See this. It s a perfect example!

[jillio]

How can you make an informed decision about whether to CI or not a young baby, then ?????

You simply CAN NOT.
Not wanting to know is not an excuse if you participate in disussion that weighs pro and cons of early implantation.

You either know and understand the impact of early and late implantation, or you don't, and that is your choice, but if you don't care/ don't know about it you shouldn't discuss pro and con of implanting little babies.



It could be, for instance, implanting an older child who is past language development.

Fuzzy

Shel is extremely well informed regarding all of the implications regarding CI, and not simply the variables affecting level of hearing provided by the devise. You are concentrating on one aspect only; shel ont he other hand has a more holistic approach in her understanding. Not, does she make decisions regarding the implant decision. She has a personal opinion based on the audiological, sociological, linguistic, and educational implications of implantation. You would do well to avail yourself of her extensive knowledge in order to become more well informed yourself.

Based on the last bolded statement, your reasoning would lead to not implanting a child at a later point even though they could be provided some auditory gain. Ot what about the many, many deaf adults who have been implanted well past childhood from a developmental and chronological base? Should we refuse to implant them, as well? They do not have the opportunity to gain as much froma CI regarding the acquisistion of langauge as does a baby. Should the fact that they will not achieve linguistic gains, but could possible achieve a great degree of auditory gain be used as a reason to deny impantation? The fact of the matter is, CI is a devise used to enhance auditory function period. And CI alone has failed to improve the educational functioning and the liguistic functioning of untold numbers of deaf children. You must look at all of the issues. And for those children who have not been able to function on an oral basis, despite their CIs, what is it that you would propose we do with them?

 

[jillio]

You didn't upset me

but it seems like we are talking about totally different things.
I was talking about the fact how some parents make uniformed decisions when it comes to CI.
Just by saying "let the child decide" they show how much or rather how little they understand about early implanation.
You, in your reply reffer to being acceptant of other people's views. That is not what I am talking about. This is a whole different "pair of shoes".

Fuzzy

I take great offense to that statement. I will compare my knowledge regarding implantation and all of the issues that are involved with yours anytime. I am one of those parents who chose to focus on a bilingual bicultural approach and have raised a well educted, high functioning child to adulthood without a CI. My decision not to implant, and to allow my son to decide for himself if he needed such a devise in order to function completely and well. And my decision to do so was not based on a lack of information, but rather on all of the information available regarding not just his hearing, but his education, his socialization, his linguistic needs, and the various manners of compensating for his lack of auditory function. Perhaps, if you had all of that inforamtion available to you, you would be able to see things fromthe wider perspective that is necessary if youwant to call yourself truly informed.

 

[jillio]

If I ever saw BULLLSHIIIT this is it:



Somebody forgot to take her medication....

Fuzzy

Perhaps if you were as well informed as you believe yourself to be, you would be able to respond to a post from an intellectual postion, rather than from a sacastic, childish one that resorts to attacks onthe person rather than refutation of the postion.

 

[jillio]

And you are suprised that you get banned at times???
Man, I hope DeafNotes will be up and running again...

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I have explained quite a lot of times (over the last 2 years) how Ci works.
Either you just don't get it (and some people can't help that... that's OK) or jou are willingfully spreading wrong information..

Try to learn something Sweetmind... instead of just posting the words "audist", "bullshit" and "scoffs".

And others have explained to you the way that the brain functions when processing linguistic information, as well as the social and educational implications of an oral only environment. HOW the CI works from a mechanical standpoint has nothing todo with these issues. You still appear to be incapable of understanding that. Is it because you are simply want to spread misinformation?

 

[jillio]

Finally, back on Topic..

I'm all ears!!

No, you are all eyes, unless you are using a screen reader for these posts. See cloggy, difference between taking in inofrmation visually as opposed to aduitorily. Obviously, you don't get it. Your focus is on the ears, and don't even realize when you are not using your own.

 

[neecy]

Perhaps if you were as well informed as you believe yourself to be, you would be able to respond to a post from an intellectual postion, rather than from a sacastic, childish one that resorts to attacks onthe person rather than refutation of the postion.

The problem is, fuzzy KNOWS Sweetmind from the previous times when she's been banned for this kind of behavior.

For example, just HOW does one respond to the kind of ignorance she posts anyway? She STILL thinks, after years of people trying to explain to her, that CI's and HA's are the same thing and work the same way. Try to explain, and you'll be called her favorite insult - an AUDIST.

 

[neecy]

No, you are all eyes, unless you are using a screen reader for these posts. See cloggy, difference between taking in inofrmation visually as opposed to aduitorily. Obviously, you don't get it. Your focus is on the ears, and don't even realize when you are not using your own.

Oh PLEASE!! Are you resorting to trying to find something, ANYTHING to argue about simply in order to have something to say? This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read - and that's saying a lot, considering who originally started this thread!

 

[jillio]

The problem is, fuzzy KNOWS Sweetmind from the previous times when she's been banned for this kind of behavior.

For example, just HOW does one respond to the kind of ignorance she posts anyway? She STILL thinks, after years of people trying to explain to her, that CI's and HA's are the same thing and work the same way. Try to explain, and you'll be called her favorite insult - an AUDIST.

I don't see it. Sweetmind has a very clear understanding of the difference between HA and CI. And she also has a clear understanding of the social and educational implications. Perhaps you are too quick to ignore the message just because you don't like the messenger.

 

[jillio]

Oh PLEASE!! Are you resorting to trying to find something, ANYTHING to argue about simply in order to have something to say? This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read - and that's saying a lot, considering who originally started this thread!

I wasn't arguing. Simply pointing out the obvious. And, for cloggy to say he is all "ears" when he is not receiving the message through auditory channels is a bit ridiculas. Unless, of course, you can point out to me how one reads with one's ears.

 

[neecy]

I guess you've never heard of idioms before, jillio. "I'm all ears" means that he's ready to hear/read/receive whatever information is going to be provided. Look it up, it has nothing to do with what you are turning it into!

as per:

Go ahead -- tell me," your friend says. "I'm all ears." But of course you don't expect to see ears sprouting all over your friend's body! You know that "I'm all ears" means "I'm ready to listen."

An expression like this is called an idiom or a figure of speech. We know many idioms so well that we don't even stop to think of the literal meaning of the words. But imagine not knowing English very well and using a dictionary to translate idioms like "I put my foot in my mouth," "Knock yourself out," and "He's in a real bind."

 

[jillio]

I guess you've never heard of idioms before, jillio. "I'm all ears" means that he's ready to hear/read/receive whatever information is going to be provided. Look it up, it has nothing to do with what you are turning it into!

I know very well what an idiom is, thank you. And that particular idiom has strong audist origins. Ever see a deaf person sign, "I'm all ears" to say that they are ready to receive information? An audist attidue shows up in very subltle ways....this particular idiom is one of them.

 

[Tousi]

Finally, back on Topic..

I'm all ears!!

Lol, I was kidding about that, of course, just to make a point. I hope y'all know that.

 

[Sweetmind]

I know very well what an idiom is, thank you. And that particular idiom has strong audist origins. Ever see a deaf person sign, "I'm all ears" to say that they are ready to receive information? An audist attidue shows up in very subltle ways....this particular idiom is one of them.

Jillo says ""I'm all ears" and Sweetmind says "I am all eyes" that is my favorite trademark quote. Hearing and Deaf people can understand each other that is very important to have a real communication for all of us.

Have a great day! while I am not because I m very sick with flu virus since past two days. However, I ll look forward to the Bright positive side that will come.


"Pure, Simple, Natural, Honest Total Communication; loving bonds between Deaf and Hearing people in this diverse world." Quote, Fact of Sweetmind's Beliefs in Natural Method: ASL. It tells you that there is "two way street" for Hearing and d/Deaf people.


Sweetmind

 

[neecy]

I know very well what an idiom is, thank you. And that particular idiom has strong audist origins. Ever see a deaf person sign, "I'm all ears" to say that they are ready to receive information? An audist attidue shows up in very subltle ways....this particular idiom is one of them.

Actually YES I HAVE!!!!! And at Deaf universities, no less!!! So now, if somebody who is Deaf uses this idiom, even if they are pro-ASL, they're secretly audists?

 

[Tousi]

Well, I use "I'm all ears/eyes" alternatively, depending on who I'm talking to.

 

[Tousi]

A legal question: Is it illegal for parents of a hearing baby to make that baby deaf?

 

[Sweetmind]

A legal question: Is it illegal for parents of a hearing baby to make that baby deaf?

Use your common sense as far as you know my answer.

 

[Tousi]

Use your common sense as far as you know my answer.

Lol, I guess IF it is illegal,doesn't that make you wonder at the irony? I did not ask you for your answer, I asked a legal guestion. Most people would know that IF it's illegal, then they'd see the irony in it. Many times you (SM) don't catch it when people agree with you on a point.

That said, I'm still curious about the legality as asked above.

 

[DeafboyOne]

I had a Dream...

I had a dream a few years ago...recurring dream. I stood in a bar..it was very noisy. My wife was at the bar ordering drinks, she turned to me and communicated in perfect sign "What do you want to drink?" I responded "The usual please...Pint of Stella?"
Then everything froze..It went really quiet..I realised people had stopped and were watching our conversation. Then they started to copy our conversation, then people came up and asked "What does this sign mean?" Soon the whole bar was "Signing" and what was weird was the "White noise- Tinnitus" in my head was gone...It was beautiful deafening silence!
That was my dream... Maybe one day the Hearing World will watch us, copy us, embrace us who knows Love us for what we are. That was my dream...

 

[Sweetmind]

Lol, I guess IF it is illegal,doesn't that make you wonder at the irony? I did not ask you for your answer, I asked a legal guestion. Most people would know that IF it's illegal, then they'd see the irony in it. Many times you (SM) don't catch it when people agree with you on a point.

That said, I'm still curious about the legality as asked above.

Here are these urls and this topic that is the point of view in the whole meanings that my Deaf eyes tells me that affects me badly. So why would you want to change any children for who they are from day one? Thats the whole point of Deaf children of the Deaf community in the Mother Nature world that sets us a real freedom of being ourselves and have a very good real communication. Thats Deaf children s rights that hasnt occurs in today as I feel it s time for someone to step their feet and being very outspoken very straightforwardly. So that's how I am an very obversant person that has a very valuable intellectual skills and positive attitude as I strongly believe that should be useful for a Deaf child. That s that!

That s the answer why hasnt it solve the problem that is a very harmful for Deaf children s boundaries to make their excuses that Deaf children can't do it without devices since Audism took over Laurent Clerc who was the first Deaf teacher at American School for the Deaf ( very good term to have the positive name of the school that Deaf children go to). So they can have their rights to feel/see their own senses of being deafness very good feeling about themselves as it should be done from day one. For petes sake! Deaf children can learn without devices that doesnt have to have a requirement law for each Deaf child as they are trying to do it nowadays that is a big MONSTER who is coming into our Deaf Community? That makes me sick to my stomach that makes me puke so much.

Thomas Gallaudet had a big faith in this Deaf man Laurent Clerc made a difference for all Deaf children after he got slapped his face by Oral Method Educators for saying it wrong . So he taught ASL in the classroom however he did used Signed English as well as it s BI BI languaages because he realized many of us do not understand the concept of English written in English rules. So ASL helps Deaf children a lot more than you think. That is that. Thats why I thanked him for what A Deaf Teacher did for our Deaf children of the Deaf community in Mother Nature world that is his own visions. I am with him all the way no matter what u tried so hard to stop me from saying it.

That s what Deaf Literacy means something good for me and Deaf children that I care about very much. Thanks!

Hugz,
Sweetmind