when was deaf culture 'discovered'

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can any one tell me this?

I 'd like to know a few things:

When was it 'offically' discovered or "declared" by whom and why?

Do you agree it was conjured for political reasons?

and if so , what are the political objectives?

I am very confused here, I have numerous materials here, in the midst of essay writing and hopeing to get say 2 views and like to have both 'accurate'

I am aware Carol Padden and Tom Humperies were the first but when ? and why did they do so, what was the situation that pushed for that, a conference, or what was it somewhere in the 1970's after the growing awarenes of sign langauge benig a real language from William Stokoe's work?

Sorry im asking hard questions, just need some help

many thanks
Grum
 
Grummer said:
Do you agree it was conjured for political reasons?
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No. Deaf culture, like many other cultures, arose from a shared language and a shared situation of oppression. The fact of being visual people who shared a visual-spatial language combined with the sense of being patronized and marginalized by the hearing majority produced what is in the most neutral sense, Deaf culture.

Deaf culture's position in politics is an entirely separate conversation from the sociolinguistic aspect.

I don't believe there was a specific date on which Deaf culture was "discovered" as in "in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue" but I'll leave that to the historians to prove me wrong.
 
I think Interpretator clarified most of that... I don't know much about its initiation but, like any culture, it doesn't just begin with a BANG. But I do know that an important movement that raised lots of awareness and probably had a major impact on Deaf Culture would have to be DPN of course
 
I don't actually know when the Deaf Culture started but to my way of thinking that maybe it started way early probably in the late 1880 or at the turn of the century of 1900 when the French and the English brought the English Sign Language and the French Sign Language to the United States and Canada that was before we have ASL in 1960 or 1970 eras. Funny thing is that every State in the United States have different method of sign languages like for example I learn to use English Sign Language in Minnesota only. When I went to different state like Iowa they have different English Sign Language. I get confuse what they are saying. I realize that they have their own Deaf Culture for each State. I don't know much about Canada past like English and French Sign Language which might be a little bit different than United States. The Deaf Culture is a way to have our own ASL and being in the deaf community without using the voice. We can use the mouth movement while we sign or not use the mouth movement at all while we sign, doesn't matter. We socialize a lot and just love to be with the deaf people to communicate. We can go to deaf events like National Association for the Deaf or have a Deaf Clubs or go to the Deaf Camps like motor homes or tents. I don't think it is not a political reason, but sometime we have to take a stand and use our voice to protest for the hearing authority to stop putting us on oral instead of sign language. That is forcing us like we don't have a choice and we don't like that at all. Trying to speak and lipread is the hardest way for us to deal with. The hearing authority does not understand what is like to be deaf. We just want be happy to sign instead of speaking out loud with a funny voice that everyone can make fun of and trying to lipread which is not one hundred percent accurate. We make mistake on what the person say when we lipread. We like the visual sign language much better. Also we like being in the Deaf Culture much better and that is a comfort for us. Nobody can change us trying to be like the hearing people including the Cochlear Implant which is a no-no. No surgery on our heads. Only thing is we are puzzle why the hearing people are afraid or paranoid about us being deaf. We are not ashame of being deaf and we have to argue to them about those things that we don't want them to force us to deal with speech and lipreading. That is all I have to say.
 
I think Adam started deaf culture when he didn't "listen to", "hear" God.
 
I knew most of everything what everybody said in the replies, I don't wish to come off as arrogant or rude or demanding (maybe the latter yes - I felt and still feel I could expect better from this forum, come on everybody please)
I need More, something really sustainable. Like WHEN, or what are the earliest academic accounts or argument written (thesis) about deaf culture, and there is quite a bit of literature on the 'culture' part that doesnt describe properly about deaf way, I mean like theres some academic (and before you fall over backwards or backpeddling on me or even attack me) there are those who'd argue this WHILE at SAME time, supports deaf/Deaf people fully, just the word "culture" might not be fitting, or rather, no longer fitting, there would be a need for a new word to describe this 'culture', because culture cant just come up from being disabled.!! WHILE a lot of deaf people says/claims they are not disabled, it is a very perplexing dilemma that requires fresh answers.

Like a good example of what im trying to say is thus, perhaps we're not getting results for our various legal bodies whom meant to protect us from medicalisation or latent ignorances which seemed 'harmless' or not 'oppressive enough' (yet) against discrimination, since ''deaf culture" seemed to be 'unpenetratable' or 'not easily damaged' by hearing people's ignorance..... but it is ......

Its hard to put this to words...
 
I don't think it was really done for political reasons or anything... just something that someone (probably a psychologist) noticed out of the blue. There are always psychologists who sit around doing nothing and suddenly, they see something and think of doing research on it.

For instance, a guy sitting down and sees a black man kiss a white woman... suddenly, he begins research on interracial relationships.

In this case, someone was probably in line at a local McDonalds and noticed a deaf customer in front of him signing with someone else. When it came time for that customer's order to be made, that deaf customer started not cooperating with the hearing employee. This probably sparked a question... "Is it a culture where deaf people only cooperate with other deaf people?" ... and spawned a new culture... DEAF CULTURE! :)
 
VamPyroX said:
I don't think it was really done for political reasons or anything... just something that someone (probably a psychologist) noticed out of the blue. There are always psychologists who sit around doing nothing and suddenly, they see something and think of doing research on it.

For instance, a guy sitting down and sees a black man kiss a white woman... suddenly, he begins research on interracial relationships.

In this case, someone was probably in line at a local McDonalds and noticed a deaf customer in front of him signing with someone else. When it came time for that customer's order to be made, that deaf customer started not cooperating with the hearing employee. This probably sparked a question... "Is it a culture where deaf people only cooperate with other deaf people?" ... and spawned a new culture... DEAF CULTURE! :)
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Nah, Vampy, I think it has it's beginnings from within rather than from without.
 
psychologists DONT study cultures, not at less its not part of their discipline
 
Grummer said:
psychologists DONT study cultures, not at less its not part of their discipline
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Psychologists do study culture, but as it impacts the psychological persepctive of the individual. I have a degree in psychology, but I also completed a minor is sociology and did quite a bit of course work in anthropoplgy and liguisitics. I operate from the standpoint that culture plays a monumental role in understanding the individual, and therefore, must always be considered in assessment.

I, too, am not certain when Deaf culture was discovered, but it began to be recognized about the same time that Stokoe was doing his research on ASL.
 
jillio said:
Psychologists do study culture, but as it impacts the psychological persepctive of the individual. I have a degree in psychology, but I also completed a minor is sociology and did quite a bit of course work in anthropoplgy and liguisitics. I operate from the standpoint that culture plays a monumental role in understanding the individual, and therefore, must always be considered in assessment.

I, too, am not certain when Deaf culture was discovered, but it began to be recognized about the same time that Stokoe was doing his research on ASL.
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Wait a minute, Grummer: Now you're saying, "....when it was recognized...". It's alright to ask that, too; I thought your original question was asking when it began....

Ooops, thought I clicked on Grummer's last post....oh, well....
 
jillio said:
Psychologists do study culture, but as it impacts the psychological persepctive of the individual. I have a degree in psychology, but I also completed a minor is sociology and did quite a bit of course work in anthropoplgy and liguisitics. I operate from the standpoint that culture plays a monumental role in understanding the individual, and therefore, must always be considered in assessment.

I, too, am not certain when Deaf culture was discovered, but it began to be recognized about the same time that Stokoe was doing his research on ASL.
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Wait a minute, Grummer: Now you're saying, "....when it was recognized...". It's alright to ask that, too; I thought your original question was asking when it began....

Lol. Terpretator...

Ooops, I thought I was responding to Grummer; oh, well....sorry
 
groans, I do know it was carol padden and tom humperies made a stance that which was carried out in a domino effect through out the deaf world but not sure when or where, or by which publication were the first to announce this ?
google isnt helping much, it have its limits
 
Tousi said:
Wait a minute, Grummer: Now you're saying, "....when it was recognized...". It's alright to ask that, too; I thought your original question was asking when it began....

Lol. Terpretator...

Ooops, I thought I was responding to Grummer; oh, well....sorry
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yes that's what I am asking
 
I am not sure what you are getting at. The deaf culture are always there, usually in large cities. As far as I know is there is a deaf culture in Paris sometimes in 1700's. I am learning this from Harlan Lane's "When the Minds Hear". I don't know about offically discovered. I know that Socrates know about deaf and decided that deaf people are not quite human.

According to Roger Fouts in his "Next of Kin", Noam Chomsky decided that human gesture isn't linguistic. Washoe (the signing chimpaneze) challenged this big time. I wonder if Wahshoe played a part in the acceptence of ASL as linguistic. The report on Washoe was first published in 1969.

Politics? More like the hearing people were setting policies on deaf people like the deaf-mute are not allowed to inherit. Not allowed to marry and have children. Not allowed to take communion in the Catholic churches. Decided that Deaf people are not quite the same as human. I guess the Deaf people have been reacting to all of this.
 
ah yes I am reading "when the mind hears' right now too, very good book - outstanding research went into it, just mind-blowing. Also reading another 5other books amongst, all at once, and piles of old and new notes, bit of a night mare lol (2 weeks to go before the essay is due, its MAD MAD MAD)

yeah hmmm... politics, I am talking about involvment for fighting to make changes..... like to shouting and jumping up and down about deaf culture when think tanks and activists decide how make these political demand

speaking of famous philosophers , have you read Richard Dworkins?
 
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