How to solve courtroom injustice?

[Maria]

We are still there...

Not very many. Once they damage the " good " people for what they didn't do, it will affect their " good " to turn into bad. Some could become mean, some could become " don't care ", and so on. I don't think it's good to me to see this to happen to good people. By damagin', it could affect their personality, character and all mentally. They will never be the same.

 

[Byrdie714]

Oh, yeah....if I'm sitting in jail, I got plenty time and freedom to go lawyer shopping!

If you are sitting in jail with nothing else to do, you got the time.

 

[jillio]

I did. I don't live in Ohio anymore. I took the Washington State bar exam and passed. The only "lawyering" I do now is for end of life matters.

And in order to take the bar exam, you must have received a JD from an accredited school. You atill are not answering....was that Capital or Ohio State?

Also, in a different thread you stated that you were born and raised in Ohio, and lived in that state for 20 years. How in the world did you finish law school at an age that the vast majority of people have not even completed their undergraduate degree? If you only lived in Ohio for 20 years, having been born there, you would have had to graduate from law school in Ohio by the age of 20.

 

[Byrdie714]

What does your age have to do with anything?

Which school did you receive your JD from? OSU or Capital? I know much of the faculty at OSU, and have several friends who are grads of Capital.

Care to pm me with your info such as graduation date, etc? Oh, and when and where you took the boards?

Sorry--I am not going to be victim of IDENTITY THEFT!

Unless you care to tell me your credentials first? If not--no deal.

 

[jillio]

See the below post.

I graduated from OSU and Capital. One can get a law degree from OSU and specialize law degree from Capital. Didn't they teach you that? Guess not.

I asked you where you received your JD? Didn't they teach you that you need a JD to sit for the bar? And receiving a certifcate for specialization is not a degree. So, according to you, you attended law school at OSU, and received a degree, and you received a cerrificate of specialization from Capital. And what focus area was your specialization certification in? Captal's standard procedure is to issue certification only to those who are attending their law school and receiving their JD from that institution. Likewise with OSU. OSU offeres coursework leading to specialization in addition to the JD. So why would you attend 2 different universities when you could have gotten exactly the same at either one?

Let's try it this way....what was the name of the degree that you received from OSU, and what was the title of the certification you received from Capital?

 

[jillio]

Sorry--I am not going to be victim of IDENTITY THEFT!

Unless you care to tell me your credentials first? If not--no deal.

Sweetie, I don't think you even know what your identity is.......if I got ahold of it, I guarantee you I would give it back so you could figure out exactly who you are.

 

[jillio]

If you are sitting in jail with nothing else to do, you got the time.

Sure. They let you make phone calls all over town asking for consultations with lawyers, and then they give you a ride to the appointment.

You really do live in a fantasy world.

 

[Bear]

Do you think your son appreciates his story being told on-line? Did you ask him if it was okay?

For your information, yes I did. He agrees with me that such injustices need to be brought to life. He told me in his own words, he wouldnt mind so much suffering all these years as he did in the system, if something good can come out of it.

I warned him that there could be backlash from it. I also warned him, that if anyone close to the caswe read his story online, that things could become harder for him.

I don't do ANYTHING that would concern my kids without discussing it with them first. That includes a move, that includes buying a new car, that includes *when I was single* a new bf, and that also includes talking about them online.

Now just what kind of mother would I be, if I posted my son's story on the internet without fully discussing it with him? We discussed this for months together before I actually did it. Thus giving him time to change his mind.

My son hopes that by telling his story, that someday we may be able to save another child from going through what he did. And I say, kudos to him for being brave enough to share his story.

 

[Angel]

@ Bear, you and your son have my support 100%!

 

[Bear]

@ Bear, you and your son have my support 100%!

Angel I just take offense when someone automatically assumes I posted my son's story without talking to him.

My goodness my son was taken 4 years ago, and we are just NOW posting his story? Doesnt that just SCREAM the fact that we debated on it for a long time?

 

[Byrdie714]

I asked you where you received your JD? Didn't they teach you that you need a JD to sit for the bar? And receiving a certifcate for specialization is not a degree. So, according to you, you attended law school at OSU, and received a degree, and you received a cerrificate of specialization from Capital. And what focus area was your specialization certification in? Captal's standard procedure is to issue certification only to those who are attending their law school and receiving their JD from that institution. Likewise with OSU. OSU offeres coursework leading to specialization in addition to the JD. So why would you attend 2 different universities when you could have gotten exactly the same at either one?

Let's try it this way....what was the name of the degree that you received from OSU, and what was the title of the certification you received from Capital?[/QUOTE]

I've already told you. Let's try it this way....maybe it's time for you to clean your computer screen or go see an ophthalmologist.

 

[Byrdie714]

Sweetie, I don't think you even know what your identity is.......if I got ahold of it, I guarantee you I would give it back so you could figure out exactly who you are.

Whatever.

 

[Byrdie714]

Sure. They let you make phone calls all over town asking for consultations with lawyers, and then they give you a ride to the appointment.

You really do live in a fantasy world.

Oh you are funny! :roll:

 

[Cheri]

Byrdie714

Does it matter if she did asked him or not, the point is she's with her son, not against her son and the justice system sold her son out, who is wrongly convicted of sex offense. Can you just imagine how many tears running down her face knowing that justice was broken for her son?

Personally, I would like to see the system actually turned into what it is supposed to be, by doing it the right way and enough with the false accusations.

 

[Byrdie714]

Byrdie714

Does it matter if she did asked him or not, the point is she's with her son, not against her son and the justice system sold her son out, who is wrongly convicted of sex offense. Can you just imagine how many tears running down her face knowing that justice was broken for her son?

Personally, I would like to see the system actually turned into what it is supposed to be, by doing it the right way and enough with the false accusations.

Thanks for the slap Cheri!

The reason why I asked her if her son knew that she was posting on here was because from a male perspective, if I was her son, I wouldn't want my business posted on-line for millions to read.

 

[Angel]

The reason why I asked her if her son knew that she was posting on here was because from a male perspective, if I was her son, I wouldn't want my business posted on-line for millions to read.

Do you know what hurts more than the loss of an innocent child?, is the silence, the court and police whom refused to believe a 12 years old child is innocent, nor had investigated the case thoroughly, there's no evidences, nothing and do you have any idea how a child would feel when he wakes up from a nightmare being in a strange place that is not home? Bear did everything that these clowns have told her to do, yet they still refuse to reopen her son's case or relase him. Bear went through emotional distress in all these years just for the hope of having her son back in her arms again, there's no words can express what this mother and her son are going through. It is very hard to see my dear friend struggling alone yet, she would have gave everything she had just to bring her son back home again. I dunno how difficult it is for mother to deal with all of this? Her son could be on the sex offender list for a really long time, he may never be allowed to have a job that deals with children, an accusation to make someones life a total hell.

Laws need to be changed, I know it's may be a long shot, but we have to do something before it gets any worse. They can not hear one voice in the crowd, so we all need to stand up and take action by protecting these innocent children!!

 

[Bear]

I just wanna say to both Angel and Cheri.


Byrdie, my son and I thoroughly discussed whether if we wanted to bring attention to his case or not.

My son realizes that he will be regarded for the rest of his life as a sex offender. I protected his identity as well as I could while posting the story. I changed every name within the story to try to protect those involved.

I could post the court papers. I could post the evidence that they used to convict my son on. I have nothing to hide here. The facts of the case are the facts of the case. There was no sugar coating to make him look innocent.

The thing of it is, my son had a lot of problems that I was already seeking help for. My son far from being innocent in other matters. But this is one thing that I do believe he is innocent in.

There was another little boy that was my room mates son, he was very close to my son, they were like brothers. Well this little boy lives with my son's grandfather and the grandmother of the child that accused my son.

When my son's grandfather finally visited him a few months back. The other little boy, that was close to my son, threw a fit because he couldnt go see him too. He still loves and misses my son, and the sad fact is, that this case here has tore them apart.

When my son comes home, he will be on parole for 8 months. During that 8 months he will still not be allowed around any children under 18 except for his own sister.

Tell me where the fairness is in all of this? There were several other boys that my son was close to and NONE of them were touched. Now if my son was such a huge sex offender, then why were these boys not touched too?

I used to watch my son play with the other boys, and if the child was younger than him, he would let that child *beat him up*. If someone else was picking on that child, my son would stand up for that child.

My son was alot of things, but a sex offender wasn't one of them. You can say what you want or do what you want. But I am the one that knows him best and knows the full situation.

I am the one that knows that the two women that conspired against my son, wanted to hurt me. I am also the one that knows that this isnt the first time they have tried to do things against me. And they still continue to do so.

The really sad part of this is, that not only did it affect me and my son. But it affected my son's other brothers and sisters, it affected my son's family that couldnt see him all these years. It affected my mother big time and sadly she died before she ever saw her grandson free again. It affected my son's cousin who cannot see him due to their ages and they cry all the time that they wanna see him. It affected the children that my son was raised around.


And last but not least, it tore a family apart.

So you tell me, is this worth posting and fighting against it happening to someone else? Or is it better to keep our mouths shut and just say oh well it happens?

Our answer was to protect hopefully another child someday!

 

[jillio]

Do you think your son appreciates his story being told on-line? Did you ask him if it was okay?

Why would her son object? He hasn't done anything wrong. The wrong has been done to him. He has nothing to hide, and neither does Bear.

 

[jillio]

For your information, yes I did. He agrees with me that such injustices need to be brought to life. He told me in his own words, he wouldnt mind so much suffering all these years as he did in the system, if something good can come out of it.

I warned him that there could be backlash from it. I also warned him, that if anyone close to the caswe read his story online, that things could become harder for him.

I don't do ANYTHING that would concern my kids without discussing it with them first. That includes a move, that includes buying a new car, that includes *when I was single* a new bf, and that also includes talking about them online.

Now just what kind of mother would I be, if I posted my son's story on the internet without fully discussing it with him? We discussed this for months together before I actually did it. Thus giving him time to change his mind.

My son hopes that by telling his story, that someday we may be able to save another child from going through what he did. And I say, kudos to him for being brave enough to share his story.

That is a very courageous and caring attitude for him to have. It is amazing that he can still have that attitude after everything he has been through. Just goes to show me that you have raised a wonderful son, Bear.

 

[Byrdie714]

Why would her son object? He hasn't done anything wrong. The wrong has been done to him. He has nothing to hide, and neither does Bear.

Sorry--that doesn't fly!

A 12 year old doesn't go around sexually offending others unless the 12 year was sexually offended by someone else. You can blame the other person for sexually offending the 12 year old but we still need to break the cycle of sexual abuse and thus the 12 year old got caught sexually offending.