind have gone astray. I am glad that you think I make the remark very funny. Thank you. I am not a comedian and never have told a good joke if I could help it. Again, I apologize.

I am a comedian by heart...I dont take a lot of things too seriously sometimes.

Dont apologize..we all make those mistakes from time to time. I thought Audio fuzzy was a guy until someone pointed it out and a few people made that into something about not respecting her. I was like "huh?" Ok whatever!! LOL!

 

[loml]

No, you need to be educated regarding the issues of language acquisition and cognitive psychology to which you attempt to apply CS. You've got the rhetoric memorized well. What you are lacking is knowledge that allows you to effectively apply such with any degree of credibility.

jillio - I am not sure why you seem to have difficulty with this. You profess to be knowlegable regarding Cued Speech is and yet you ask these questions. I shall do my best to meet your needs here jillio, although I do not expect even this to satisfy you.

Explain, please, from a linguistic perspective exactly how cueing is multi-modal.

1. multimodal: more than one mode.

2. mode: a method.


You have also claimed that it is kinesthetic. So, please, from a linguistic standpoint, please explain to us the foundation for these claims.

1. kinesthestic - quite simply the sensation of movement

Likewise, please explain how it is that CS changes the syntax of a language, thus making it a suitable representation for visual processing.

There is no need because cueing is processed in the "auditory" cortex of the brain. Why is that? I cannot answer that scientifically jillio, but my offer still stands if you wish to have contact information for the individuals from the MRI research.

I anxiously await your reply.

 

[jillio]

Side note: I know, I have been absent for a long while, but I am still alive.


on topic: Cloggy, I live in a town that is 20,000 people small, and am able to tell you where in that town a good half of the Deaf community is and keep track of Deaf culture, and all that from one hour of actually ASKING around. There are plenty of ways to find out, whether through local RID/NAD branches, church Deaf ministries (and I don't mean the ones that make up the signs. I am talking about those who are either certified interpreters or interns going to college in preparation to certify), sometimes Starbucks and Books-a-million host Deaf events.

Do you just not want to try? or do you live in Dyess, Arkansas (population: 60) and have no access to the outside world. From the pictures in your daughter/your blog, you live in suburbia somewhere. Most Anywhere that is big enough to have suburbs has a Deaf community, as far as I have seen (emphasis on the MOST, making it not an absolute statement).

Seek and you shall find. It isn't like they are going to see that you are hearing and summarily ostracize you. So you run the risk of getting told no, but you won't know until you try.

PS: If your language limits your world, what does that mean about you? Are you limiting yourself to the hearing world or will you learn sign language and expand your horizons?

 

[loml]

FYI..by saying "JT" is considered a form of cyberbullying. U cant do that. If u dont agree with her, simply say so but by threatening her with made up initials is crossing the line. Just my 2 cents. If I found out who u really are and was using your personal information on a public forum without your contenst, I am sure u would report me.

shel90 - How can made up intials possibly become a threat?

 

[jillio]

jillio - I was not generalizing; I was simply giving an example of "someone". The fact that he is a deaf adult shows quite clearly that he does not want to be part of Deaf Culture, not everyone does. Simply being deaf in and of itself does not make one part of Deaf culture.

I am making a point. You cannot discredit that person’s experience, their reality and being a psychology major in counseling, you should be very aware of this. You might not believe them, but it does not make lessen the experience.

We are discussing hearing parents and deaf children, loml. Try to stick to the topic. And I am not a psychology major...I am a Ph.D. candidate.