Breastfeeding in public around the world

[Liebling:-)))]

It's not my "view" that breastfeeding in public in SC is legal--it's the LAW. The quote that you posted about South Carolina law was WRONG. That's not my opinion--it's fact.

What you beleive in the fact and law is your view and what Christina beleive in experience in real life is also her view, too. I beleive in share both sides between fact/law and experience is my view.

That's not what you posted the first time.

Everyone know that it's legal to have public breastfeeding in America but the problem is the people have "dirty thought" when they see mothers public breastfed their babies or give mothers "dirty look". It makes mothers uncomfortable but some mothers ignored their nasty remarks. I has no idea why you are mad for?... I created the same thread in several forums. They do not denied their knowledge about public breastfeeding in America.

You posted: "In some areas in the south (i.e. South Carolina) one can be arrested for indecent exposure "

It's not my word but pasted those word from Christina's comment about 1 year old. (see yourself in some links, I provide about the mothers arrest for public breastfeeding.)

We already know that Christina was wrong about the SC law but you still trust what she says about this, too?

I do not see anything that Christina said the word about the fact and SC law but share her knowledge and experience. Christina is not only person who shares her experience but many people from different states share their experiences, too.

It has nothing do with trust but accept her comment in neutral way because I don't have any experience like her. Should I call her liar or what?

See the example:

Eyeful of breast-feeding mom sparks outrage - Women's Health - MSNBC.com

Comments about their experiences

Message boards

I've searched and searched, and I can't find any cases in South Carolina where, "Child Protective Services will take a child away from the mother who breastfeeds beyond the age of 1 year, presumably for 'sexual abuse' reasons."
I checked the local news sources, the SC LaLeche League ( LLLofSC ), SC Breastfeeding Action Committee ( SCBAC.ORG - South Carolina Breastfeeding Action Committee ), and the web search engines.

BTW, in South Carolina "Child Protective Services" is called DSS (Department of Social Services), so I suspect this Christina doesn't know what she's talking about. Oh, and I checked the SC DSS site also.

I found the examples including fact/law and experiences: (Keep your mind that I accept both sides between the fact/law and experiences).

Chicago Woman Arrested for Breastfeeding in Public

That was the headline at least, in the New York Times. Then I read further. Apparently about 12,000 women per year (Per YEAR!!! On average!) get arrested for breastfeeding in public in the United States. Another 30,000 women per year get arrested for being "topless" under various "indecency" laws across many states in the US.

further read in those link including Breastfeeding and the Law (USA)

Chicago Woman Arrested for Breastfeeding in Public

I searched and found in google about public breastfeeding and sex abuse.

Breastfeeding Crime

Breastfeeding is now apparently a second-degree felony in Texas, or at least memorializing such an event in a family photo.

Two children were taken away from their parents after a photo of a 12-month-old baby with his lips on his mother's nipple was developed at a local drug store and then reported to authorities by the shop's clerk. No experts were consulted, no evaluations were made, the children were simply whisked away and the parents charged with the second-degree felony of "sexual performance of a minor."

Further read in those link

Breastfeeding a Crime?

Breastfeeding in Public: State by State Breaking Down of the Laws
Breastfeeding in Public: State by State Breaking Down of the Laws - Associated Content

does anyone else NOT appreciate the concept of breastfeeding-protection laws?
does anyone else NOT appreciate the concept of breastfeeding-protection laws? - MotheringDotCommune Forums

Law stops mum from breast feeding (In England)
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Norfolk | Law stops mum from breast feeding

Public Breastfeeding Laws
Public Breastfeeding Laws

May 21, 2006, 10:12 AM CT

How accommodating is our society to women who breastfeed?

Eventhough the act of breastfeeding is not "illegal," women in various parts of the U.S. can be arrested for "public indecency" when breastfeeding their baby in public. As of November 2005, 12 states and Washington, DC had not enacted at least some kind of law regarding breastfeeding.

Archives of pediatric news blog from medicineworld.org

Things I like Thursday: Activism - liberating omoni

Interesting debate in other forum
Should women have the right to breastfeed in public (regardless of level of discretion used)?
** POLL ADDED** Should women have the "right" to breastfeed in public? - SlickDeals.net Forums

New law will allow public breast-feeding
Mothers may soon legally breast-feed their babies anywhere they want in Kentucky.
New law will allow public breast-feeding - Topix

Parent trap
The parent trap

1-Hour Arrest
When does a snapshot of a mother breast-feeding her child become kiddie porn? Ask the Richardson police
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2003-04-17/news/1-hour-arrest/print

One Hour Photo

It's possible someone might try to accuse a mom of sex abuse through nursing during a messy divorce or some other dispute just to make trouble. But I can't find any reports of it happening in SC. If you have such a report, I would like to know about it so I can find out what happened.

I thought you don't like to see false and misleading assumptions but the fact like what you said in other threads? I would not accuse you for that but view your post as your suggestion post, not false/misleading assumption post like what you did accused me in some threads.

Anyway, I re-read Christina's comment after read your suggestion post. I do not see anything but she stated in general way what she know from her experience. Her description about America's culture is common in most websites and several forums like I provided some links here.


All what I want to say is I am glad to know that US Government set the law to have public breastfeeding to be legal to protect mother rights then they won't be treat as crime.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

NATURAL BREAST-FEEDING:
LOVEMAKING BETWEEN MOTHER & HER BABY

Woman Thou Art God: Natural Breast-Feeding: Lovemaking Between Mother & Her Baby

History of breastfeeding
History of breastfeeding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Reba]

What you beleive in the fact and law is your view and what Christina beleive in experience in real life is also her view, too. I beleive in share both sides between fact/law and experience is my view.

The law is the state LAW, not a viewpoint. It's a real, factual law, not just something I "believe." Do you know the difference between a law and a viewpoint? Apparently not.

... I has no idea why you are mad for?...

I'm mad because you made a false statement about my state without checking the facts first.

It's not my word but pasted those word from Christina's comment about 1 year old. (see yourself in some links, I provide about the mothers arrest for public breastfeeding.)

And those links are NOT about DSS in SC, are they?

I do not see anything that Christina said the word about the fact and SC law but share her knowledge and experience. Christina is not only person who shares her experience but many people from different states share their experiences, too.

It has nothing do with trust but accept her comment in neutral way because I don't have any experience like her. Should I call her liar or what?

You don't have to call her anything. Just acknowledge that her quotation was inaccurate and outdated. The SC law is the most recent change, and is a fact, not an opinion.

It's interesting how you accept the unsubstantiated opinion of an unknown person on the internet but you don't accept the official government link that shows the actual LAW.

All what I want to say is I am glad to know that US Government set the law to have public breastfeeding to be legal to protect mother rights then they won't be treat as crime.

It's not a Federal law; it's a State law. You quoted Christina's comment about South Carolina, so I gave you the law for South Carolina only. Each state passes its own laws.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

The law is the state LAW, not a viewpoint. It's a real, factual law, not just something I "believe." Do you know the difference between a law and a viewpoint? Apparently not.

You don't understand what I am talking about. Perhap you don't want to understand.

Again, you BELEIVE in search the fact/law before post instead of share your views of the experiences or listen/support other's experiences is your POV.

Christina is not interesting to search the fact/law since she know about the fact/law but she beleive in share her experience with anyone is her view.

I accept both the fact/law and experiences because I like to find out... Unfortunlately I often see that the fact/law are being ignored.

Did you know that the people had bad or good experiences in their life when the fact/law are being ignored?

I'm mad because you made a false statement about my state without checking the facts first.

Me? I provided the link simple and pasted part of Christina's comment with a simple question. It's about one year old and sex abuse, not your hometown. You provided the link of fact/law about your hometown. I simple questioned you about the age limit. A simple question with no critizing...

If you complaint about false statement about your hometown then quote Christina's post yourself, not me.

And those links are NOT about DSS in SC, are they?

wow, you don't care what and how the mothers from different states and England had through but care about your hometown...

You don't have to call her anything.

Thank you! It's not my type to prove the people the wrong or whatever or critizing/belittle them but respect them.

Just acknowledge that her quotation was inaccurate and outdated.

If you know much about your hometown then you have to correct her, not me. I am not here to talk about your hometown but sex abuse issue in her post.

The SC law is the most recent change, and is a fact, not an opinion.

For your information, I only pasted part of Christina's link to question you all about one year old and sex abuse, not your hometown.

It's interesting how you accept the unsubstantiated opinion of an unknown person on the internet but you don't accept the official government link that shows the actual LAW.

I accept BOTH sides on law/fact and people's experiences. It's the people who had through, not you and me.

Again, Did you know that the fact/law are being ingored when the people had through bad experience?

Should I accept the share of your experience about your car problem or computer problem instead of prove you the fact/law with link because of unsubstantiated opinion (accord your own word)?

It's not a Federal law; it's a State law.

It's my bad habit to post "US Government"... I should post some US Governor of each states instead of US Government.

You quoted Christina's comment about South Carolina, so I gave you the law for South Carolina only.

Again, Its about one year old and sex abuse, not SC, I quoted her comment. I accept the fact/law what you gave me and questioned you about age limit.

Each state passes its own laws.

Yes I aware.

 

[Reba]

Again, you BELEIVE in search the fact/law before post instead of share your views of the experiences or listen/support other's experiences is your POV.

Of course. I don't want to spread rumors or give out false information if I can help it.

Christina is not interesting to search the fact/law since she know about the fact/law but she beleive in share her experience with anyone is her view.

She can't defend herself here, so I'm not even going to speculate what her motives are. That's not fair.

Did you know that the people had bad or good experiences in their life when the fact/law are being ignored?

I never denied that the law could be ignored. I deny that public breastfeeding in South Carolina is illegal.

Me? I provided the link simple and pasted part of Christina's comment with a simple question. It's about one year old and sex abuse, not your hometown. You provided the link of fact/law about your hometown. I simple questioned you about the age limit. A simple question with no critizing...

OK, you asked a question and I answered it. It's not illegal in South Carolina (which is a state, not a town).

wow, you don't care what and how the mothers from different states and England had through but care about your hometown...

I never said that. You must be dreaming. I posted my state's law because your quote specifically said "South Carolina"--it didn't say "England".

Thank you! It's not my type to prove the people the wrong or whatever or critizing/belittle them but respect them.

By posting an allegation that you didn't bother to verify you belittled the people of South Carolina. I merely defended them by posting the truth. How is posting the truth "belittling"? Should I just let anyone tell lies about my state, and shut up?

If you know much about your hometown then you have to correct her, not me. I am not here to talk about your hometown but sex abuse issue in her post.

I didn't correct her or your. I corrected the information. Don't take everything so personally. My only criticism (if any) is that people should check their facts before they post them. Rumor mongering is not nice.

BTW, South Carolina is state, not my hometown.

I accept BOTH sides on law/fact and people's experiences. It's the people who had through, not you and me.

Except that wasn't even Christina's personal experience that she was talking about. She was talking about other people, not her experience. She didn't say that it happened to her in SC.

Again, Did you know that the fact/law are being ingored when the people had through bad experience?

Please be specific about which one you are referring, then I can answer.

Should I accept the share of your experience about your car problem or computer problem instead of prove you the fact/law with link because of unsubstantiated opinion (accord your own word)?

If you have proof that something I post is inaccurate, then post it.

Also, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

If my car gets a flat tire, that's a fact. If I say it's because it's defective, that's just an opinion until an expert verifies it. If an expert verifies that the tire was defective, then it becomes a fact. If the expert proves it wasn't defective, then my opinion was wrong.

It's my bad habit to post "US Government"... I should post some US Governor of each states instead of US Government.

OK. No problem.

 

[morbid-mongoose]

I did prefer to do it in private because it was a speical time with just me and my kids, however, I had no problem doing it in public and didn't give a crap what other people thougth. If my children needed to eat, they ate. If you don't like it, don't look!!!!

Exactly.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Of course. I don't want to spread rumors or give out false information if I can help it.

Yes I can understand that we correct the rumor what we know but I can't do anything to against the people who speak out of their own experiences.

She can't defend herself here, so I'm not even going to speculate what her motives are. That's not fair.

Okay, many comments in those link - they can quote to correct her but they doesn't because she did not state about the fact and law but experiences. I am sure that they would quote to correct her if she speak the law and fact.

I never denied that the law could be ignored. I deny that public breastfeeding in South Carolina is illegal.

OK, you asked a question and I answered it. It's not illegal in South Carolina (which is a state, not a town).

Understood and acceptance.

I never said that. You must be dreaming. I posted my state's law because your quote specifically said "South Carolina"--it didn't say "England".

You quoted part of my post
Liebling's post
It's not my word but pasted those word from Christina's comment about 1 year old. (see yourself in some links, I provide about the mothers arrest for public breastfeeding.)

Your response...

Reba's post
And those links are NOT about DSS in SC, are they?

Remember, I stated in my previous posts that it's not SC, I am referring to but one year old and sex abuse... and then provided the links over mother's arrest for public breastfeeding in different states and also in England, too. All what you said is "those links is not about DSS in SC". I really don't care which exact states but care about mother's arrest for public breastfeeding, sex abuse, etc.

By posting an allegation that you didn't bother to verify you belittled the people of South Carolina. I merely defended them by posting the truth. How is posting the truth "belittling"? Should I just let anyone tell lies about my state, and shut up?

You can correct about the fact and law about your state. It's not forbid but I don't like that you accused me for a false statement that's because I pasted someone's comment from link, I provided in my first thread over here to ask you all the questions over one year and sex abuse but I really never thought about which state but just America. Next time I will remove the state and add XXXX or USA before pasted here.

I didn't correct her or your. I corrected the information. Don't take everything so personally. My only criticism (if any) is that people should check their facts before they post them. Rumor mongering is not nice.

No, I do not take it personally but you. You are upset and accused me for a false statement. I do not intend to tell you all about your state but question about one year old and sex abuse.

BTW, South Carolina is state, not my hometown.

Okay, thank you for let me know that SC is your state, not your hometown.

Except that wasn't even Christina's personal experience that she was talking about. She was talking about other people, not her experience. She didn't say that it happened to her in SC.

Yes, that's right. I guess it could be that she collect the experience from someone else or read the magazine or whatever.

Please be specific about which one you are referring, then I can answer.

You already answered: "I never denied that the law could be ignored. I deny that public breastfeeding in South Carolina is illegal"

If you have proof that something I post is inaccurate, then post it.

It's not my type to prove you the wrong or belittle you or embarrass or humliate you public with links when you share out of your experience.

All what I do is suggest you something like that "search the link if you are sure it's accurate or not." or "Are you sure that it's accurate"? "You would say... Oh yes, can you please get link for me because I can't find it." Something like that.

Also, there is a difference between facts and opinions.

Yes, that's right.

It's people's experience, I am referring to, not facts or opinion.

If my car gets a flat tire, that's a fact. If I say it's because it's defective, that's just an opinion until an expert verifies it. If an expert verifies that the tire was defective, then it becomes a fact. If the expert proves it wasn't defective, then my opinion was wrong.

Okay, let me share the example:

If my car gets a flat tire and stress with an expert is my own experience and said that an expert is an unfriendly and bad service is my opinion and know the law and rights is the fact.

 

[R2D2]

Thanks for raising this subject Liebling. I breastfed my daughter until 17 months and breastfed in public, albeit with discretion so as not to be glaringly obvious. I've breastfed in planes, shopping mall foodcourts and all sorts of public places. I've never had any problems with anyone getting offended. I don't see why women should have to be shut away or put up with a howling, hungry baby.

I also breastfed on demand until 6 months. I think that's controversial too!

 

[Aleser]

I think breastfeeding in public, provided she drapes a blanket/towel over herself (or unbuttons her shirt from the bottom-up, thus covering herself while providing room for baby) is perfectly normal. It's no more rude than whipping out a baby bottle while doing.. whatever. It's only the fact that society has made breasts, feeding tools, into breasts, sex objects that causes people to cringe. It's perfectly natural.

 

[Angel]

Honestly, it never really bothers me when I see mothers breast-feeding their babies in public places and I still don't understand why some people have a problem with mothers nursing their babies while out in public places...It’s clear that some people really do have an issue with it, but I just don’t understand the problem, if it really bothers some people then don’t stare, problem solved!!!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Honestly, it never really bothers me when I see mothers breast-feeding their babies in public places and I still don't understand why some people have a problem with mothers nursing their babies while out in public places...It’s clear that some people really do have an issue with it, but I just don’t understand the problem, if it really bothers some people then don’t stare, problem solved!!!

yeah I know...

 

[Maria]

Honestly, it never really bothers me when I see mothers breast-feeding their babies in public places and I still don't understand why some people have a problem with mothers nursing their babies while out in public places...It’s clear that some people really do have an issue with it, but I just don’t understand the problem, if it really bothers some people then don’t stare, problem solved!!!

Have you ever breast-fed your kids in public places before ?

 

[Angel]

Have you ever breast-fed your kids in public places before ?

no cause I didn't breastfed them..

 

[CorasMama]

I breastfed my Cora until she weaned herself at age 2.5 and I had no problem with nursing her in public. I never covered up with a blanket or anything, because she hated it. Who wants to eat with a blanket over their head? I only had one problem, one mall security guard came up to me and told me wouldn't I be more comfortable in the bathroom? I just said, no I wouldn't be more comfortable, but if you would be more comfortable eating your lunch in the bathroom, I think it's over there --> !

Nearly every state has some sort of protection for breastfeeding in public. It is not indecent exposure, and frankly shows less breast than many ads we see posted larger than life all over.

 

[GarnetTigerMom]

I am with Joile all the way,, I do agree breast feeding is best for babies and I do breast feed my daughter since it healthly and richer than powered formula. If I have to feed my daugther in public or any place else,, I would use a blanket over my shoulder to feed my child. If people don't like mothers breast feeding their babies,, then don't complain to us. Our children comes first.

 

[fredfam1]

Cool Shirts

Have you guys seen the cool shirts that are designed for breast feeding?
They open up the sides with flaps and you can't even tell what the little
guy is doing under there!

Wish they had those when my guys were little! Just a blanket for me.
On my third kid I was pretty much, feed whenever where ever. But by
the time my 7nth got here I didn't care who was watching!

The cutest thing I ever saw was at my doctors office where a mom with
15 month old twins were running around the office and they got hungry.
The mom had a big baggy shirt on and was sitting on a chair. One child
came up to her on her left and the other on her right. Under the shirt
they went! They nursed for about 10 mins and came out from under the
shirt and went back to running around the room! The mom didn't miss
a beat in her conversation with her friend.

 

[CatoCooper13]

Breastfeeding is a natural thing - I don't see anyone complaining about animals breastfeeding THEIR brood...are there anyone complaining about that? No difference for human female beings breastfeeding their babies when they're hungry. When they're hungry, they're hungry..feed them, don't delay, that's not cool. You know?

 

[lovezebras]

I dislike when mothers breastfeed in public, I just think that should be done in a private room or something like that...not in public

 

[morbid-mongoose]

Eyeful of breast-feeding mom sparks outrage - Women's Health - MSNBC.com

Aww, I thought that magazine cover was adorable.

 

[fredfam1]

Aww, I thought that magazine cover was adorable.

Agreement! I have photos of breastfeeding all my babies and my husband
took them. He is normally very prudish about even naked baby pics but
he thinks these are precious. As do I. Nursing is wonderful!